The Man speaks the truth

skelliser

funny how must of these conflicts occur around the equator! where there is constant heat, no seasons and 12 hours day 12 hours night!

randylonghorn

Hmm, I wonder would someone with a more up-to-date knowledge of international current affairs than myself like to analyse how many of those conflicts the US has a hand / vested interest in (even if there are no US troops involved).

That said, I do agree that GAAW couldn't really call itself unbiased in any shape or form.

galwayrush

I wonder what the GAAW think of the Taliban and various other extremists , like the ones who strapped bombs to two downs syndrome women and blew them up by remote control.the 70 + people who died were targeted because they were at a Pet Market, and selling Pets is apparently a serious sin in their eyes.Perhaps the GAAW don't realise what life would be like if the extremists took over and the freedoms we take for granted disappear.

skelliser

randylonghorn wrote: »

Hmm, I wonder would someone with a more up-to-date knowledge of international current affairs than myself like to analyse how many of those conflicts the US has a hand / vested interest in (even if there are no US troops involved).

this is true the vast majority of these conflicts were born out of the cold war pseudo capatilism vs communist, in particular the south american and african "wars" but when the U.S "won" the cold war they were left to there own devices.

imo opinion the GAAW are very selective in the policies, ignoring the wider picture at there own demise.
well an interesting doc i saw called "the power of nightmares" analyses all this, here is a link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4602171665328041876 its a 3 part doc, its well worth a look.

tristanc

toiletduck wrote: »

No, GAAW aren't anti-war they're anti-war/actions by America, Britain or Isreal. Pretty much anybody else is ok.

They're focused on the one war, presumably because they think it's the one where the participants are closest to home and thus the easiest to influence. That doesn't make them for other wars. Just because you're hitting one girl at the club, doesn't mean you think the rest of them are butt ugly - but you've got to focus your efforts if you want any chance of success.

tristanc

tristanc wrote: »

Just because you're hitting one girl at the club, doesn't mean you think the rest of them are butt ugly - but you've got to focus your efforts if you want any chance of success.

Okay, that was an idjit analogy. If you're for the war in Iraq, and want to argue that the american intervention was warranted/helpful, that's a fair position to take in opposition to the GAAW. If you are actually anti-Iraq war, but want to argue that the GAAW is essentially pissing into the wind, that's likely a defensible position as well. But claiming that they find other wars 'okay' because they aren't focused on them is pretty disingenuous. It would be like you're randomly trolling on message boards or something

Sherifu

tristanc wrote: »

Okay, that was an idjit analogy. If you're for the war in Iraq, and want to argue that the american intervention was warranted/helpful, that's a fair position to take in opposition to the GAAW. If you are actually anti-Iraq war, but want to argue that the GAAW is essentially pissing into the wind, that's likely a defensible position as well. But claiming that they find other wars 'okay' because they aren't focused on them is pretty disingenuous. It would be like you're randomly trolling on message boards or something

schizo much?

padraig71

galwayrush wrote: »

Perhaps the GAAW don't realise what life would be like if the extremists took over and the freedoms we take for granted disappear.

Or perhaps they do realise that US foreign policy during the past few years has effectively encouraged recruitment to the extremist groups you mention. Do you think the citizens of Iraq feel any safer today than under Saddam Hussein? As for extremists taking over and freedoms disappearing, that describes fairly accurately what has happened in the USA since George Bush and his cronies took power. The Patriot Act anyone?

At least with a bit of luck the next US president will be a black man or a woman, so there is some reason to hope for progress there.

@ Skelliser
+1 on 'The Power of Nightmares'. Very good on how both the US neocons and Islamo-fascists garner support by exaggerating the threat of a particular bogieman, whether militant Islamism or US imperialism.

toiletduck

tristanc wrote: »

They're focused on the one war, presumably because they think it's the one where the participants are closest to home and thus the easiest to influence. That doesn't make them for other wars. Just because you're hitting one girl at the club, doesn't mean you think the rest of them are butt ugly - but you've got to focus your efforts if you want any chance of success.

They don't just focus on Iraq, the Israel - Palestian conflict and Afghanistan are also in their focus. A member of Hezbollah was invited by them to give a talk by them in 2006, merely one example of their "neutrality". Read the letters section of the various papers from the past few years and see other glaring hyprocracises. They are not anti-war, unless your Western/Israeli.

vulcan57

toiletduck wrote: »

They don't just focus on Iraq, the Israel - Palestian conflict and Afghanistan are also in their focus. A member of Hezbollah was invited by them to give a talk by them in 2006, merely one example of their "neutrality". Read the letters section of the various papers from the past few years and see other glaring hyprocracises. They are not anti-war, unless your Western/Israeli.

So true. A comment at the Liam Mellows protest by the PRO of GAAW aimed at the Sinn Fien members peacefully preventing them from putting the orange boiler suit on poor old Liam. He said, "why are you not in the North fighting the Brits?", if that does'nt prove the hypocrocy of a group that claim to be anti war and peaceful, I don't know what will!

Zzippy

Just to get back on topic for a bit i.e. "The Man" (lol) speaking the truth (!)...

AircraftTechie wrote: »

A Fianna Fáil city councillor has launched a scathing attack on the Galway Alliance Against War, saying it is "damaging" the city.

Oh really? How is it "damaging" Galway??

"These people have and continue to do more damage to our city than any other so-called peaceful group in the history of Galway. Simply put, they are anti-Galway, anti-American and anti-progress.

Anti-Galway? Huh?
Anti-American? Yes, quite possibly, or maybe more accurately anti-American foreign policy.
Anti-progress? Unless his definition of progress is dropping bombs on innocent civilians, then no...

Cllr Crowe said he felt the group was not representative of the city as whole. "This group are in my view pushing the boundaries more and more, and I, along with most other people in the city, don't want anything to do with them.

I don't want much to do with GAAW myself, but I defend their right to protest, whether they are representative or not. Should you only be allowed to protest if you represent a majority view?
Cllr. Crowe isn't exactly representative of the city as a whole, but he still gets to spout rubbish on lots of issues, and I also defend his right to do so. I also defend my right to laugh heartily at anything he says.

By all means let them and any other group protest peacefully but they must, like all others respect the law of the land and if they don't then I would ask them to leave our city."

LOL. They live here too. Does he want them deported from the city because he doesn't agree with them?

Cllr. Michael Crowe. Is dead right, these people are indeed Anti everything except for what suits them not what the Majority wants, a right "Rent A Crowd" indeed, well said Sir, well said about time someone stood up and shouted back at them, just as good as FG's Cllr. Pádraig Conneely.

If you're going to slate GAAW or anyone else, at least quote a more articulate mouthpiece than Michael Crowe, or Padraig Conneely.

Thanks for the laugh!

boardswalker

galwayrush wrote: »

Perhaps the GAAW don't realise what life would be like if the extremists took over and the freedoms we take for granted disappear.

That's a naive comment. Your doomsday scenario may have already happened.
Many people consider George W. Bush to be an extremist. Bush demonstrates many of the characteristics of an extremist especially when he claims that " God is on their side of an issue and they often use religion as an excuse for acts of violence."
As for personal freedoms - "On December 17 President Bush acknowledged that he repeatedly authorized wiretaps, without obtaining a warrant, of American citizens engaged in international calls. On the face of it, these warrantless wiretaps violate FISA, which requires court approval for national security wiretaps and sets up a special procedure for obtaining it. Violation of the law is a felony." http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060130/holtzman/2

Also, for light reading have a look at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml;jsessionid=K3TKPLILMWNLDQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/arts/2008/02/02/btbushism102.xml

toiletduck

Zzippy wrote:

Anti-progress? Unless his definition of progress is dropping bombs on innocent civilians, then no...

Probably referring to their views of local industries they say are involved in weapons manufacture/development e.g. the HP plant.

randylonghorn

Zzippy wrote: »

I don't want much to do with GAAW myself, but I defend their right to protest, whether they are representative or not. Should you only be allowed to protest if you represent a majority view?
Cllr. Crowe isn't exactly representative of the city as a whole, but he still gets to spout rubbish on lots of issues, and I also defend his right to do so. I also defend my right to laugh heartily at anything he says.

+1

I love when someone saves me typing time ...

Steyr

toiletduck wrote: »

They don't just focus on Iraq, the Israel - Palestian conflict and Afghanistan are also in their focus.

Well said, they support Palestine who are always lobbing those rockets into Israel which is funny as Israel control the power like electrical and water which was mentioned in the news recently when Israel turned it off in response to the Palestinians firing the rockets at them. I believe Israel has a right to defend themselves in any way necessary as its not just Palestine who wants them off the map completely and i dont think id be wrong in saying a certain ME Nation is funding the Palestinians.

vulcan57

vulcan57 wrote: »

So true. A comment at the Liam Mellows protest by the PRO of GAAW aimed at the Sinn Fien members peacefully preventing them from putting the orange boiler suit on poor old Liam. He said, "why are you not in the North fighting the Brits?", if that does'nt prove the hypocrocy of a group that claim to be anti war and peaceful, I don't know what will!

Do these people know their own minds? Now this idiot is in the papers condenming the killings in the north! Not saying he should'nt comdenm them, but what a hypocrit.

bigeasyeah

The two main antagonists,Cllr.Crowe and the G.A.A.W are as bad as each other.Both are equally tiresome.

dloob

bigeasyeah wrote: »

The two main antagonists,Cllr.Crowe and the G.A.A.W are as bad as each other.Both are equally tiresome.

How about we bring back the air show and deport both Crowe and the GAAW?

bigeasyeah

dloob wrote: »

How about we bring back the air show and deport both Crowe and the GAAW?

Sweet.

VanhireBoys

dloob wrote: »

How about we bring back the air show and deport both Crowe and the GAAW?

:D:D:D


These 2 entities have been in my face since I came to Galway - Fed up to the hoosal with their constant 1 upmanship...!

Steyr

What a Hypocrite Niall Farrell is indeed.

Lockstep

AircraftTechie wrote: »

The attack comes in the wake of a protest held last Sunday in which the group attempted to dress the Liam Mellows statue in Eyre Square as a Guantanamo Bay prisoner.

:mad::mad::mad:

I'd have socialist sympathies but that's too far for my liking.

crystal castle

In fairness, the GAAW only represent themselves. They deprived the kids of the city and surrounding areas a day out in summer because they managed to find the evil in it. That said, any organisation that allows Galway Hippies to channel their creative energy in any shape or form, or at least keep them off Dominick St. and laying about the Spanish Arch in fine weather throwing frisbees, wrecking everyone's head should benefit the city as a whole.