[Eircom & Resellers..BT, UTV etc] ADSL Speed upgrade to 8MB discussion...ongoing

mattman

talkin about ping times with the new upgrades (to 7.6) etc..

It would seem only a few people are posting problems..so I think it's not al that bad...

a ping of anything up to 120 is very playable on medal of honor 4 multiplayer.

m.

ps: same here upgrade due on 9th aug 3 meg to 7.6 ...will let you know new pings etc..but i also hear it will take a week of so to settle things down at exchanges.

Hank Scorpio

mattman wrote: »

talkin about ping times with the new upgrades (to 7.6) etc..

It would seem only a few people are posting problems..so I think it's not al that bad...

a ping of anything up to 120 is very playable on medal of honor 4 multiplayer.

m.

ps: same here upgrade due on 9th aug 3 meg to 7.6 ...will let you know new pings etc..but i also hear it will take a week of so to settle things down at exchanges.

no offence m8 but a ping of 120 in MOH4 if a massive disadvantage, ok it might seem normal to a player who likes to pop it on for a hour or 2 a week and have some fun, but to a "serious" gamer its a massive problem.

I wouldnt play on a server with more than 40 ms dos ping, but hey thats just me. I believe the 56k days are behind us

DECEiFER

mattman wrote: »

talkin about ping times with the new upgrades (to 7.6) etc..

It would seem only a few people are posting problems..so I think it's not al that bad...

a ping of anything up to 120 is very playable on medal of honor 4 multiplayer.

m.

ps: same here upgrade due on 9th aug 3 meg to 7.6 ...will let you know new pings etc..but i also hear it will take a week of so to settle things down at exchanges.

Speeds are quite erratic at the moment. At 6am this morning it was perfect. My line syncs at 7616/672, which is also perfect. I am also 100-200 meters from my exchange, so I have low noise. My SNR is 17/12. Nothing wrong on paper for me. However, during the period when people are awake (from early morning to late at night), my download speed varies from 4000-6600Kb/s. A speedtest done one minute will read 4250Kb/s for example. Doing exactly the same test a moment later could show my speed as 5110Kb/s. When I had 3Mb it was always between 2500-2700Kb/s, usually sitting somewhere in the 2600Kb/s region quite steadily.

I am putting it down to the exchange's and line's need to settle over a few days or a week. If this goes on, I will be calling my ISP to get answers.

So, we have high interleaving (which equals high pings) and erratic speeds (like something Ripwave from IBB would demonstrate). It has to get better, or so many people like myself will be moving down to a more stable package, possibly the new 3Mb service.

I really want Eircom's Tech Support email so that I can ask them the questions directly without having to give account information, as I don't subscribe to Eircom for my broadband. Chances are my ISP along with all the other re-sellers won't know jack.

brettmirl

mattman wrote: »

whos your ISP? whats your ping times?

ISP is Eircom.

Just did a speedtest.net and results are:

Download - 8761kb/s
Upload - 686kb/s
Ping - 62ms


And pinging boards.ie:

Pinging boards.ie [89.234.66.107] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=61
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=61
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=61
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=61

Hank Scorpio

mick_irl wrote: »

ISP is Eircom.

Just did a speedtest.net and results are:

Download - 8761kb/s
Upload - 686kb/s
Ping - 62ms


And pinging boards.ie:

Pinging boards.ie [89.234.66.107] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=61
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=61
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=61
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=61

your pings arent terrible, but there still almost double as what they should be

if your not a gamer i wouldnt worry with those ping times

Tweaky

DECEiFER wrote: »

Speeds are quite erratic at the moment. At 6am this morning it was perfect. My line syncs at 7616/672, which is also perfect. I am also 100-200 meters from my exchange, so I have low noise. My SNR is 17/12. Nothing wrong on paper for me. However, during the period when people are awake (from early morning to late at night), my download speed varies from 4000-6600Kb/s. A speedtest done one minute will read 4250Kb/s for example. Doing exactly the same test a moment later could show my speed as 5110Kb/s. When I had 3Mb it was always between 2500-2700Kb/s, usually sitting somewhere in the 2600Kb/s region quite steadily.

I am putting it down to the exchange's and line's need to settle over a few days or a week. If this goes on, I will be calling my ISP to get answers.

So, we have high interleaving (which equals high pings) and erratic speeds (like something Ripwave from IBB would demonstrate). It has to get better, or so many people like myself will be moving down to a more stable package, possibly the new 3Mb service.

I really want Eircom's Tech Support email so that I can ask them the questions directly without having to give account information, as I don't subscribe to Eircom for my broadband. Chances are my ISP along with all the other re-sellers won't know jack.

I had very similar problems with my connection and through a process of elimination determined it was a USB wifi adapter I was using. If you are using wifi this may be the problem. Connect via ethernet and try the tests. Mine has been very stable since I did that.

PogMoThoin

mick_irl wrote: »

ISP is Eircom.

Just did a speedtest.net and results are:

Download - 8761kb/s
Upload - 686kb/s
Ping - 62ms


And pinging boards.ie:

Pinging boards.ie [89.234.66.107] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=61
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=61
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=61
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=61

Your obviously a business connection with ADSL2+, thats why your pings are fine, its those upgraded who stay on ADSL with high interleaving that are complaining of high pings

DECEiFER

Tweaky wrote: »

I had very similar problems with my connection and through a process of elimination determined it was a USB wifi adapter I was using. If you are using wifi this may be the problem. Connect via ethernet and try the tests. Mine has been very stable since I did that.

I always use Ethernet. My connection has all the correct settings, including MTU. Everything *should* be fine. It's not just me who has been showing erratic speeds. Look around this whole thread. Since the upgrade very few people have been able demonstrate their connection's supposed full potential.

My name is URL

My pings have gotten better since the other day



could still be better though, Limerick's server responds quicker for me than Dublin's which is a bit mad, does anyone know what a realistic ideal ping should be for me?

ChessHacker

The upgrade is going to be a disaster for me.

My stats are:

ADSL Link         Downstream  Upstream
Connection Speed  3072 kbps    384 kbps
Line Attenuation  45.0 db      26.0 db
Noise Margin       7.9 db      15.0 db

After 9 P.M., to get a stable connection, I have to set my Netgear DG834GT to a target noise margin of ~9db in order to maintain a sync (currently 2784 kbps) :mad:

Today after the rain, my attenuation has increased from
44db to 45db.
Last year when part of my cabling was replaced due to a line outside the house coming down, it was 43db.
Is this evidence of some bad connections?

[The house wiring is very old but replacing it is a job I won't be able to do myself.]

Any suggestions?

I'm on the Nutley exchange and am roughly 1.7km away as the crow flies.

rc28

Upward Spiral wrote: »

My pings have gotten better since the other day



could still be better though, Limerick's server responds quicker for me than Dublin's which is a bit mad, does anyone know what a realistic ideal ping should be for me?

To get an accurate ping result; Click the start icon in windows, click run, type in 'command', then in the command box type in 'ping www.boards.ie'. When I do that I get an average ping of 10. I'm on eircom 2mb.

DECEiFER

Upward Spiral wrote: »

My pings have gotten better since the other day



could still be better though, Limerick's server responds quicker for me than Dublin's which is a bit mad, does anyone know what a realistic ideal ping should be for me?

It's retarded in how speedtest.net calculates latency. I don't know how it does it, but I do know that it is wrong. For example, do a DOS ping to fwi.ie (Limerick server) and try it on speedtest.net. The difference is exceptional. Even if it's right the odd time, you just cannot tell until you compare with a DOS ping to the same server. Therefore you should not use the pings from speedtest.net to make any determinations or take them in any way seriously. Only trust your own DOS pings.

rc28

ChessHacker wrote: »

The upgrade is going to be a disaster for me.

My stats are:

ADSL Link         Downstream  Upstream
Connection Speed  3072 kbps    384 kbps
Line Attenuation  45.0 db      26.0 db
Noise Margin       7.9 db      15.0 db

After 9 P.M., to get a stable connection, I have to set my Netgear DG834GT to a target noise margin of ~9db in order to maintain a sync (currently 2784 kbps) :mad:

Today after the rain, my attenuation has increased from
44db to 45db.
Last year when part of my cabling was replaced due to a line outside the house coming down, it was 43db.
Is this evidence of some bad connections?

[The house wiring is very old but replacing it is a job I won't be able to do myself.]

Any suggestions?

I'm on the Nutley exchange and am roughly 1.7km away as the crow flies.

Connect the line from the router directly into the wall socket and remove all other filters in the house, including sky box etc. See if that makes a difference. Otherwise, if you have a spare router or if you could borrow a friend's see if your stats improve. If they do then you probably need a new router.

My name is URL

DECEiFER wrote: »

It's retarded in how speedtest.net calculates latency. I don't know how it does it, but I do know that it is wrong. For example, do a DOS ping to fwi.ie (Limerick server) and try it on speedtest.net. The difference is exceptional. Even if it's right the odd time, you just cannot tell until you compare with a DOS ping to the same server. Therefore you should not use the pings from speedtest.net to make any determinations or take them in any way seriously. Only trust your own DOS pings.

Wow, I done a DOS ping to fwi.ie and heres the results

Pinging fwi.ie [82.195.146.32] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 82.195.146.32: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.195.146.32: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.195.146.32: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=59
Reply from 82.195.146.32: bytes=32 time=33ms TTL=59

The Dublin server pings improves massively also, down from 81ms to

Pinging westnet.ie [78.153.203.102] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 78.153.203.102: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=58
Reply from 78.153.203.102: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=58
Reply from 78.153.203.102: bytes=32 time=34ms TTL=58
Reply from 78.153.203.102: bytes=32 time=35ms TTL=58

Could it be the interface of Speedtest that hinders the ping? When you click on the server you want to ping it'll have to process it on speedtest.

DECEiFER

Upward Spiral wrote: »

Could it be the interface of Speedtest that hinders the ping? When you click on the server you want to ping it'll have to process it on speedtest.

I really don't know the technical ins and outs, but I do know that the pings have always been over high on that site from day one.

DECEiFER

I've just emailed Eircom about the pings and erratic speeds.

Hi,

I have received my upgrade from 3Mb to 7.6Mb on the Killerisk Exchange. Two things I have noticed.

The first issue is in regards to mass amounts of Interleaving which have shot my ping up very high, even on domestic servers I'm pinging 40ms, which is fairly unreasonable compared to the standard 15-20ms I was getting beforehand. Is this a temporary thing, for stability reasons? If so, when can I expect the Interleaving to be reduced to the lower setting you had previously?

The second issue is related to speed. On the 3Mb package I was able to obtain full speeds (2650Kb/s on average with little flux). Now it's all over the shop. Question is, why offer upgrades if they won't be stable? My line is perfect. SNR is 17dB since the upgrade, and my attenuation has always been 3dB. My modem/router syncs at 7616/672. In theory I should be getting full speed. But even in the small hours, when people are in bed, it's going from 3000-6500Kb/s erratically. No two speed tests done within seconds/moments of each other come close, not even on your own Eircom one. What gives? Is there any positive explanation to be offered that isn't just a butter-up?

Thank you for reading. I look forward to a prompt reply.


Regards,
Dave.

What do you think? Looking back on it now, I just realized that I shouldn't have said "I" or "My", but rather from a "We" stance. It would have seemed more urgent that way. Oh well.

digiking

Sorry being away the last few days.

Also on the killerisk exchange, Abit further out of town i might add, but my connection is all over the shop also, Consistant connection at least syncing at 7616/672 with an snr of about 12 down 15 up...So everything should be fine.

However as decifier has said there is definately serious interleaving being done.

I have just ran a speedtest on speedtest.net here are the results.

Ping = 109
Down = 6994
Up = 540

Needless to say i'm not happy out the pings - downloading files is faster but surfing has actually got slower in my opinion due to lousy pings

Alan

Bodhan

Well I'm no faster than I was, I'm in Portlaoise



still sucky 2meg

Psygnosis

Hi,

Im in Rush around 3.5km from the exchange. Came home to find out I was upgraded nice shock.

Anyway here are my stats

Line State Up Modulation DMT Data Path Interleave
Downstream Upstream Max Allowed Speed (kbps) 3072 384 SN Margin (dB) 13.00 14.00 Line Attenuation (dB) 52.00 31.50 CRC Errors 2 0


The Sn Margin before upgrade I had 1mb was 19 so dropped 6 also line attenuation went up by 1.5 no bigyy but connection seems rock solid

flamegrill

This is me before the upgrade:

http://www.irishisptest.com:443/myspeed/db/report?id=146018

That result is pretty damned good for a 3meg line currently. The latency you'll note is quite a bit less than what speedtest.net reports.

Still don't have a firm date on Carlow, I'm told feicing September

Calebmcd

Best pings i've had in a while

C:\Windows\system32>ping boards.ie

Pinging boards.ie [89.234.66.107] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=58
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=58
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=58
Reply from 89.234.66.107: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=58

Ping statistics for 89.234.66.107:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 16ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 16ms

Connection Speed 3072 kbps 384 kbps 
Line Attenuation 48.0 db 28.0 db 
Noise Margin 17.1 db 12.0 db 

Tracing route to www.boards.ie [89.234.66.107]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    16 ms    15 ms    16 ms  bas508.cwt.esat.net [193.95.136.245]
  3    16 ms    16 ms    16 ms  vlan500.rt502.cwt.esat.net [193.95.136.125]
  4    16 ms    15 ms    17 ms  vlan52.rt001.cwt.esat.net [193.95.130.145]
  5    22 ms    16 ms    16 ms  ge0-0.br001.cwt.esat.net [193.95.129.4]
  6    17 ms    15 ms    16 ms  to-inex-dub-deg-gw.digiweb.ie [193.242.111.20]
  7    17 ms    18 ms    18 ms  ip-89-234-66-107.dedi.digiweb.ie [89.234.66.107]


Trace complete.

Agent Smith

ROCHESTOWN exchange anyone know when this is to be upgraded?

DECEiFER

Agent Smith wrote: »

ROCHESTOWN exchange anyone know when this is to be upgraded?

Do you know your own phone number? ... Good!

Lob it in here:
http://www.btireland.ie/cgi-bin/upgrade_time

irishgeo

DECEiFER wrote: »

Do you know your own phone number? ... Good!

Lob it in here:
http://www.btireland.ie/cgi-bin/upgrade_time

Your line will be upgraded post September :sigh:

gibbon75

I've got a new Eircom phone socket today (the one with ADSL and phone connector).Just finished with the install :

Downstream Upstream
Max Allowed Speed (kbps) 7616 672
SN Margin (dB) 12.00 12.00
Line Attenuation (dB) 26.50 11.50
CRC Errors 0 1


With the old socket these were my best stats:

Downstream Upstream
Max Allowed Speed (kbps) 6272 672
SN Margin (dB) 10.00 12.00
Line Attenuation (dB) 28.00 13.00
CRC Errors 0 1

To achieve this I had to pick up the phone receiver a couple of times to make my router resync.

Just to be on the safe side I ordered a Speedtouch 585v6 router from the UK.I hope it will land before the weekend,so I can test my line further.

DECEiFER

gibbon75 wrote: »

I've got a new Eircom phone socket today (the one with ADSL and phone connector).Just finished with the install :

Downstream Upstream
Max Allowed Speed (kbps) 7616 672
SN Margin (dB) 12.00 12.00
Line Attenuation (dB) 26.50 11.50
CRC Errors 0 1


With the old socket these were my best stats:

Downstream Upstream
Max Allowed Speed (kbps) 6272 672
SN Margin (dB) 10.00 12.00
Line Attenuation (dB) 28.00 13.00
CRC Errors 0 1

To achieve this I had to pick up the phone receiver a couple of times to make my router resync.

Just to be on the safe side I ordered a Speedtouch 585v6 router from the UK.I hope it will land before the weekend,so I can test my line further.

The UK's phone sockets are different. They don't use the RJ-11's like most of the world do. There's converters available quite commonly in Ireland. Or perhaps, they will supply one with the Router.

gibbon75

DECEiFER wrote: »

The UK's phone sockets are different. They don't use the RJ-11's like most of the world do. There's converters available quite commonly in Ireland. Or perhaps, they will supply one with the Router.

I know that.I have converter somwhere in my drawer

DECEiFER

gibbon75 wrote: »

I know that.I have converter somwhere in my drawer

Daycent. I'd have sent you one of mine if you were stuck. :P

Damn *****. They always have to do things different. :eek:

Kirby

to be fair, we are the exact same. they create a sport with a ball where you cant use your hands, and score by hitting it under the bar......

We, in an attempt to be defiant, create a sport with a ball, where every player can use his hands, and you score by hitting it over the bar. Their game is played on a 120 yard long pitch? We will make ours 130 METRES long! haha!



You get the point tho. The english arent the only ones make things different just because.

DECEiFER

Kirby wrote: »

to be fair, we are the exact same. they create a sport with a ball where you cant use your hands, and score by hitting it under the bar......

We, in an attempt to be defiant, create a sport with a ball, where every player can use his hands, and you score by hitting it over the bar.

Soccer and Gaelic Football are age old games. Gaelic Football was around long before the GAA.

Here's another example. Opel cars. They had to use Vauxalls. Go to Australia, another commonwealth country, and they have Holdens. Essentially, they are all GM. But in my eyes, they are all Opels.