BBC’s ‘Ashes to Ashes’

ToniTuddle

I have never wanted two characters to just KISS already!!! arrrgghhh soo close.


*Hops over to iplayer to check out episodes*

Lord TSC

For what it's worth, I think it's meant to be Sam but I don't think that's John Simm....

tony1kenobi

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

For what it's worth, I think it's meant to be Sam but I don't think that's John Simm....

That shot has to be a flashback or dream sequence....Gene burned the jacket and even if he didn't Sam wouldn't it be wearing it 10 years later.

I think it is John Simm though.

mike65

Spoilers? I'm not looking at this thread if you're spilling details!

tony1kenobi

It's a screencap from tonights episode Mike so it's not a spoiler.

Wow. Just watched it. My head is just fried now.

Looks like its going to end back near Manchester which is apt. Maybe this cop is neither gene or Sam but perhaps a cop Sam killed and cant live with the guilt of doing so, i dunno. the cop with half a face is obviously the cop that was found in the shallow grave in Lancs in 2008, but who is it? Was Keats the man who took the photographs or was it this faced half cop?

Im hoping whatever happens it will be a finale that sums up the whole series and the plaudits it has earned over the years. to date it is one of the best shows the beeb or anyone has ever produced but i hope graham and pharaoh have done it the justice it deserves.

Great to see 'True' from the ballet get a play. Song was number 1 day i was born

tony1kenobi

tony1kenobi wrote: »

.Gene burned the jacket and even if he didn't Sam wouldn't it be wearing it 10 years later.

Maybe Gene popped down to m&s and got him another. He prob gets them for free for those ads

Basq

RichTea wrote: »

Can I just voice my utter frustration with the character of Jim Keats? I hate him. That's probably a credit to the writers for making him so bloody dastardly.

Daniel Mays has been an absolute revelation.. he's been utterly fantastic in it!

ToniTuddle wrote: »

I have never wanted two characters to just KISS already!!! arrrgghhh soo close.

Not me.. it'd just be downright silly to tack on a Gene and Alex kiss.

I don't think we'll be seeing John Simms in the finale - the person banging on the glass certainly looks like John Simms but I don't think it's him.

I don't think Sam is hiding out in the farmhouse.. I do reckon that the cop with half-a-face either lived there, was murdered there or buried there.

Here's hoping they can wrap up the series with a satisfying conclusion that pleases fans.. I do think this will be a difficult task.

Still, the best season of 'Ashes to Ashes' by FAR!

Melia

tony1kenobi wrote: »

It's a screencap from tonights episode Mike so it's not a spoiler.

No, it wasn't from last night's episode, it was from the preview of next week's episode, which I deliberately did not watch because I didn't want it spoiled

basquille wrote: »

Daniel Mays has been an absolute revelation.. he's been utterly fantastic in it!


Not me.. it'd just be downright silly to tack on a Gene and Alex kiss.

I don't think we'll be seeing John Simms in the finale - the person banging on the glass certainly looks like John Simms but I don't think it's him.

I don't think Sam is hiding out in the farmhouse.. I do reckon that the cop with half-a-face either lived there, was murdered there or buried there.

Here's hoping they can wrap up the series with a satisfying conclusion that pleases fans.. I do think this will be a difficult task.

Still, the best season of 'Ashes to Ashes' by FAR!

Agree that Daniel Mays is fantastic.

Hugely disagree that a Gene/Alex kiss would be 'tacked on' - this has been building for the last three seasons!

I can't wait for Friday - but at the same time I'll be really sad to see one of my favourite shows come to an end. Definitely a show I'll be buying the box set of.

grenache

I've only watched a few episodes of season two and one episode of this last series so i'm not gonna watch any more episodes as it will spoil it for me. I bought Series 1 Box Set in Nottingham during the week for £15, bargain! Interesting that Series 2 is priced at £30 though.

Arthur Daley

grenache wrote: »

I've only watched a few episodes of season two and one episode of this last series so i'm not gonna watch any more episodes as it will spoil it for me. I bought Series 1 Box Set in Nottingham during the week for £15, bargain! Interesting that Series 2 is priced at £30 though.

Ashes to Ashes was slow to take off, and most consider series 2 superior to series 1. Series 1 DVDs probably didn't sell in the numbers expected at the time following the huge success of Life on Mars.

Motley Crue

Motley Crue wrote: »

5. Nelson is a bigger character, much much bigger character, then we have EVER given him credit for

then again nelson couldn't comprehend the idea of a TV in a pub even when Sam suggested it for watching the sport

EDIT: What i mean is while he may be wise, he cant be from the future on that basis.

Sidney77

seeing sam in the jacket could be the sam of 73 not 83, a vision or something,

many surprises tonight, like

life on mars music being played to image of chris
no copper with half a face(possibly a young tyler)
everyone seein stars, even ray, (though no number significance)
the news report

tony1kenobi

Deleted User wrote: »

then again nelson couldn't comprehend the idea of a TV in a pub even when Sam suggested it for watching the sport

EDIT: What i mean is while he may be wise, he cant be from the future on that basis.

If Nelson had said "yea that's an idea...reminds me of multi screens in hooters!"....it would have been akin to the Doc letting Marty keep the almanac......Nelson is smarter than that.

is this screenshot of DCI bevans minus the moustache for next week episode?
here

this is a photo of the actor who plays him
Link


if it is he is then he is very significant to the plot significant given what Gene told him (not that city would cane united )

The Maverick

I don't think thats him. Friday's crime story is about a gang of diamond thieves so that man is more than likely one of them. From the look of that screenshot and the trailer, it seems Shaz is undercover as an air stewardess at an airport. I wonder how they're going to fit that story and all the big relevation type stuff into an hour.

ToniTuddle

Opened the paper that was sitting on the table in the pub yesterday.
In it a screenshot from Fridays episode :mad:

That will teach me to read newspapers!!!! >.<

I'm staying away from all tv/papers/this thread until after Friday! :pac:

mountain

Lost may have a whole sub section to its self, but for many of us this is just as important!!!

I cant imagine that Gene will turn out to be a "baddie" if he is, i for one will be paraphrasing the words said to Shoeless Joe Jackson, "say it aint so gene!"

Im not sure whats going to happen, it would be nice if sam tyler is still alive, but what would that mean for Ray, Shaz etc.
anyhow, as long as we are not left hanging, and Gene remains a good guy I will be happy.



link for shoeless Joe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

mountain

mountain wrote: »

I cant imagine that Gene will turn out to be a "baddie" if he is, i for one will be paraphrasing the words said to Shoeless Joe Jackson, "say it aint so gene!"

turning gene into a bad guy is like turning del boy into one. its just should not be done. he is one of the great tv characters of all time. even if he is a villain i still think he is one of the great characters
i have actually butterflies in my stomach at the thoughts of how it will end. god i really need to get a life

Ann22

I wonder if the diamonds are going to be anything to do with the stars visions? Will there be some kind of scattering of them during a shoot out...so it's like some kind of premonition? Is that a daft idea?

omahaid

Huge spoilers here

http://www.lastbroadcast.co.uk/tv/reviews/v/11360-ashes-to-ashes-series-3-episode-8.html

Apparently, Gene Hunt is not Genes real name :eek::eek:

omahaid

omahaid wrote: »

Huge spoilers here

http://www.lastbroadcast.co.uk/tv/reviews/v/11360-ashes-to-ashes-series-3-episode-8.html

Apparently, Gene Hunt is not Genes real name :eek::eek:

Im starting to wonder

Is Gene actually Sam Tyler??? did he go back himself in time?

thought id spoiler that out in case im on to something

tony1kenobi

omahaid wrote: »

Huge spoilers here

http://www.lastbroadcast.co.uk/tv/reviews/v/11360-ashes-to-ashes-series-3-episode-8.html

Apparently, Gene Hunt is not Genes real name :eek::eek:

If it's

Major Tom Tyler

I'll go on a killing spree....anything else should be alright!

Motley Crue

OK, so tonight is the night, and I'll be honest - and the first one to say it - I don't think we'll truly find everything wrapped up as neat as we expect. For months the producers have been saying that the final Ashes to Ashes will be clear cut, no ambiguity, and that unlike the open ended Life On Mars we will be given the truth - and Gene Hunt will have said everything he is ever going to say

I call bull****, and say that by the end most of things we think we are going to know will not have been uncovered, and at least open to interpretation

There have been so many theories that I can't even begin to suggest what in the hell it's all about, and if it really is as clear cut as policewoman shot and now in a coma. Add that to the fact that they want to add in a "villain of the week" story, to waste 45 minutes of our time before they give us the final 15 minutes of goodness...

The only thing I can say is that I'll be watching, as interested as everyone else, and saying farewell to a great show - both Life On Mars and Ashes to Ashes have made me only ever wonder one thing - what the bloody hell do I watch now!?:pac:

Enbee

Deleted User wrote: »

My theory all along was that sam/alex had travelled back in time. Two significant things which gave me a clue.

1. A criminal which Sam had sectioned in LOM had attempted to turn off Sam's life support in the modern day despite never being collared by the police before sam went back to 1973. there was a mention he has escaped from mental home in 2006 to try kill Sam
2. Alex remembers Fenchurch East police station from 1981, the day her parents died and Gene supposedly was there for her the day her parents were killed. Big surprise Evan hasn't featured more in series 2 and 3. i thought he would be integral

The thing that has always bugged me about this is that Alex would surely have investigated whether or not a Gene Hunt actually existed after reviewing Sam's case file. If she hadn't done it already this would have led back to the death of her own parents. This is why I don't find the time travel explanation plausible.

ejmaztec

I'm wondering about the significance of those seeing the stars acting as if they're frightened children, even Ray turning into a big softie. It seems completely out of character for the characters that they play (apart from Shazz, who seems too soft either way).

Then again, it could be dodgy acting.

mike65

The Guardian has an interview/chat with the writer of the last episode after it ends, not sure if its live but it could be.

iguana

Enbee wrote: »

The thing that has always bugged me about this is that Alex would surely have investigated whether or not a Gene Hunt actually existed after reviewing Sam's case file.

That's a good point but from her perspective in 2008 she just thought Sam had a dream in his coma. She knows people don't really time travel so it would never have crossed her mind to see if a Gene Hunt existed because that was irrelevant to her job. She wasn't investigating whether Sam time travelled or not, the automatic assumption was that he didn't.

Motley Crue

15 minutes so far and already the best episode I've seen

Oh, and a mention of Cartwright, so interesting

mle1324

I'm am proper gonna miss Ashes to Ashes

omahaid

That was something else wasn't it? Wow

mike65

Pub as portal, makes sense to me.

sheehy898

EPIC!!!!!!!!!SIMPLY EPIC!!!!!!!

tony1kenobi

Perfect.

My only question is what decade Chris died in.......absolutely fantastic ending......it all starts again.....

Basq

Am I the only one who was a tad disappointed? Especially the silly ending of bringing in another potential Sam Tyler asking for his iPhone.

The episode was grand.. nothing special.. but the ending was a bit silly!

Sorry, but it wasn't a patch on the ending of 'Life on Mars' in my eyes!

RichTea

That was brilliant!

Motley Crue

So, if I get this right, Alex has died. Nelson is some kind of gatekeeper and when it was right for all of them to die he took them into the Railway Arms. Gene Hunt is someone who helps Policemen cross over to the "good" side where as Jim Keats helps them go to hell.

An interesting end to the series, and one which I saw coming, although I was more surprised by some things then others

Disappointing that Alex didn't get to wake up

Major disappointing that we didn't get to see Sam Tyler one last time, or Annie

I did enjoy the very end though - pity they're not going to do anything with it

omahaid

basquille wrote: »

Am I the only one who was a tad disappointed? Especially the silly ending of bringing in another potential Sam Tyler asking for his iPhone.

The episode was grand.. nothing special.. but the ending was a bit silly!

Ya, the probably could have wrapped Genes story up too instead of new Sam, but overall I'm happy. Still have questions though

DublinWriter

tony1kenobi wrote: »

My only question is what decade Chris died in.......

1960's...he said 'Fab' quite a lot.

Motley Crue

tony1kenobi wrote: »

My only question is what decade Chris died in.......absolutely fantastic ending......it all starts again.....

Looked modern enough, and Chris seemed to hint in a previous episode he knew about Nelson Mandella's release as fact when it was mentioned to him...I think he's from modern day

tony1kenobi

basquille wrote: »

Am I the only one who was a tad disappointed?

I would guess yes.

Motley Crue

basquille wrote: »

Am I the only one who was a tad disappointed? Especially the silly ending of bringing in another potential Sam Tyler asking for his iPhone.

I liked that, but I was upset we never found out about the crazy guy at the start of Ashes to Ashes, who was he on the phone too and what was the connection with Alex's parents...who did he call and why did he know Alex

Basq

Motley Crue wrote: »

I liked that, but I was upset we never found out about the crazy guy at the start of Ashes to Ashes, who was he on the phone too and what was the connection with Alex's parents...who did he call and why did he know Alex

That's nothing... just wait til all the loose ends when 'Lost' finishes early Monday morning!

mike65

Chris was wearing a rather "old school" version of the uniform, was there a musical clue a la Shaz?, I canne remember

Motley Crue

mike65 wrote: »

Chris was wearing a rather "old school" version of the uniform, was there a musical clue a la Shaz?, I canne remember

Oasis - Wonderwall was playing when Shaz was stabbed

mike65

Exactly, so was Chris sent off with a musical hint?

the Digitalspy site has collapsed!

Motley Crue

Take the first ten minutes of the episode, and the clues are all there: Chris hears music. Shaz sees the screwdriver that she’s been stabbed with. Ray is grabbing his neck at one point. “We’ve lost sight of who we are” Gene Hunt said in the first 10 minutes. Boy, he was bang on the mark there. The next 50 minutes after that proved it.

tony1kenobi

Motley Crue wrote: »

I liked that, but I was upset we never found out about the crazy guy at the start of Ashes to Ashes, who was he on the phone too and what was the connection with Alex's parents...who did he call and why did he know Alex

Layton...he was already dead and knew it....I would say that can be said for why Thordy knew all about Sam...and Alex' perception of her situation....they were just more aware of their predicament than the coppers were....even Gene had forgotten.........

I'm super happy...I have the feeling if I went back and watched the whole lot from the start I wouldn't be left with a huge amount of plot holes....a brilliant finish!!

horgan_p

Well i thought that for once a series ended "just right" - well written and gave all the characters we came to know and love fitting endings. not just endings but also explained why they sometimes did what they did - e.g. ray with the soldier earlier in the series. Gave the characters meaning i guess.

And (hopefully) they can , like a good book, put it on the shelf and be proud of what they did instead of trying to repeat the magic. they did it once and i must admit i was doubtful of ashes , but they did well.

ToniTuddle

Motley Crue wrote: »

Looked modern enough, and Chris seemed to hint in a previous episode he knew about Nelson Mandella's release as fact when it was mentioned to him...I think he's from modern day

He was talking to some dude on a bench and he said that Alex had told him that Nelson Mandella was going to be released. Remember seeing that!

Missed out on some of the dialouge due to the Mother trying to speak to me to which I replied ....WOMAAAAAAN SSSSSSSHHHHH! Ooops. I'll make her a cup of tea and say sorry

Like the idea of the pub as well.

But come on people we should all be in mourning here!!!! The flippin Quattro is DEAD :eek:






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