Who is excluded from the internet.

ShoulderChip

In research of an essay on web2.0 and having a personal presence on the internet, the topic of social exclusion came up,
who do you think is excluded from these services?

On the face of things they are much more inclusionary then exclusionary, people from all over the world are welcome to have a personal presence.

Is it just the poor and computer iliterate who are left out?

Also what is teh story with china?
do they allow their citizens to use these sites, and are they at risk in doing so?

MarkR

I'm not allowed on the internet. Oh hamburgers, someone's coming! *throws notebook out window*

MoominPapa

John Waters

rubadub

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Is it just the poor and computer iliterate who are left out?

Also what is teh story with china?
do they allow their citizens to use these sites, and are they at risk in doing so?

Free internet in public libraries. When I was in China I didnt notice any restriction, but wasnt looking up dodgy stuff.

Dave!

MoominPapa wrote: »

John Waters

Guillotine for him please.

Stephen

^ agreed.

WRT China the public does have access to the internet but it is monitored and certain sites that the Chinese authorities don't like (such as BBC News, anything to do with falun gong or free Tibet, etc) are blocked.

Susannahmia

ShoulderChip wrote: »

In research of an essay on web2.0 and having a personal presence on the internet, the topic of social exclusion came up,
who do you think is excluded from these services?

On the face of things they are much more inclusionary then exclusionary, people from all over the world are welcome to have a personal presence.

Is it just the poor and computer iliterate who are left out?

Also what is teh story with china?
do they allow their citizens to use these sites, and are they at risk in doing so?

Do yizzer own homework!:p

Heisenberg.

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Karoma

I'll leave the thread open in the hopes that the OP gets and uses answers from After Hours and fails miserably.

Yore da is excluded.

Maximilian

Amy Fitzpatrick.

MarkR

That guy who was just a head. He can't access the internet either. Very sad story. :-(

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

people without computers... which is most of the worlds population isn't it?

Terry

Web 2.0 isn't very dial-up friendly, so you could throw in some of those who still don't have access to broadband.
Web 2.0 also isn't any to to computer illiterate people.

ShoulderChip

Karoma wrote: »

I'll leave the thread open in the hopes that the OP gets and uses answers from After Hours and fails miserably.

Yore da is excluded.

Is there another forum where it would be more appropiate? humanities or tech?

Genghiz Cohen

People who are too stupid to plug in their modem.

kevmy

Noobs?

MarkR

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Is there another forum where it would be more appropiate? humanities or tech?

Go for humanities I would guess. It is for reasoned debate seemingly.

pm.

most people that live rural find it very hard and expensive to use the Internet if they can get it at all.

kodute

Oh, they have the internet on computers now?!

roughan

Gary Glitter

im_invisible

wtf is web2.0?

*too lazy to google/wiki it

Maximilian

Cats.


Just thought I would give people the opportunity to post an amusing picture

ScumLord

Stupid poor people, the best thing is it's OK to insult them here because the dumb ****s can't read or use computers.

Maximilian

Oh, and before I forget, Yore Ma.

phasers

Girls

Capt'n Midnight

im_invisible wrote: »

wtf is web2.0?

*too lazy to google/wiki it

qft

seriously apart from buzzwords wtf is it at the end of the day ??

many muslim countries restrict internet access to certain sites as do some south east asian ones
here every site you visit is recorded for years which can lead to voluntary self-censorship by users

have you seen the per MB prices for 3G / mobile phone users :eek:

Overheal

I think web 2.0 is this big dramatic increase we're seeing in media content on the web. You know, like youtube and stuff. The internet used to be the best you could hope for is porn images. Videos on old dial up used to take hours to buffer if at all. Hence the old internet was primarily a novelty and not used for anything too major. The biggest files for piracy at the time were Super Nintendo video games, and one of those still took you and hour or two to get because they were a whopping 1.5MB in size :eek:

Web 2.0 is not an 'upgrade' so to speak. The same technology that ran the net 15 years ago runs it today. But now its been built up to such a high capacity that the target user is now capable of downloading at speeds hundreds of times that of what they could previously, opening up opportunities for a richer level of content and interaction. In Web 2.0 places like boards.ie and youtube and myspace all have a place, basically.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0

patrickc

priest and benedict xvi incase they look at women

Karoma

Overheal wrote: »

I think web 2.0 is this big dramatic increase we're seeing in media content on the web. You know, like youtube and stuff. The internet used to be the best you could hope for is porn images. Videos on old dial up used to take hours to buffer if at all. Hence the old internet was primarily a novelty and not used for anything too major. The biggest files for piracy at the time were Super Nintendo video games, and one of those still took you and hour or two to get because they were a whopping 1.5MB in size :eek:

Just the transfer of information, via a good means of communication - some web pages even focused on content more than presentation. The bastards. Now, we have what? YouTube? This is the prized web 2.0? Some twunt crying that we should "leave Britney alone"?! Or numerous idiots singing karaoke in front of a webcam? That's web 2.0? To hell with that.

Web 2.0 is not an 'upgrade' so to speak.

Correct, it's a new buzzword / spin.

Who's excluded? For one: People who opt-out of having to endure this crap.
If this is an irreversible direction that we're heading towards, I'm pulling the plug and joining the Amish.



ShoulderChip: defining web 2.0 would be a good start. Go for it.

thebman

I'm surprised it took this long for someone to mention blind people and people with disabilities in general such as diseases that prevent someone from making accurate movements with the mouse. Technology is trying to get around this barrier for the different disabilities but its still there.

Unintuitive controls prevent people who are not comfortable or in other words people that don't work often with computers.

People with no broadband.

People in countries with firewalls that block certain sites.

The blocking of certain services by ISP's to restrict Internet usage by its users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality_in_the_United_States

Cost of broadband (we are one of the most expensive in Europe and the world for broadband so its likely not everyone can afford broadband in Ireland or even dial up given it can end up being more expensive as its billed by the minute)

EamonnKeane

people whose fingers are so chubby they can't type in a web address, and can't use the voice-operated ones because their mouths are full of food

AlmightyCushion

Old people because they are too busy pissing themselves and eating cat food.

andrew

Stupid people are excluded from the internet because it's too complicated to use.







I wish saying it would make it true.

Terry

andrew wrote: »

Stupid people are excluded from the internet because it's too complicated to use.







I wish saying it would make it true.

Indeed.
Didn't I once ban you from AH for extreme stupidity?

Nehpets

Stevie Wonder

andrew

Terry wrote: »

Indeed.
Didn't I once ban you from AH for extreme stupidity?

That was more of a 'misjudgement' than extreme stupidity i prefer to think. Thanks for the unban btw.

Overheal

No more andrew, no more: Terry we miss you modding under the influence

ScumLord

Terry wrote: »

Indeed.
Didn't I once ban you from AH for extreme stupidity?

Any regrets? Like Superman had when he lost his powers and got he's ass kicked by a hillbilly.

Kernel32

Overheal wrote: »

I think web 2.0 is this big dramatic increase we're seeing in media content on the web. You know, like youtube and stuff. The internet used to be the best you could hope for is porn images. Videos on old dial up used to take hours to buffer if at all. Hence the old internet was primarily a novelty and not used for anything too major. The biggest files for piracy at the time were Super Nintendo video games, and one of those still took you and hour or two to get because they were a whopping 1.5MB in size :eek:

Web 2.0 is not an 'upgrade' so to speak. The same technology that ran the net 15 years ago runs it today. But now its been built up to such a high capacity that the target user is now capable of downloading at speeds hundreds of times that of what they could previously, opening up opportunities for a richer level of content and interaction. In Web 2.0 places like boards.ie and youtube and myspace all have a place, basically.

Your mixing up the Internet with the world wide web. The Internet is the infrastructure, the network, the fibre. The world wide web is a use of that. There has been plenty of Internet infrastructure for a long time that has remained idle.

The so called Web 2.0 is the move from a mainly static world wide web to a more interactive world wide web. Wiki's, social networking sites(Facebook, Bebo) which use technologies such as AJAX as part of their user experience are all touted as Web 2.0. From a business perspective it is the use of the web as a platform, web services, RSS feeds etc. The next iteration of this is computing in the cloud and storage in the cloud, which will be called Web 3.0. Amazon is leading the field in this right now with it's Amazon Elastic Computing Cloud. Google won't be far behind, followed by Oracle, EMC and Red Hat.

What I have found annoying is the push in the business world and in various publications that businesses must embrace social networking because all their new employees will have grown up using it. It's an idea that will grow and eventually die just like the dot com's that extrapolated their possible user base using the number of users on the Internet, became way over valued and eventually withered on the vine. Just because a bunch of pampered college grads use something to keep in touch with their best friends forever and publish every boring detail of their life doesn't make it a viable business tool.

As for exclusion from the web, poverty is the number one issue. I don't mean poor people as defined in the western world. I mean real poverty. The One Laptop Per Child is a good program that is trying to correct the balance just a bit, OLPC and I support the effort.

roy123456789

Very old people

Overheal

When was the last time anyone was in a public chat room?

RonMexico

People who haven't figured out how to change the channel on the microwave

ejmaztec

Convicted hackers who break into US Defence Dep't computers and start WW3, so that George W can't take all the credit.