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Smart-card reader on 16A

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  • #52
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,188 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    CIE won’t buy flat fares, because it makes too much sense and they will loose too much. They never took to "time based" interchangeable commuter tickets which has been the norm throughout Europe transit systems for decades.

    Travel 90

    Yes I know its buses only, but, precedent is there.


  • #53
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    MYOB wrote: »
    Travel 90

    Yes I know its buses only, but, precedent is there.
    Just shows how long ago since I have used busses.


  • #54
    dazberry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭dazberry


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    BUT But but ...to return to Smart Cards (Irish Style)

    Well that's the catch really, "Smart Cards (Irish Style)". There's nothing smart about any of these cards - they're prepaid "credit" cards - like the old eircom phone cards. Convenient in that you don't have to carry cash - absolutely, maybe save 5/10/15c here or there - a bonus - but lets bring this back to brass tacs for a minute.

    I have a Luas smart card, AFAIK it charges me €1.75 for 3 zones on the Red line. Lets imagine for one minute that it was a nice card - so one day - outside my regular once a day usage I use 3 x €1.75 and exceed - €5.00 - imagine in a Lennonseque way that my nice card said to itself - "well there's a flexi ticket that's €5.00 per day so your daily fare will now be capped at €5 thank you please". Imagine doing this 3 or 4 days in a row (either with a running total or capped values) and once I hit €18.00 my card says, well there's a weekly combi - so you get the next 3 days free. Nice.

    So I'm on the bus with my new DB nice card, and I hop into town in the 8-13 stage structure at €1.70. So I hop on another bus within 90 minutes, and my card says to itself - "well this is within the realms of travel 90" and so lets be nice and not charge for the second journey, or any "tag on" in the 90 minute period - Nice.

    Ok, so we have credit cards, and my newly termed nice cards. I'm purposely using the term nice. So lets look at my take on a smart card - because its transport agnostic.

    Well first I travel into town on the Luas at 1.75. Within 90 minutes I tag on a 51b/c/68/69 and tag off within the Luas zone 3. My smart card sees that the cheapest option here is the travel 90 and at best refunds me 5c, at worst doesn't charge me for the second journey within the scope of travel 90. Smart.

    So say I pop into town in the 8-13 stage fare - and plan to continue out to Howth but I miss the 90 minute window - so my second journey is 13+ stages at £2.00 Bus or €2.10 Dart. Instead of going on the complete lash with my mate Steve in Howth - I decide to hop back on the 22.55 DART to Connolly at €2.10. At this point its €1.70+€2.00+€2.10 = €5.80. So I hop off the DART full of beer, run into the horrible jacks in Connolly, then down and tag on the Luas, and finally tag off in Zone 3. Well being smart my Luas trip is free under travel 90 rules - a daily total of €5.80.

    Can we do better? Well say the €5.00 daily flexi ticket applies to all "medium" (within those zones) - well my daily total doesn't exceed €5, my €2.10 DART is only €1.30 and my LUAS is free.

    Ok, maybe there's a €6.00 daily flexi ticket and I don't meet it because of the last travel 90, but because I've spent €18 in the last week after my first trip that I get the rest of the day "for free" under the concept of a weekly ticket.

    There's really so much that could be done here - my examples are a bit disjointed and pretty linear at that and I haven't messed with fair structures - but there are really so many opportunities here if ppl really bothered to look.

    D.


  • #55
    Michael Collins
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,852 Mod ✭✭✭✭Michael Collins


    That's exactly the way it should be, I think that's how it works in London ain't it? If you could have gotten the journey cheaper using a special ticket it will retrospectively give you that ticket instead of individual fare prices. It just seems so far away given we can't even get the basics of integrated ticketing right...

    We'll be lucky if here we're even just informed by the system that you "could" have gotten it cheaper by getting a special weekly ticket or whatever. They'll probably want to keep it a secret...
    dazberry wrote: »
    ...I decide to hop back on the 22.55 DART to Connolly at €2.10. At this point its €1.70+€2.00+€2.10 = €5.80. So I hop off the DART full of beer, run into the horrible jacks in Connolly, then down and tag on the Luas, and finally tag off in Zone 3...

    You remembered to tag-off after all that beer?


  • #56
    dazberry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭dazberry


    Michael Collins wrote: »
    You remembered to tag-off after all that beer?

    hehe yeah - its become such a habit that I've always managed to tag off the Luas regardless of the level of beer in my system :) The readers are (at my stop) really poorly positioned, so the third door from the top lines up with the reader - so if I'm anyway further up the tram (normally) I need to walk back to the reader.

    D.


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