Who sang YNWA first?

Mitch Connor

Maybe that Celtic United book has something backing my claims up. I'll have to buy it if i see it at the weekend!

Mad_Max

Mr Alan, you keep asking did the fans love musicals blah blah. But Frank Sinatra covered it. He was farely popular in his day Im sure if they caught it off anyone then that MAY have been the source.

but anyway who care's. Its a couple of man yoo fans on boards claiming it was sung at O.T first. Hardly "raping" your club's heritage. Sure rafa's doing a good enough job at that anyway:D

Dave!

Sinatra recorded it in 1945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_Never_Walk_Alone_%28song%29#Recorded_versions

It reached no.9 in the charts in the US.

Hardly a "little known tune from a musical".

hanton12

Deleted User wrote: »

They sang "Who are ya" for 90 minutes straight last season when we played them. It was a 5.15 kick off and I think the pubs had done great business that day.

ah right. I didnt realise it was their club song. My mistake so:rolleyes:

super_furry

http://football.guardian.co.uk/news/theknowledge/0,9204,912750,00.html

While many Celtic fan-based websites provide the words to You'll Never Walk Alone, and it features on the CD Green & White Anthems, there is no historical evidence that Celtic fans sang it on their terraces first. Instead, a cursory glance back in time shows that Liverpool have the much stronger claims.

After all, the song, originally written by Rodgers and Hammerstein in 1945 for the Broadway musical Carousel, only became a terrace favourite after it was covered by Gerry and the Pacemakers in November 1963. Almost immediately - as footage from Panorama in 1964 shows - Liverpool supporters adopted it.

As Paul Fields points out: "Before the early 60s football fans made noise and occasionally chanted something brief (like Play Up Pompey!) but it was the Kop that started singing popular songs of the day (mainly Merseybeat songs such as Gerry and the Pacemakers' You'll Never Walk Alone) and later started to adapt the lyrics of songs to celebrate the team and its players.

"If any Celtic fans still claim that they sang it first, it would have to predate Gerry's version. Now can you really see thousands of working class Glaswegians in the 50s/early 60s spontaneously joining in a sing-along from a Rodgers and Hammerstein musical?" No, us neither.

___________________________

There's not a shred of real evidence to suggest any team sang it before Liverpool in 1964.

~Rebel~

Not getting involved, but The Knowledge pretty much covered this.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/news/theknowledge/0,9204,912750,00.html

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heh, thats some crazy timing Super_Furry!

RE*AC*TOR

DaveMcG wrote: »

Sinatra recorded it in 1945
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_Never_Walk_Alone_%28song%29#Recorded_versions

It reached no.9 in the charts in the US.

Hardly a "little known tune from a musical".

and what access did the British public have to the US charts in 1945?

No itunes back then.

Whatever about a number 1 hit - but number 9?

Mr Alan

Actually i was the first person to point out that Sinatra was one of the first people to record it, but as far as i'm aware though, it was never released in the UK, anyone able to provide me with a UK chart position for it? Maybe between all the musicals they attended-the Utd were jetting over to Vegas to check out singers week in week out?!

even if it was released in the UK, does that still explain how Old trafford terraces all knew the lyrics to it? Seriously, try and start to sing the number 9 song in the US chart next game you're at.

the claim is laughable.

Mad_Max

I didnt in any way claim to know what the people of the day listened to i said it MAY be how they heard it.

I just don't understand why your so worked up over it. It is excepted as your song now and no-one ever asks who sang it first (normally). Celtic fans dont seem to be getting as bothered.

Jazzy

stooge wrote: »

I have a feeling that Utd fans wouldnt bother with something so trivial to 'get one over' on their rivals given the current league table/recent results between the 2 etc

you'd be amazed.
for example there are a group of Utd fans on here who I firmly believe hate liverpool more then they like Utd.

astrofool

This thread is dangerously close to bringing the place down to F365 forum levels.

Mr Alan and Tauren are big giant babies, it's a song, who the f*ck cares.

The first people to sing it were in a girlie musical, go and support them.

astrofool

astrofool wrote: »

This thread is dangerously close to bringing the place down to F365 forum levels.

Mr Alan and Tauren are big giant babies, it's a song, who the f*ck cares.

The first people to sing it were in a girlie musical, go and support them.

Amen.


A mod should lock this piece of sh*t cos its just gonna go round in circles.

Murtinho

Guess what we sang to the Liverpool fans after the 77 cup final:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPtzt0D2OF0

event

Mr Alan wrote: »

Archimedes-i care because YNWA is part of Liverpool history and is one of the things that makes our club special imo, Utd fans trying to rape that heritage claiming they sang it first pisses me off. sad but true.

ah here

Mr Alan wrote: »

I cant deal in hypothetical situations that are that out there. There is no way that Utd sang it first. Despite wat Tauren might want say.

hate to be pedantic, but you dont know that. There is no way you could, unless you were there. By the same logic, there is no way tauren can prove united sung it first

Mr Alan

astrofool wrote: »

Mr Alan and Tauren are big giant babies, it's a song, who the f*ck cares.

The first people to sing it were in a girlie musical, go and support them.

You're probably one of those annoying people who go around saying, "its only a game" after someones team loses, correct?

ok event, i agree, but my explanation of the origins of the song in the football world actually makes sense, whereas Taurens one requires more faith than christianity!

ps.you dont hate being pedantic, you love it! closet manc if ever there was one

Mitch Connor

Mr Alan wrote: »

You're probably one of those annoying people who go around saying, "its only a game" after someones team loses, correct?

ok event, i agree, but my explanation of the origins of the song in the football world actually makes sense, whereas Taurens one requires more faith than christianity!

ps.you dont hate being pedantic, you love it! closet manc if ever there was one

OH HELL NO!

Nope, i'm not taking that. Not a chance. NO WAY.

More faith the CHRISTIANITY!? How very dare you!

Jazzy

Mr Alan wrote: »

You're probably one of those annoying people who go around saying, "its only a game" after someones team loses, correct?

you are actually bang wrong there.
and if you could be wrong about that.... then... you could be wrong about other stuff too

Mr Alan

Of course i could be wrong about some stuff.

just not this

Mr Alan

Tauren wrote: »

OH HELL NO!

Nope, i'm not taking that. Not a chance. NO WAY.

More faith the CHRISTIANITY!? How very dare you!

LOL:D

ya big baby!

astrofool

Unless there is a recording of the crowd for every match anywhere since that song was first sang, then there is no way you can be "right", at most, like your sponsor, "probably".

Mr Alan

Event! i think you being so pedantic all the time has spread to other users!

Mad_Max

Jaysus just noticed a tonne of arguments about this on youtube too. ffs

PHB

If people don't want to read about stuff like this, don't look at the thread If people want to discuss this sort of stuff, let them
Personally I really couldn't care less

event

Mr Alan wrote: »

ps.you dont hate being pedantic, you love it! closet manc if ever there was one

pfft, tbh i just cant stand the way some pool fans go on when they win something

LuckyLloyd

RE*AC*TOR wrote: »

I sincerely doubt a song from a relatively obscure Rogers and Hammerstein musical was sung to any great extent by football fans. Its as likely as modern fans breaking into a spot of Evita or Les Miserables. It was only really with the popularity stemming from the Pacemakers version that the song spread to the terraces (primarily at Anfield) and became an anthem of sorts.

Aren't ManYoo fans happy enough with "United Road"? That's their anthem. I know it inspires the shít out of me.

Thread pwned.

And LOL.

citytillidie

event wrote: »

pfft, tbh i just cant stand the way some pool fans go on when they win something

What like some United fans go on about 1999 all the time

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Thread pwned.

And LOL.

How old are you?

zAbbo

Doesn't matter if United sang it first, they still boo it now...

joe316

Just letting people know i had nothing to do with the start of this thread, i think i posted that comment in the midweek prem thread and then the next thing i notice is a seperate thread with my op, so i didnt want to go and start another flame war. This forum is full of utd vs pool threads already so didnt want to start another one.

I enjoy a bit of banter but sometimes it goes too far and petty in here sometimes, just my 2 cents anyhow.

joe

zAbbo

zAbbo wrote: »

Doesn't matter if United sang it first, they still boo it now...

And occasionally parody it.

LuckyLloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

How old are you?

24. But I'm about 8 at heart.

Andrew 83

I was watching the Spurs v Man City FA Cup Final replay from 1982 a while back on ESPN Classic and the Spurs fans were singing it.

raven136

who cares if united sang it first,we(pool fans)think its ours,we are famous for it and it means the most to us.

Sadly celtic fans sing it better these days but ill always see fields of athenry as their song.

Mr Alan

Utd Fans Did Not Sing It First!

Mr Alan

and Celtic fans sing it better? pfft! they have Chelsea Dagger playing when they score a goal ffs!

Ladies and Gentlemen.....

i present you............................. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11MQnQ8QjJs

ah wat a night

homerjay2005

to be honest, i dont care who sang it first. i dont like the song. leave liverpool and celtic sing it away, doesn matter one but to me. united have more than enough songs to sing. its not a united song and i hope i never have to hear it at old trafford. have heard it there before when celtic were there and it wasnt long being drowned out.

if united sang it first, then so be it, the fact of the matter is, that united fans hate it and it is not a united song.

~Rebel~

Mr Alan wrote: »

Ladies and Gentlemen.....

i present you............................. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11MQnQ8QjJs

ah wat a night

Goosebumps!

cournioni

Give me the United Calypso any day...

homerjay2005

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Give me the United Calypso any day...

here u go -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf9k7b40pyY&feature=related



another version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zymh8_Ku9zs&feature=related


i predict, this will be sung for the majority of the 90 minutes next sunday week. i was at the lille game last year and i dont know hoe they did, but lads stood up for 15 mins solid and sung it over and over again.

ziggy

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Nailz

I don't really care tbh, even if United did... If Liverpool fans want it, sure they already have it so why should we (Utd fans) care?!? We have our own, for example `United Road` and as PORNAPSTER said `United Calypso`. So I don't really see the point in arguing on this particular subject... there's alot more important things to fight about.

Murtinho

YNWA is a load of **** anyway, the same crowd that sing it have also been known to boo their heroes off, 90% of clubs sing it nowadays, the dutch, german, scandinavian clubs are allways at it

Nailz

Murtinho wrote: »

YNWA is a load of **** anyway, the same crowd that sing it have also been known to boo their heroes off, 90% of clubs sing it nowadays, the dutch, german, scandinavian clubs are allways at it

That's bollox, only one team in the Premiership sings it and 1 into 20 is 5%... 90%, really?! :rolleyes: And I sincerly doubt that Dutch, German & Scandinavian clubs sing it. And so what, if the scousers want to sing it let 'em! I or anybody else apart from Liverpool and their supporters should have absolutly no bearing on that.

Peyton Manning

OMG LIVERPOOL STOLE IT OFF UNITED!"!!"!£!131!!1

wE GOT ONE OVER ON DEM.

OPENROAD

Andrew 83 wrote: »

I was watching the Spurs v Man City FA Cup Final replay from 1982 a while back on ESPN Classic and the Spurs fans were singing it.

Have heard England fans sing it also.

Nailz

I like you Archimedes, but don't say things like "We got one over on them"... it's a shìt song that hasn't got anything to do with United apart from (possibly) singing it 1st, which in my estimation means nothing and I couldn't care less.

Peyton Manning

Nailz wrote: »

I like you Archimedes

Sorry, Im not like that at all.

Nailz wrote: »

but don't say things like "We got one over on them"... it's a shìt song that hasn't got anything to do with United apart from (possibly) singing it 1st, which in my estimation means nothing and I couldn't care less.
Today 00:34

I was joking, I thought the excessive caps took care of that. I was merely poking fun at the fact that a few Liverpool fans think this is an argument for us to get one over on their club, when in reality we couldnt give a tupenny sh1t about it.

Mr Alan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZrVfMRyoE0

above is the a minutes silence between AC milan and Real Madrid from 1989, they stopped the game six minutes in (same time the match at Hillsborough was stopped) and held the silence, the milan ultras had orchestrated and passed around sheets with the lyrics on it and they broke into YNWA, beautiful.

Nailz

Archimedes wrote: »

Sorry, Im not like that at all.

I was joking, I thought the excessive caps took care of that. I was merely poking fun at the fact that a few Liverpool fans think this is an argument for us to get one over on their club, when in reality we couldnt give a tupenny sh1t about it.

You makin' fun of me!?! :mad:;) Ah yes I understand, within reason though...

Mr Alan

Nailz & Archimedes, just so ye know, i think you'd make a lovely couple.

horrible manc off-spring though