E-mail and chat data to be stored 'within a month'

casey212

cance wrote: »

if you believe there is some magic way to access tar's hard drive thats wonderful, but he has not told you where it is or what function it is providing. for all we know it could be buried in cement in a safe in a super secret location.

So stupid blanket statements like "microsofts indian super duper hacker dude says he can fiddle with my hard drive from across the world without my permission and reads my cyberseks chat logs" are null and void. working in Ip and security i am fully aware of what can/can't be logged and what can/cant be done. but without specifics anything is both possible and impossible at the same time.

What do you want a discourse on computer hacking?

My issue is with privacy. As it appears here, no one else shares similar views.

brow_601

Terry wrote: »

I think you need to take the red pill and wake up to reality.

Big brother isn't watching you.

he's one of them!


of course they are

Dennis the Stone

I was watching Terry for a few hours this morning. He just made around forty sandwiches, took one tiny bite out of each one and then threw them all away

casey212

Kemos wrote: »

I was watching Terry for a few hours this morning. He just made around forty sandwiches, took one tiny bite out of each one and then threw them all away

Is that right, well he does not seem to mind. Just so long as you have no idea what I done this morning.

Dennis the Stone

casey212 wrote: »

Is that right, well he does not seem to mind. Just so long as you have no idea what I done this morning.

Crack one off watching Murder She Wrote?

Tar.Aldarion

It wasn't reading Eats, Shoots & Leaves anyway. :P

humanji

Kemos wrote: »

Crack one off watching Murder She Wrote?

lol, spilt my coffee with that one

faceman

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Who is holding this information? How secure is it? What will it be used for? Everyone has private information that they'd rather not let other people know, and that could be used against you for leverage. A list of everyone you emailed, chatted with, called, and also information on everywhere you go if information from celluar networks is also stored. It's very much Big Brother territory here. And these databases are generally very poorly secured. The UK recently lost information on 25 million people from their social welfare system.

im with you 100% with your post. However my original point was pertaining to (and not directly relating at the poster who i originally quoted), why people with nothing to hide would have nothing to hide.

e.g. a 16 year old called paddygreenlips42 chatting to his mate yoyojockies89 over msn about the previous night's episode of Lost, doesnt really have to be worried about his personal details going astray.

Overheal

Even assuming the EU database housing all of this information and the people running it are legitimate, that will not ensure the security of your private data. With a monitoring system that plugged in to the internet - its a giant hack target.

On top of that we have no real guarantee that they aren't sniffing their noses in the content. Why else would they propose such a system if not to look at the content?

stepbar

Kemos wrote: »

Bertie is going to read it all on the toilet. Huge printouts to go through.

Could be useful for toilet roll in the dail

faceman

Overheal wrote: »

Even assuming the EU database housing all of this information and the people running it are legitimate, that will not ensure the security of your private data. With a monitoring system that plugged in to the internet - its a giant hack target.

On top of that we have no real guarantee that they aren't sniffing their noses in the content. Why else would they propose such a system if not to look at the content?

to play devil's advocate (as i do have similar concerns), the same argument can be made for your private details which are held by the Irish Government and indeed, the bank and other private firms.

Credit card companies know and monitor your spending habits. (the monitoring is used as part of their anti fraud policies)

mobile operators know your calling habits and how to price you best.

The tv service providers know what tv shows and what naughty stations you watch.

The data protection act is there to protect consumers. Granted some protection is more on a reactive level. (when that wan from limerick won the euromillions (Cant think of her name), the Revenue disciplined a number of staff who looked up her personal records when she won)

Eric Cartman

i shall be severley encrypting what i send over the internet, messages and IM arent of concern but there arre some items ihave sent in the past which i would preffer not being seen by others

Elessar

Someone please explain how to browse and otherwise use the internet completely anonymously.

Rob_l

Elessar wrote: »

Someone please explain how to browse and otherwise use the internet completely anonymously.

use a proxy avoidance site

so type into google proxy avoidance

http://www.google.ie/search?q=proxy+avoidance+sites&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enIE239IE239&aq=t

ScumLord

Elessar wrote: »

Someone please explain how to browse and otherwise use the internet completely anonymously.

fake mustache, big glasses and an overcoat.

Zillah

ISPAI? I spy? Oh come on...

Rob_l

ScumLord wrote: »

fake mustache, big glasses and an overcoat.

finally some good advise on the internet

gerky

I'm pretty much along the same lines as monkeyfudge on this.

But I hate when people say (well if your not doing anything wrong you shouldn't mind)thats not the point theres a huge amount of stuff we do that theres nothing wrong with it doesn't mean we should be alright with it being logged.

Elessar

Rob_l wrote: »

use a proxy avoidance site

so type into google proxy avoidance

http://www.google.ie/search?q=proxy+avoidance+sites&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enIE239IE239&aq=t

Thought this stuff was not quite as anonymous as people thought.

Rob_l

Elessar wrote: »

Thought this stuff was not quite as anonymous as people thought.

I dont know I am not doing any thing illegal so am not worried about who is spying on my surfing habits if you are worried about it
why?
and what are you doing?

Elessar

Rob_l wrote: »

I dont know I am not doing any thing illegal so am not worried about who is spying on my surfing habits if you are worried about it
why?
and what are you doing?

If I told you I'd have to kill you.

I wanted to know if it really is actually possible. Because as far as I know, it isnt.

casey212

That same old "if you have nothing to hide..." rubbish.

Give it a break. Most of you have no idea what this is leading too.

Terry

casey212 wrote: »

You have lost all your self preservation instincts. The age old response "what, have you something to hide?" is madness verbalised.

Yes sire, no sire, anything else sire?

When did people lose their backbone to this extent.

People didn't lose their backbone.
Most people just don't care because it really is nothing to worry about.

casey212 wrote: »

That same old "if you have nothing to hide..." rubbish.

Give it a break. Most of you have no idea what this is leading too.

Tell us, oh wise one. What is this leading to? More flouride in the drinking water to make us ever more subdued?


I know of on member here whose job it is to monitor internet usage for the company he works for and seek out those looking at kiddie porn.
In all honesty, if that's what you are using the internet for, then you should be worried. If it's for anything else, then you shouldn't really give a crap.

galwayrush

Mt posting history might have some use for some psycology department, otherwise, useless.:D

casey212

Terry wrote: »

People didn't lose their backbone.
Most people just don't care because it really is nothing to worry about.


I know of on member here whose job it is to monitor internet usage for the company he works for and seek out those looking at kiddie porn.
In all honesty, if that's what you are using the internet for, then you should be worried. If it's for anything else, then you shouldn't really give a crap.

There are always good reasons for something. However the freedom of the many must be perserved.

As for what its leading too; a totally monitored society, everything you do, everything you spend and so on. A point is reached where people must say enough is enough.

gerky

Terry wrote: »

I know of on member here whose job it is to monitor internet usage for the company he works for and seek out those looking at kiddie porn.
In all honesty, if that's what you are using the internet for, then you should be worried. If it's for anything else, then you shouldn't really give a crap.

That's not really the point though its what could happen if that information got in to the wrong hands.
Theres already been cases in this country of people getting access to info that they shouldn't have and look at all the crap going on in england.

casey212

In my opinion, there is more than meets the eye to the goings on in England.

Maybe someone can answer this:

If you lose your right to privacy, what else have you got?

Hellm0

Overheal wrote: »

Even assuming the EU database housing all of this information and the people running it are legitimate, that will not ensure the security of your private data. With a monitoring system that plugged in to the internet - its a giant hack target.

On top of that we have no real guarantee that they aren't sniffing their noses in the content. Why else would they propose such a system if not to look at the content?

++

Whilst not a conspiracy theorist, as a software engineer(and no I dont claim to be a network security specialist) I do beleive that if data is retained, it is generally retained with the intention of somebody using it. What my concern is the motives behind retaining such data and whether they are being completely honest about exactly WHAT data they are retaining. IE) sure they may not retain the contents of ALL email's/chats however perhaps there is a claus which allows them to retain data which matches certain criteria, IE text which contains certain keywords or which has been identified by datamining app's to hold some relevance to "international terrorism".

Basically I just think its best if they keep their god damn noses out of my inbox. Not because I have anything to hide but because its my right to hide it(and thats the way it should stay).

Wertz

ScumLord wrote: »

Good! I want my ramblings on the record, these whore bags can't avoid me anymore.


How come Ireland is 3 months overdue yet we're one of the first to bring it in? Saying we're way overdue should mean everyone else has it in by now. I think we should just not do it, tell the EU to get bent see how they like that.

A simple no vote in the referendum will be my comeback.

Capt'n Midnight

casey212 wrote: »

Is that so? So the person, a fairly "important" programmer for microsoft must be totally uninformed.

LOL
"good times" again

IMHO M$ haven't done any original programming and their record on security speaks for itself

NSAKEY


So they say they will record the addresses on the envelops but won't look inside them

Not to worry any traffic that goes via the US or UK (and that includes Ireland to Ireland traffic with many UK owned ISP's ) will be recorded by ECHELON anyway


And as for trackin terrorists contacts - what happens if a terrorists PC ends up in a bot net
"yes yer honour we've traced all the people he emailed, so we'll like you to sign the 156,478,312 warrants so we can start knocking on doors tomorrow"

Hellm0

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And as for trackin terrorists contacts - what happens if a terrorists PC ends up in a bot net
"yes yer honour we've traced all the people he emailed, so we'll like you to sign the 156,478,312 warrants so we can start knocking on doors tomorrow"

Or in true american fashion the half of america thats not on the list brands the other half "enemy non combatants" and sends em off to teh guantanemo bay.

Overheal

faceman wrote: »

to play devil's advocate (as i do have similar concerns), the same argument can be made for your private details which are held by the Irish Government and indeed, the bank and other private firms.

Credit card companies know and monitor your spending habits. (the monitoring is used as part of their anti fraud policies)

mobile operators know your calling habits and how to price you best.

The tv service providers know what tv shows and what naughty stations you watch.

The data protection act is there to protect consumers. Granted some protection is more on a reactive level. (when that wan from limerick won the euromillions (Cant think of her name), the Revenue disciplined a number of staff who looked up her personal records when she won)

None of which are pooling together data from all users across the EU. Now I assume each country will host its own sniffing server(s) but somewhere in the structure I assume there to be a host that can access data from all of them. Thats a target and a half. Especially an infant system.

The thing of it is, I really dont understand the purpose of this system. I can understand why Sky would wish to record my viewing activities, and Meteor might benefit from having its records (which in some cases has put a few people behind bars for the messages they have sent...) but why does the European Union need to know how often I send emails and instant messages?

eoin5

Elessar wrote: »

Someone please explain how to browse and otherwise use the internet completely anonymously.

Hack the ISP and change the records is my favourite

casey212

Overheal wrote: »

but why does the European Union need to know how often I send emails and instant messages?

Because they want to know everything about everyone. But the world is full of "good guys" willing to agree. We are constantly under the threat of "terrorism" after all.

Crazy Christ

They need to be made aware of the fact that we resent being classified as terrorists. The only way we can make them listen is to bomb the headquarters in Brussels