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Physical selection for various worldwide Military units

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Flying wrote: »
    Most likely when you were a child.

    Junior Leaders I think is what your refering too.

    Also you think anyone here is going to tell you what Unit they were in, who their CO was, the CSM, the Pln SGT, what years they were operational.

    Your a walter, I served for 6 years there, and nearly 8 years here, now what are ya 14 or 15...

    God Someone ban this bumbling trolling fool, also have a read of the charter before you go spouting.



    How could naming what company you were in and naming some NCOs compromise your ID ?

    Junior Para depot is what the PRJL were refered to.

    Name the company HQ blocks at Aldershot ?

    Or some of the famous hills which had to be run during P coy ?

    .................If you served in 3 Para.

    Whats 3 Paras unofficial motto ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Flying


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    How could naming what company you were in and naming some NCOs compromise your ID ?

    Junior Para depot is what the PRJL were refered to.

    Name the company HQ blocks at Aldershot ?

    Or some of the famous hills which had to be run during P coy ?

    .................If you served in 3 Para.

    Whats 3 Paras unofficial motto ?


    Please enlighten us all as your the expert, come on lets see what you got to tell us, maybe your 15, your a big lad tell us about your time in the regiment and how tough it was and your comprehensive combat knowledge oh please !.

    The slurry must be spread early this year, I get that aroma...

    Maybe you would like to know my service number, the name of my ex-wife the married accomodation block I lived in and how much I got paid and the name of my padre there in the 80's yeah ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Flying wrote: »
    Please enlighten us all as your the expert, come on lets see what you got to tell us, maybe your 15, your a big lad tell us about your time in the regiment and how tough it was and your comprehensive combat knowledge oh please !.

    The slurry must be spread early this year, I get that aroma...

    Maybe you would like to know my service number, the name of my ex-wife the married accomodation block I lived in and how much I got paid and the name of my padre there in the 80's yeah ?



    You should have known some of the blocks were named after famous ex Paras.

    To name two, Ridgeway and Blyth the first men to row the Atlantic, also serving Paras.

    Hungry hill, sapper hill, mulberry hill, severn sisters were some of the hills.

    The unofficial motto is.....Get your revenge in first.

    You should also know Paras have contempt for most other units, its part of the ethos, none of this brothers in arms bollox.

    No ex-Para would be spouting all selection is the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Gentlemen although I have stood down as mod the Admins have not yet changed my status so I am advising Pathfinder and Flying to take a step back and calm down.

    This has gotten way too personal, you just letting yourselves down at this stage.

    I'm not beyond handing out a couple of going away bans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    Pathfinder shut up mate,your net helping yourself by spouting on and on..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    I could do a 3 for the price of 2 special if you like...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Irish_Army01


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    , pics of current members and ops are classified.


    Very Same as the ARW..................


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭OS119


    you, my friend, are a c0ck.

    didn't you used to post on polly.ie and be a total throbber there too?

    just for the record, i believe you to be a spotty, scrawney, aneamic 14 year old in a locked bedroom covered in 'paper roses' trawling through wiki and walt sites (and the occasional soft-porn emporium) in some bizarre - and doomed to failure - attempt to justify your mothers descision to throw away the wrong bit of afterbirth.

    and, as anyone with any servoice whatsoever would know, attempting to get the names of current and former members of the military plastered on the internet is massively contrary to PERSEC, and makes you liable to a good shoeing - as well as vunerable to prosecution under the Terrorism Act.

    twat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    OS119 banned for a week for personal abuse.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Flying


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    You should have known some of the blocks were named after famous ex Paras.

    To name two, Ridgeway and Blyth the first men to row the Atlantic, also serving Paras.

    Hungry hill, sapper hill, mulberry hill, severn sisters were some of the hills.

    The unofficial motto is.....Get your revenge in first.

    You should also know Paras have contempt for most other units, its part of the ethos, none of this brothers in arms bollox.

    No ex-Para would be spouting all selection is the same.


    No EX-PARA would be spouting any of the above, as with Hagars guidelines I am refraining from further commenting on this and I would advise professional help for yourself as to be honest your not very convincing.

    ENDEX


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    LOL this thread makes me giggle, apparantly the wing don't do Arctic warfare, they are just site seeing in Sweden, they don't do jungle warfare, so those trips to Belize and the northern territories in Oz were a waste of time, they don't do MFF, so all those HALO/HAHO training times in Sweden and here are money down the ****ter, oh and the best one, those 40 people they rescued without out firing a round in Liberia were obviously saved by the Paras:rolleyes:, should we all do the Walter Houston dance?

    BTW, if SAS selection is the be all/end all of things, why are there a certain goup of men in said unit called the "pathfinder patsies"?...those are guys who failed Pathfinder selection and then passed SAS selection.....hmmmmmm;)

    I'd put a winger up against any man in any unit anywhere, they don't bull****, they don't write books make crappy TV shows or any of that balls, they do their job and go home, this country should count itself lucky to have them, alot of others would give alot to have a unit like them...they have never failed us once in anything asked of them, that sure as **** is good enough for me.

    rant over,:o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    BTW what member of the British military would ever say the the RM's A&MC were "SF"?, there are only 3 SF units in the British military and any recruit would know that and would never say otherwise.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Flying


    LOL this thread makes me giggle, apparantly the wing don't do Arctic warfare, they are just site seeing in Sweden, they don't do jungle warfare, so those trips to Belize and the northern territories in Oz were a waste of time, they don't do MFF, so all those HALO/HAHO training times in Sweden and here are money down the ****ter, oh and the best one, those 40 people they rescued without out firing a round in Liberia were obviously saved by the Paras:rolleyes:, should we all do the Walter Houston dance?

    BTW, if SAS selection is the be all/end all of things, why are there a certain goup of men in said unit called the "pathfinder patsies"?...those are guys who failed Pathfinder selection and then passed SAS selection.....hmmmmmm;)

    I'd put a winger up against any man in any unit anywhere, they don't bull****, they don't write books make crappy TV shows or any of that balls, they do their job and go home, this country should count itself lucky to have them, alot of others would give alot to have a unit like them...they have never failed us once in anything asked of them, that sure as **** is good enough for me.

    rant over,:o


    I tend to agree and well put


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    BTW what member of the British military would ever say the the RM's A&MC were "SF"?, there are only 3 SF units in the British military and any recruit would know that and would never say otherwise.;)


    UK special Forces :

    SAS

    SBS

    SRR

    SFSG.......Have taken part in ops with the SAS, includes the Parachute regiment Pathfinders.

    Arctic and Mountain warfare cadre, are classed as Special Forces unit who specialise in the title.

    (Now called Mountain leader training cadre)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    UK special Forces :

    SAS

    SBS

    SRR

    SFSG.......Have taken part in ops with the SAS, includes the Parachute regiment Pathfinders.

    Arctic and Mountain warfare cadre, are classed as Special Forces unit who specialise in the title.

    (Now called Mountain leader training cadre)
    :rolleyes:, do you want a second...or is it 3rd go to get it right son?.....the SFSG were originally only going to be a light infantry unit, that changed and now the role they perform is closer to the Australian 4 RAR (commandos), but the SFSG is a SOF's not SF in the British terminology, similar to the way the Yanks have SF (only Green berets) and SMU's (special mission units (CAG,DEVGRU and a few others)everyone else is SOF or in the SEAL NSW, acronyms are fun aren't they?

    the Pathfinders are not part of the SFSG, why would they be, their role is to provide LRR and battlespace shaping functions for 16th AAB, not be buggering around doing DA ect

    and no the M&AWC/ML were never classed as SF, thats why they get SF pay at half rate, are they nails?, ****ing right they are even the shakies think that, but they are mearly considered an elite, take that up with the MOD if you like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    LOL this thread makes me giggle, apparantly the wing don't do Arctic warfare, they are just site seeing in Sweden, they don't do jungle warfare, so those trips to Belize and the northern territories in Oz were a waste of time, they don't do MFF, so all those HALO/HAHO training times in Sweden and here are money down the ****ter, oh and the best one, those 40 people they rescued without out firing a round in Liberia were obviously saved by the Paras:rolleyes:, should we all do the Walter Houston dance?

    BTW, if SAS selection is the be all/end all of things, why are there a certain goup of men in said unit called the "pathfinder patsies"?...those are guys who failed Pathfinder selection and then passed SAS selection.....hmmmmmm;)

    I'd put a winger up against any man in any unit anywhere, they don't bull****, they don't write books make crappy TV shows or any of that balls, they do their job and go home, this country should count itself lucky to have them, alot of others would give alot to have a unit like them...they have never failed us once in anything asked of them, that sure as **** is good enough for me.

    rant over,:o


    I very much doubt most rangers are trained in HALO.

    Liberia.......So the ARW freed some natives, no shots were fired.....What do you want medals ?

    If you knew anything you would know SAS selection is more demanding then Pathfinder selection, 50% of SAS members have previously served in the Pathfinders and Parachute regiment.


    As for rangers and arctic warfare training, the Nordic battle group is a joke with women infantry, its is hardly the same training as the mountain and arctic warfare cadre or even that Royal Marine commandos cold whether training.


    Who would want to read books about peace keeping ops ?

    As a unit they have never been involved in a conflict, putting rangers who have never been in conflict alongside senior SAS NCOs who have been in global conflicts throughout their careers, shows you don't have a clue about soldiering.


    It is IMPOSSIBLE for a unit less then 100 strong to be trained to decent standard in all thats claimed, it takes two years to became a specialist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    So you really have not clue what your on about so now it's random piss your spraying?....you know this walting bussiness is much better if you have done some homework, it makes you look less of the fool, but screw it, I love punishment, so I'm going to answer all your little foibles:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    :rolleyes:, do you want a second...or is it 3rd go to get it right son?.....the SFSG were originally only going to be a light infantry unit, that changed and now the role they perform is closer to the Australian 4 RAR (commandos), but the SFSG is a SOF's not SF in the British terminology, similar to the way the Yanks have SF (only Green berets) and SMU's (special mission units (CAG,DEVGRU and a few others)everyone else is SOF or in the SEAL NSW, acronyms are fun aren't they?

    the Pathfinders are not part of the SFSG, why would they be, their role is to provide LRR and battlespace shaping functions for 16th AAB, not be buggering around doing DA ect

    and no the M&AWC/ML were never classed as SF, thats why they get SF pay at half rate, are they nails?, ****ing right they are even the shakies think that, but they are mearly considered an elite, take that up with the MOD if you like.



    The SFSG take part in ops with the SAS they are a SF ops unit.


    The SFSG provides specialist infantry support to Special Forces, such as the SAS, anywhere in the world. With further training on additional weapons, communications equipment and specialist assault skills. Soldiers within the Parachute Regiment rotate through the SFSG during their careers to ensure that advanced military skills, found nowhere else in the infantry, are maintained throughout the 3 Battalions.

    The Pathfinders have supported the SAS as part of SFSG in many operations including Sierra Leone 2000 During Operation Palliser.

    As well as 21 and 23 SAS in medium and deep battlespace ISTAR and offensive operations.

    Do you not realise they are part of 16 Airbourne who support Special forces ops ?

    MAWC are classed as a specialised SF unit.



    "The Pathfinder Platoon

    16 Air Assault Brigade's Pathfinder Platoon are specially trained paratroopers tasked with advance force operations : moving in ahead of the main force, reconnoitering and marking the parachute drop zone or helicopter landing zone.

    The Pathfinder Platoon is tri-service although it is almost entirely manned by soldiers from 2 and 3 Battalions of The Parachute Regiment, who provide troops to 16 Air Assault Brigade.

    Pathfinders may be inserted up to a week ahead of the main force, usually in 4-man teams. The men of the pathfinder platoon are skilled in covert insertion, concealment and intelligence gathering. Pathfinder patrols may be parachuted or helicoptered into position. They may also insert by vehicles, usually heavily armed WMIK Land Rovers.

    Although not technically a special forces unit the levels of discipline and skills required of Pathfinders are close to if not entirely comparable to SF. Indeed, a stint in the pathfinders is often a good grounding for those wishing to serve in the Special Air Service.

    Pathfinders are highly skilled in insertion by parachute, including HALO and HAHO techniques. "


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    I very much doubt most rangers are trained in HALO.
    You think most of the SAS is trained in MFF, thats the term btw who civies say HALO, most Blades, (thats the term for badged SAS guys BTW, but you knew that already) do their basic para quals and never jump again, only the Air mobility guys do MFF regularly (some other guy too), and thats only 25% roughly of a sabre squadrons shooters

    Liberia.......So the ARW freed some natives, no shots were fired.....What do you want medals ?
    **** medals, any walt can have a medal, they had the gratitude of 40 people wo were being raped and murdered, if were rally a prick I'd point out that the SAS and 1 Para lost one guy and had 2 dozen wounded hitting a compound they had staked out for over a week in Sierra Leon, the wing carried out a similar mission pretty much on the fly, no injuries

    If you knew anything you would know SAS selection is more demanding then Pathfinder selection, 50% of SAS members have previously served in the Pathfinders and Parachute regiment.
    Tell that to the Patsies, they seems to have had it differently, and over 60% of all UKSF are Royals, does that mean they are better then Paras?

    As for rangers and arctic warfare training, the Nordic battle group is a joke with women infantry, its is hardly the same training as the mountain and arctic warfare cadre or even that Royal Marine commandos cold whether training.
    Who said anything about the BG?, the wing trains with Swedish SF, the SSG, guess who they regularly train with?

    Who would want to read books about peace keeping ops ?
    Son, I'd rather read 1 truthful book on one of our guys not even a Ranger doing his job PKing, then 1000 of "Mcnabbs" and "Ryans" over blown fiction BS

    As a unit they have never been involved in a conflict, putting rangers who have never been in conflict alongside senior SAS NCOs who have been in global conflicts throughout their careers, shows you don't have a clue about soldiering.
    WTF are you on about untill 9/11 most UKSF guys never saw combat either, there were guys with 20+ years badged who didn't see ****, why do you think so many were leaving, and they still don't see that much, their are 19 year old privates in the Anglians with far far more trigger time then most SF guys, are the Anglians SF now?

    It is IMPOSSIBLE for a unit less then 100 strong to be trained to decent standard in all thats claimed, it takes two years to became a specialist.
    The wing are not that much smaller then the SBS in numbers, would it be great if we had double, yeah it would, but like all guys at that level, only the few apply, even fewer make it.
    Time for me to work my Elvis magic, hold on princess, it's going to be a bumpy ride


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    The SFSG take part in ops with the SAS they are a SF ops unit.
    Nope, they are SOF, different, to be SF in the UK you must pass either UKSF selection or it's modified versions, which the SRR and 21/23 and the SBS(R) do

    The SFSG provides specialist infantry support to Special Forces, such as the SAS, anywhere in the world. With further training on additional weapons, communications equipment and specialist assault skills. Soldiers within the Parachute Regiment rotate through the SFSG during their careers to ensure that advanced military skills, found nowhere else in the infantry, are maintained throughout the 3 Battalions.
    Did I say anything anywhere that disagrees with that fact?

    The Pathfinders have supported the SAS and SFSG in many operations.
    So have the RAF regiment...point?

    Including 21 22 and 23 SAS in medium and deep battlespace ISTAR and offensive operations.

    Do you not realise they are part of 16 Airbourne who support Special forces ops ?
    What?....who is the "16 airbourne" when they are at home?, you mean 16th Air Assault Brigade, and no supporting SF is not one of their primier missiont set's, it's to be a light infantry intervention force

    MAWC are classed as a specialised SF unit.
    No they are not, I don't care what book/website/TV show told you that, but it's wrong, specialised yes, SF now, there are strict regulations laid down on this and they don't come under them, neither do the PF, the HAC, or the special ob's battery
    ............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    Pathfinder wrote: »



    "The Pathfinder Platoon

    16 Air Assault Brigade's Pathfinder Platoon are specially trained paratroopers tasked with advance force operations : moving in ahead of the main force, reconnoitering and marking the parachute drop zone or helicopter landing zone.

    The Pathfinder Platoon is tri-service although it is almost entirely manned by soldiers from 2 and 3 Battalions of The Parachute Regiment, who provide troops to 16 Air Assault Brigade.

    Pathfinders may be inserted up to a week ahead of the main force, usually in 4-man teams. The men of the pathfinder platoon are skilled in covert insertion, concealment and intelligence gathering. Pathfinder patrols may be parachuted or helicoptered into position. They may also insert by vehicles, usually heavily armed WMIK Land Rovers.

    Although not technically a special forces unit the levels of discipline and skills required of Pathfinders are close to if not entirely comparable to SF. Indeed, a stint in the pathfinders is often a good grounding for those wishing to serve in the Special Air Service.

    Pathfinders are highly skilled in insertion by parachute, including HALO and HAHO techniques. "
    Once again point?, it in fact say's they are not SF.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    Hope you have not gone away, I'm enjoying this, :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Time for me to work my Elvis magic, hold on princess, it's going to be a bumpy ride



    You are clueless, 50 % of SAS members come from the Paras, not knowing Pathfinders are part of 16 airbourne/air brigade and support SF ops shows you are clueless.

    Claiming most UK SF have never seen action when they have been fully stretched for 6 years, shows you are even more clueless.

    Claiming UK SF saw little active service before 9/11 when in the 90s they were involved in Iraq, Bosnia, NI, Sierra Leone (2000) and other places shows you are even more clueless.


    Sabre Squadrons in 22 SAS are all HALO qualified.

    But the biggest nonsense of all is claiming rangers are just trained as SAS troopers who are specialists.

    I doubt most rangers are even trained as signallers.



    ..................Btw was Elvis. please inform us what kit Rangers carry on selection and how long Tabs are ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭muletide


    Although I find this all very funny. I feel its time to close it. This sort of carry on is embarrassing to any professional soldiers (not you pathfinder). Unfortunately this guy's fantasies and trolling are having the desired effect and dragging some good men down to his level.

    So before this forum becomes the laughing stock of Boards.ie - Mods close it please.


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    Pathfinder wrote: »
    You are clueless, 50 % of SAS members come from the Paras, not knowing Pathfinders are part of 16 airbourne/air brigade and support SF ops shows you are clueless.

    Claiming most UK SF have never seen action when they have been fully stretched for 6 years, shows you are even more clueless.

    Claiming UK SF saw little active service before 9/11 when in the 90s they were involved in Iraq, Bosnia, NI, Sierra Leone (2000) and other places shows you are even more clueless.


    Sabre Squadrons in 22 SAS are all HALO qualified.

    But the biggest nonsense of all claiming rangers are just trained as SAS troopers who are specialists.

    I can prove you're a walt. You continuely spell "airborne" wrong! Christ, if you were a para you would know how to spell that word!

    And it's 16 air assualt! Come on!! Your supposed mob is in the brigade!

    Having said that, I do agree with your statement on the operational history of UKSF pre A-stan and Iraq.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    You are cluelees, 50 % of SAS members come from the Paras, not knowing Pathfinders are part of 16 airbourne and support SF ops shows you are clueless.Actually about 58% of the SAS are Para,s but that was not my point, I said UKSF, thats SAS, which some Royals do go to, the SBS, virtually all Roayls, and the SRR, which some also go to, so it come out that there are more Royals in UKSF then Paras,

    Claiming most UK SF have never seen action when they have been fully stretched for 6 years, shows you are even more clueless.
    You mixing up "action" with "mission", do you think they put down rounds every time they go out, thats a lousy way to ran a covert recce isn't it, christ they sent 70 men from 1 squadron to take a heroin production plant out in Astan, just to give them something to do, a job that should have been done by the Paras/royals
    Claiming UK SF saw little active service before 9/11 when in the 90s they were involved in Iraq, Bosnia, NI, Sierra Leone (2000) and other places shows you are even more clueless.And how much "action" do you think there was to be had between 91 and 2001, they had a few dust ups, about an hours worth of rounds down range, were all several hundred SAS guys there at all those events to get blooded?


    Sabre Squadrons in 22 SAS are all HALO qualified.
    Nope
    But the biggest nonsense of all claiming rangers are just trained as SAS troopers who are specialists.
    Specialists at what?, CP, Rangers do that, CT/HR, Rangers do that, combat swimming?, Rangers do that, what Ninja skills do the SAS know that know one else does?, this should be good
    LOL....ok once more


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    I can prove you're a walt. You continuely spell "airborne" wrong! Christ, if you were a para you would know how to spell that word!

    And it's 16 air assualt! Come on!! Your supposed mob is in the brigade!

    Having said that, I do agree with your statement on the operational history of UKSF pre A-stan and Iraq.


    16 air assault was only created in 99, long after I had left, I cant help it if I'm a poor speller.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Thread closed ovrnight.

    This is turning into a train wreck.

    Please let there be no muppetry tomorrow.

    / Thread Reopened.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    I know this is off the point but why is info about the ARW possibly going to Chad being released? I thought they tended to keep things hush though their presence in other missions has been declared in the past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    I know this is off the point but why is info about the ARW possibly going to Chad being released? I thought they tended to keep things hush though their presence in other missions has been declared in the past.

    I guess its so that people know they are doing something.

    And To let people know the Irish Regs will be grand cos the Rangers will sort the place out first.

    Or just to sound cool really. The government are sending our best over and they want people to know we are class.

    Thats my 2 cents.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Oilrig


    I've worked with Kiwis who have been deployed with our Rangers.

    The message from these (Kiwis) guys is that the ARW are serious operators.

    East Timor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 476 ✭✭cp251


    Look guys, Irish soldiers have a serious reputation over the years in many armies. We have nothing to be ashamed of. The SAS always had Irish. Just because the ARW never have never been really tested yet doesn't mean they won't come good on the day. They may or may not be the equal of SF in other arms. But the Irish soldier should never be underestimated.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    cp251 wrote: »
    Look guys, Irish soldiers have a serious reputation over the years in many armies. We have nothing to be ashamed of. The SAS always had Irish. Just because the ARW never have never been really tested yet doesn't mean they won't come good on the day. They may or may not be the equal of SF in other arms. But the Irish soldier should never be underestimated.

    Amen!! Well said!

    Also, who could forget Blair "Paddy" Maine anyway!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Oilrig


    "But the Irish soldier should never be underestimated."

    ... Hmmm

    I believe the ARW are top notch,

    on the other hand, comparing Paddy to other NATO forces, he just doesn't have the experience, equipment and systems to be a serious force.

    My point being that we cannot deploy a Battlegroup with our existing assets.

    We rely on our personality... something that other forces don't have. Personality doesn't kill the enemy

    I have serious doubts about our alignment to the Nordic countries... my experience with these guys is that they are dreamers.

    If we want to be serious we need to work with the Brits


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,456 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    Has anyone get the physical selection for the Navy Seals, Delta Force and Spetsnaz


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Oilrig wrote: »
    on the other hand, comparing Paddy to other NATO forces
    Please try to make your point without the derogatory "Paddy" comments. Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    Riddle101 wrote: »
    Has anyone get the physical selection for the Navy Seals, Delta Force and Spetsnaz

    google ''Navy SEAL selection'' and you will eventually get what you are looking for.Delta Force..I don't think there's much hope there..Spetsnaz..not a clue!:o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    Riddle101 wrote: »
    Has anyone get the physical selection for the Navy Seals, Delta Force and Spetsnaz
    The SEAL's BUD/S and what it involves is out there on the web, just a grinder really, cold water, long days, large men shouting at you some nav, CAG, is different, more psychological, long yomps, navigations, interviews with psychologists ect ect, which "spetnaz"?....there are about 40 of them all doing different things:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    The SEAL's BUD/S and what it involves is out there on the web, just a grinder really, cold water, long days, large men shouting at you some nav, CAG, is different, more psychological, long yomps, navigations, interviews with psychologists ect ect, which "spetnaz"?....there are about 40 of them all doing different things:eek:



    No SEAL selection involves hell week, a week of exercises which take place on a beach, mainly involving repetitive execises, no Yomps are involved.

    Delta Force(selection is for Green berets and rangers only) selection is based upon the same selection as the SAS, as thats who the unit works with and is based upon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    No SEAL selection involves hell week, a week of exercises which take place on a beach, mainly involving repetitive execises, no Yomps are involved.

    Delta Force(selection is for Green berets and rangers only) selection is based upon the same selection as the SAS, as thats who the unit works with and is based upon.
    Almost correct;) BUD/S involves the beach and water virtually every Day, on the Day's your not in the water or the sand, your with your boat team on a CRRC, or your on the assault course, or in the sheep pit, Hell week, is basically everyone being kept awake and working hard for 6 Days with about 3-4 hours sleep the whole week, your right about the yomping, that only starts really happening after BUD/S in SQT to earn your Budweiser

    Nope, CAG(insert name of the week) selection is open to anyone not just green beanies and Rangers, they have briefing's at every major Army post and base looking for guy's, they even have ad's in newspapers, lot's of publicity for the unit that does not exist:eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    Almost correct;) BUD/S involves the beach and water virtually every Day, on the Day's your not in the water or the sand, your with your boat team on a CRRC, or your on the assault course, or in the sheep pit, Hell week, is basically everyone being kept awake and working hard for 6 Days with about 3-4 hours sleep the whole week, your right about the yomping, that only starts really happening after BUD/S in SQT to earn your Budweiser

    Nope, CAG(insert name of the week) selection is open to anyone not just green beanies and Rangers, they have briefing's at every major Army post and base looking for guy's, they even have ad's in newspapers, lot's of publicity for the unit that does not exist:eek:

    Most Delta force come from the rangers and green berets, although technically open to other US army units, its unlike many candidates are selected.

    Recruitment and training
    Most recruits come from the United States Army Special Forces (the Green Berets) and the 75th Ranger Regiment. Not just anyone can become a Delta operator; personnel must attend a Delta briefing at Fort Bragg to be even considered for admission. Since the 1990s, the Army has posted recruitment notices for the 1st SFOD-D [7], which many believe refers to Delta Force. The Army, however, has never released an official fact sheet for the force. The recruitment notices placed in Fort Bragg's newspaper, Paraglide, refer to Delta Force by name, and label it "...the Department of Defense's highest priority unit..." [8]. The notice states that all applicants must be males, 22 years or older, have a general technical score of 110 or higher, and be in the ranks of E-5 through E-8, with at least four and a half years in service.
    Such recruits are men with skills such as proficiency in a foreign language or other desirable traits. The selection process is based on the UK SAS model [9][10].


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    Most Delta force come from the rangers.

    Recruitment and training
    Most recruits come from the United States Army Special Forces (the Green Berets) and the 75th Ranger Regiment. Not just anyone can become a Delta operator; personnel must attend a Delta briefing at Fort Bragg to be even considered for admission. Since the 1990s, the Army has posted recruitment notices for the 1st SFOD-D [7], which many believe refers to Delta Force. The Army, however, has never released an official fact sheet for the force. The recruitment notices placed in Fort Bragg's newspaper, Paraglide, refer to Delta Force by name, and label it "...the Department of Defense's highest priority unit..." [8]. The notice states that all applicants must be males, 22 years or older, have a general technical score of 110 or higher, and be in the ranks of E-5 through E-8, with at least four and a half years in service.
    Such recruits are men with skills such as proficiency in a foreign language or other desirable traits. The selection process is based on the UK SAS model [9][10].
    I thought I said that?.....:confused: they often send guy's to the UK on courses or to run UKSFS some year's.....go to any pub around Credenhill and look for the Americans, you can't miss them.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭elvis jaffacake


    wait looking back I left a bit out, I meant to say "a large chunk of guys do come from the Greenies and Rangers" sorry should have made myself clearer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Quis Separabit


    SEAL selection while obviously very physcially demanding has one flaw, its based on over repetitive group physical exercises and tests do not involve enough initiative testing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Norwayviking


    I have serious doubts about our alignment to the Nordic countries... my experience with these guys is that they are dreamers.

    [/QUOTE]

    Dreamers!!!Thats one i have never heard before.
    Maybe you can fill me in on that one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Jesus, I just reread some of the posts I made on here 2 years ago! :o I sounded like a twat :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Norwayviking


    Jesus, I just reread some of the posts I made on here 2 years ago! :o I sounded like a twat :o


    he he
    I guess we all mature as we get older.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    he he
    I guess we all mature as we get older.

    Oh, I haven't matured, my opinions have just become alot less retarded! haha.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 766 ✭✭✭Norwayviking


    Oh, I haven't matured, my opinions have just become alot less retarded! haha.

    he he he ok i guess some of that too then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭NoQuarter


    Jesus, pathfinder, do ya remember that pr1ck!!!


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