How does it take 13 monkeys to hire a manager? Answer 113 days

Mental Mickey

shane86 wrote: »

Trapo was the most credible rumour yet. Unfortunately I get the feeling Tel is still in the running, and I wouldnt be surprised if it was him.

Either way, I dont think we will see the new man in the crowd Wednesday night.


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Vokes

Would be happy with El Trap (& maybe Liam as an assistant). Wouldn't mind his defensive-style football if it meant we qualified for WC.

Mental Mickey

Tauren wrote: »

Yah, but McClaren was right hand man to fergie when United won the Treble.... so..erm....whatever.

Venables wasn't in charge of Englands failure, in the exact same way Robson was never in charge of Irelands failure.

He may not have been in charge, but he was involved. Which is enough to get the alarm bells ringing imo.

Mitch Connor

Mental Mickey wrote: »

He may not have been in charge, but he was involved. Which is enough to get the alarm bells ringing imo.

So if a player like Terry, or Rooney, or Gerrard, or Hargreaves turned out to be irish you wouldn't want them playing for Ireland - cause they were involved in the England failure.

Basically, we have no idea what so ever what his actual involvement in decision making was - we don't know how much to blame he was for what happened with england.

Mental Mickey

Tauren wrote: »

So if a player like Terry, or Rooney, or Gerrard, or Hargreaves turned out to be irish you wouldn't want them playing for Ireland - cause they were involved in the England failure.

Basically, we have no idea what so ever what his actual involvement in decision making was - we don't know how much to blame he was for what happened with england.

I'm talking about Venables, not any of the players.


:rolleyes:

kincsem

Its time to back anyone at 500+ on betfair that is not currently in a job.

Mental Mickey

kincsem wrote: »

Its time to back anyone at 500+ on betfair that is not currently in a job.

shane86

SofaKing wrote: »

Would be happy with El Trap (& maybe Liam as an assistant). Wouldn't mind his defensive-style football if it meant we qualified for WC.

Indeed. International football is not the prem. Its not necessarily about playing fast paced high tempo football. The prem is. Thats why the prem is a form of entertainment that foreigners (particularly Irish people) with zero connection to the cities involved enjoy watching. Internationals are a form of national pride. Internationals are about getting 3 points. If those 3 points are gained by scoring in the first 3 minutes and then doing **** all bar blocking attacks, so be it. That was our most catastrophic failure in Slovakia. As it hit the 85th minute pretty much everyone should have moved back.

Mental Mickey

Forgive me if I'm repeating stuff that may have already been mentioned here, but maybe the reason why the FAI want more time, is to let El Trap negotiate his severance from his current club........?

Unearthly

Or he could of said no and they are back to square 1

Mental Mickey

Unearthly wrote: »

Or he could of said no and they are back to square 1

True.......but if they're going to have to look for another man, surely it would take more than 10 days, which is when the next announcement is due.

shane86

Mental Mickey wrote: »

True.......but if they're going to have to look for another man, surely it would take more than 10 days, which is when the next announcement is due.

We were due a manager in time for Brazil.

Cancelled.

We were due an announcement this weekend.

Cancelled.

Gwan kingmakers, do the hatrick. Drag it to August. re hire Stan after 53 false "imminent announcements" throughout Spring and Summer. Because if you re hire Stan in August people will be glad to have a manager full stop.

Chardee MacDennis

Farcical FAI Reality Show-Style Manager Hunt

i could imagine it on RTE, billed as an "Arrested Development" style tv show...

darkman2

Chatsoccer

FAI made illegal approach to Trapattoni?
Sunday, 03 February 2008
The FAI is tonight faced with a possible charge from UEFA regarding what could be considered as an illegal approach to Red Bull Salzburg coach Giovanni Trapattoni. Trapattoni has recently emerged as a strong favourite to replace Stephen Staunton as Ireland manager but doubts remain as to whether protocols were adhered to when the committee tasked with finding a successor to the Louthman approached the Italian.
Should the club protest, the FAI may suffer financial penalties as well as a dent to it's reputation amongst European clubs.

UEFA has strict rules regarding the conduct of negotiations with regard to both managers and players, and if the FAI is is found to be in contravention of these rules, heavy penalties may be incurred. It is not thought at this stage that points deductions may be possible, but heavy financial penalties may await if the Association is found guilty of an illegal approach.

In another serious development in the race to succeed Staunton, a senior player has apparently attacked those threatening retirement should Terry Venables not be appointed. The player in question has been a stalwart in the green jersey in the last few years and is believed to be very disappointed with those who suggest that they no longer wish to represent Ireland at senior level. He appears to be convinced that Irish players should wait until after the new manager is appointed until making a decision, and that any player priveleged enough to be called should answer that call. His name will be withheld until such time as chatsoccer can confirm that he is willing to have his comments on the record.

:D:D This just gets better and better - in a comical way of course:mad::mad:

PHB

The FAI never actually fired Stan. Too much compensation. Instead they have kept him on, and are fuffing around so when he does come back, he'll be slightly more popular

secman

Listened to Don Givens interview," having played against brazil , he cannot wait to manage against them ", So was he really focused on getting a man in for the Brazil game, like **** he was ! Whole new meaning for imminent -- 10 Days !!!!

10 Man Committee:

John Delaney CEO Accountant Waterford Utd through his old man Joe Delaney
David Blood President -- United Churches League ... jesus wept
Paddy McCaul Vice Pres ex Athlone town... local hotelier
Michael Cody Hon Sec retired FBD ins. worker
Eddie Murray Ex Garda, Ex Monaghon Utd
Eamonn Naughton Eircom League Chairman HSE worker, Galway Utd
Jim McConnell .. Ulster FA rep
Milo Corcoran Chairman Int. Committee, Ex Heinekan rep, ex Waterford, Delaney puppet.
Padraic Treanor, Banker ( I said Banker) United Churches League.. jesus wept
Donal Conway Teacher., Schoolboy FAI rep

So there you have it, Not one bleedin footballer, only Dublin reps are from Mickey Mouse League, United Churches League

What do we expect ? It needs drastic overhauling, Govt have to make them an illegal Organisation, start from scratch,

I give up ..........................

Secman

BaZmO*

Richard Dunne speaks out...

Republic of Ireland defender Richard Dunne has said that he is "annoyed" at the length of time it is taking to find a successor to Steve Staunton.

Dunne made the comments after being named the Republic's player of the year in Dublin on Sunday evening.

"The players want to know who is (going to be manager) and get some sort of plan going for the next two years," said the Manchester City player.

Dunne suggested that he believed Terry Venables should get the job.

Former Italy boss Giovanni Trapattoni is now understood to be the FAI's preferred choice for the position.

Venables remains in contention although he is believed to be unhappy at the length of the process.

"Personally, I'd probably prefer somebody we can communicate with, being Venables," added Dunne.

"I don't know how good Trapattoni's English is and we only have two games after this one (Wednesday's game against Brazil) before the start of the World Cup campaign.

"We need somebody who can get his point across very quickly."

Dunne also suggested that he was concerned that the confusion over the identity of the next manager could lead other players into questioning their international future.

"I know there is, so it needs to be sorted out before more people go the way of Steve Finnan and Andy O'Brien."

Finnan announced his international retirement last month while O'Brien called time on his Republic career over the weekend.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/7226143.stm

darkman2

Since when do professional players select their own manager?


Maybe he should just shut up at least in public. This gets more embarrasing everytime someone opens their mouth.

At least we know who to blame if we get Venables.

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Now, Dunne isn't the first to say he'd like Venables.

Doyle, Keane, Shay Given and probably some others. Isn't that right?

There is one of two things happening here.

1. The players do actually want El Tel.

If so, why not appoint him? If the players want him, really want him, then they'll play for him.

2. The players are part of the FAI Conspiracy, and are either being paid off, or worse, to say these things.

Which is it?

darkman2

DesF wrote: »

If the players want him, really want him, then they'll play for him.

Like Steve Staunton? You know - 'the gaffer'....

LuckyLloyd

Oh dear. We may be getting El Tel and his 'little schemes' after all.

missingtime

Would El Tel do a good job though? What are his tactics like?

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darkman2 wrote: »

Like Steve Staunton? You know - 'the gaffer'....

I don't remember ANY player coming out and saying they'd like Staunton before he got the job, did they?

LuckyLloyd

missingtime wrote: »

Would El Tel do a good job though? What are his tactics like?

A few pages back I posted his managerial record in detail since Euro 2006. Since then he has failed and been sacked from a number of jobs, screwing up particularly badly at Leeds and Crystal Palace. He WAS a great manager, but you will be crossing your fingers that he finds something that has seemingly been long forgotten.

Trapatonni qualified Italy for WC 2002 and EC 2004 (even if that is a given) and won the Austrian league last year with his current club, Salzburg. He has had success in the game more recently. And his overall record dwarfs El Tel anyway in terms of what he did in the game as a manager when he was in his prime.

lordgoat

DesF wrote: »

I don't remember ANY player coming out and saying they'd like Staunton before he got the job, did they?

I often thought of this before but never posted it. I can't remember any player seeming even remotely excited by the prospect of Stan as manager. Same for most fans too.

From the new list i suppose i'd like Von Trappe. Simply as i'd like to see some organisation and cohesion between the players. Make them look like a team that knows what they are doing.

In reality i think it will be El Tel, simply as he would be the cheapest option and that's what we always get from the FAI.

missingtime

Its dissapointing the Dunne has come out with language barrier being an issue. Obviously it's important but I feel he should have kept his mouth shut on that one

Unearthly

DesF wrote: »

I don't remember ANY player coming out and saying they'd like Staunton before he got the job, did they?

If I remember correctly, Staunton appointment came out of nowhere

It was like

Person 1 "Staunton is now favourite to be new manager"

Person 2 "what? "

Then......BANG

No time for players to respond.

BaZmO*

missingtime wrote: »

Its dissapointing the Dunne has come out with language barrier being an issue. Obviously it's important but I feel he should have kept his mouth shut on that one

But things like this happens when it takes over 3 months to appoint a new manager.

darkman2

Funny.

Confucius say, shut your Trap or duck

Tom Humphries

Locker Room : Isn't it odd when you believe something to be true in your head without ever examining it and then hold the belief up to the light and just burst out laughing.

When I was growing up, for instance, I believed that my favourite song by the Ramones was a subversive little number called I Wanna Piece of Cake . As in: Twenty-twenty-twenty four hours to go/I wanna piece of cake/Nothin' to do and no where to go-o-oh/I wanna piece of cake.

It took till when I grew to an age where I had become depressingly sentimental enough about the music of my youth to buy my first Ramones album to find that the song was actually called I Wanna Be Sedated . Well, that too.

I had a friend who would chime in happily whenever The Eagles launched into one of their big hits, "Desperado, why don't you come to your senses? You've been outright offensive, for so long - now."

It took quite a while to persuade him that the lyric actually stated, "you've been out riding fences."

It was cruel but, hey, he had to be told; it's a doggie dog world after all.

I mention these things because I was going to begin today's column (yet again!) with a quote from Confucius.

I mean is there any aspect of the FAI's manifold endeavours and escapades that Confucius did not chart and consider?

Oddly though, when I typed out the shiny little pearl of wisdom and appended the attribution to old Con, I realised I am a halfwit.

I still believe it to be quite true that "a peasant will stand on the top of a hill for a very long time with his mouth open before a roast duck will fly in", but will concede that it is a thought which is unlikely to have been expressed or indeed texted by Confucius, who lived from 551 to 479 BC, not a notably good era for roast duck.

Still, I like the roast-duck proverb and wonder if the Football Association of Ireland aren't the peasant who stood on the hill for a long time with their mouths hanging slackly only for an elderly Italian duck, ready roasted and lean, to fly in.

Are we to believe that after an epic selection process - which in fairness only the FAI could have staged with such comedic panache - we may be on the brink of appointing a manager who has (possibly quite literally) forgotten more about coaching than any of the other candidates mentioned will ever know?

The Geezer has nine league titles won in four different countries, a European Cup, a Cup Winners' Cup, three Uefa Cups, the European Super Cup and two Italian Cups.

The last league title was won last year in Austria.

I am willing to concede that winning the Austrian league title is possibly no greater a feat than winning the O'Byrne Cup, but you can only beat what you play, and the triumph suggests a mind still in love with the game.

Trappa may be 68 and his last Serie A title may have been won in 1989 (when did we get so sniffy about this? Venables's last title of any sort was in 1985) but in the last 11 years he has won a German, Portuguese and Austrian title as well as managing Italy (cough, cough, not too successfully) at the World Cup of 2002 and the Euro Championships of 2004.

He choked himself with caution on each occasion, having got the Italians there, but bounced back after his departure to lead Benfica to their first Super Liga title in 11 seasons.

If he is still as engaged by football and as energetically lucid about it as his results suggest we are at an intriguing moment in Irish football history.

Two questions hang in the air. He's 68 and a legend. Why in the name of all that is profane would he want to get into bed with the FAI? And, uhm, has he met our players, our cellar-load of whines that don't improve with age?

Forced to consider these things, I find myself suddenly and ardently pro-Trapattoni.

If I am to go on in this job I need Giovanni. I have lived as a hack through the late Charlton era and the scoreless draw in Liechtenstein. I have survived Saipan and been at hand for the crucifixion of Brian Kerr and the disintegration of The Gaffer. I, a gnarled, hoary old veteran like Trappa himself, have seen it all.

Still I am mesmerised by Giovanni. He is the future. Honestly, after all these years I thought I had forever lost the heart for managers' post-match press conferences. Cliches, I am sure, are only supposed to be taken as part of a balanced diet, but I have consumed so many as to become toxic.

But hark. Trapattoni promises to be instantly entertaining. You have to check out one of his greatest hits (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqp64q7khmw) to realise that this is what we all need. This is what the Italians would call primo press conference.

At one point in this wonderful operatic rant Trappa denounces his players at Bayern for complaining more than they play. This alone would be manna from heaven at any press conference in Croke Park, but then, uniquely and brilliantly, Trapattoni goes on to name names!

You might argue that this was 10 years ago and that at 68 perhaps the great man's fires have gone out. Stop. Desist. Everything you know is wrong.

While you are on YouTube check out the stylings of Trappa's 2007 monster hit as manager of Red Bull Salzburg. The mere translation of it here denies you a key theatrical dimension but is well worth a go.

"Our training is strong," says Trappa as part of his lively soliloquy, "is modern. Training wins also. I have 21 trophies. There is blah, blah, blah from you. Fools write who know nothing. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

"I can understand people paying. No problayma. Let whistle. Is right. Have lost. But run 90 minutes! I am a professional in psychology. We train, make fitness. You people always make qua, qua, qua. **** fools!"

So true. We always make qua, qua qua. And in the business of guessing a new manager we have made more qua, qua, qua than in living memory.

I personally have taken colleagues at their word again and again, and if Trappa turns out to be something more than the latest exotic rumour to play the strip the modest sum I will collect at the bookies is offset by large losing bets on Roy Hodgson, Martin Jol, Philippe Troussier, Graeme Souness, El Tel, El Cordoba, LL Cool J, Billy Davies, Billy No Mates, Liam Brady, Gezza Houllier, Gilesie, Glenn Hoddle, Big Sam, Fat Sam, Son of Sam, Big Mick, Jean Tigana, Lawrie Sanchez, Didier Deschamps, Didier Desrunnersup, Paul Jewell, Big Ron, a long-shot punt on the dream team of Aldo and Stapo and several get-out bets on assorted rinky-dinks whose names I have been asked to keep confidential for the sake of my own dignity.

We are peasants. We have been standing on the hill for a long time with our cakeholes open. Either a spiv or a roast duck is about to fly in. Suddenly I am not indifferent anymore.
© 2008 The Irish Times

Y2J_MUFC

missingtime wrote: »

Its dissapointing the Dunne has come out with language barrier being an issue. Obviously it's important but I feel he should have kept his mouth shut on that one

You'd think, as captain that he would want to get behind the manager from the off. Not whine about him not speaking english. It looks like its Venables vs Trappatoni. Out of 64 people in the poll, not one said they wanted Venables. Yet he is one of the final two. What a shower of muppets. Don Givens and Ray Houghton... not a braincell between them.

TheBigLebowski

I've just had a great idea for a play as a follow up to 'I Keano'...

The 3 "wise" men looking for their little miracle and all that. Maybe following a star which has a talking Delaney face on it.

This time next year I'll be a millionaire.

What gifts would each of them bring though?

~Rebel~

Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

You'd think, as captain that he would want to get behind the manager from the off. Not whine about him not speaking english.

Robbie Keane is the captain..

tdv

DesF wrote: »

Now, Dunne isn't the first to say he'd like Venables.

Doyle, Keane, Shay Given and probably some others. Isn't that right?
There is one of two things happening here.

1. The players do actually want El Tel.

If so, why not appoint him? If the players want him, really want him, then they'll play for him.

2. The players are part of the FAI Conspiracy, and are either being paid off, or worse, to say these things.

Which is it?

But I cant understand how any of these players would know they'd like Venables seeing as how none of them have ever been managed by him or had anything to do with him.

Duff said something like... someone at Newcastle who used to play for El Tel(I forget who) said that he & the lads would really enjoy playing for him. I mean wtf?

Maybe the players are just stupid. They always come off a bit doppy in interviews. Do they even know who Trapattoni is? I mean what type of idoit would pass the chance to be managed by one of the greatest managers of all time just because they might have a better laugh with EL Tel.

The whole thing is just ughhhhhhhhhh.

darkman2

BBC:

Republic may face Trapattoni wait

Trapattoni and Venables are regarded as leading contenders
Austrian club FC Salzburg insist that Republic of Ireland target Giovanni Trapattoni will remain at the club until the end of this season.
Trapattoni is now understood to be the Football Association of Ireland's first choice for the manager's post vacated by Steve Staunton last October.

"His contract finishes at the end of the season," FC Salzburg spokesman Thomas Blazek told the BBC on Monday.

"He will be fulfilling his contract. After that, we will see what happens."

The FC Salzburg official added that Trapattoni had assured the club that he would honour his contract.

"We are just concentrating on the winning of the (Austrian) title for the second time in a row," added Blazek.

"That's what Trapattoni wants and nothing else. There is nothing else to say at this time."

On the face of it, that wouldn't rule the Italian out of contention for the Republic job because the Irish do not have a competitive fixture until their opening World Cup qualifier against Georgia on 6 September.

At the moment, the Republic are scheduled to play only three games before the World Cup qualifiers.

After Wednesday's friendly against Brazil, they face Serbia at Croke Park on 26 May and will take on Norway in Oslo in August.



However, if Trapattoni insisted on seeing out his contract with the current Austrian League champions, then the FAI would have to decide whether they were happy to leave Don Givens in caretaker charge until the summer.

On Sunday night, the selection panel set up to recruit a new Republic boss said that it needed another 10 days to complete its work.

Don Givens, Don Howe and Ray Houghton are expected to hold further discussions with Trapattoni to ascertain his position but the job appears to be the Italian's if he wants it.

Terry Venables remains in contention although he is believed to be unhappy at the length of the process.

dbnavan

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

I've just had a great idea for a play as a follow up to 'I Keano'...

The 3 "wise" men looking for their little miracle and all that. Maybe following a star which has a talking Delaney face on it.

This time next year I'll be a millionaire.

What gifts would each of them bring though?

They could each bring books

Recruitment for Dummies
How not to waste a million
An Italian linguaphone

Villain

Perhaps the players want El Tel because they know he can speak English and will know the top players, i.e. thats why the big names have come out said they would like El Tel, Dunne pretty much said that in his interview.

That or the players are afraid of their lives who they might get if its not Venables. I personally don't like Venabled BUT he has the kind of expeirence we need i.e. international expierence England may not have been hugely successful while he was involved but you can be sure the FA setup is far ahead of the FAI and having someone with expierence of such setup can only be an advantage and most ex pro's I have heard talk about have said he is an excellent coach and god knows we need coaching as a team. I'm not saying I want Venables but he has the type of expierence we want.

So many people that think they know soccer have talked crap about Premier League managers, managing at International level is very different sadly most people seem to think the Premier League is the be all and end all of soccer in the world.

shayser

Matt Cooper was saying this evening that he heard the selection committee had decided on Venables but Delaney said eh not so fast lads, I've been talking to Trapatoni.

gosplan

Trapatoni would be amazing, really as good as we could hope for. For these jokers to come out of such a farcical process with a manager like him just beggars belief.

I'd say part of the players comments about El Tel result from getting lumped wiht the Drogheda mongoloid the last time around.

Surprised at Dunne though. He may have a reason for liking El Tel but what player wouldn't like to play under Trapatoni? I mean half the season he's harping on about working under Sven and the change and professionalism and European manager and all that and then he only wants native English speakers???

Dr Galen

would we be happy to wait for Trapp?

i dunno, it'd be around June before he'd be in charge properly. Not a lot of time to get around and see our players before the competitive games start in Sept. Also doesn't give much time for him to try out new players or systems in the friendlys.

Mental Mickey

Just heard on Today FM news that his current club don't want him to leave until the end of the season.

I bet they'll change their minds if the FAI waves enough compo in their faces!?

tdv

nurse_baz wrote: »

would we be happy to wait for Trapp?

i dunno, it'd be around June before he'd be in charge properly. Not a lot of time to get around and see our players before the competitive games start in Sept. Also doesn't give much time for him to try out new players or systems in the friendlys.

Could we not just put Brady his right hand man in charge until then?

herbieflowers

don't mean to piss on a parade but he's an old codger! I guess it's viable to look short-term though, perhaps he could leave a good structure IF he gets the job...anyway...

Mental Mickey

tdv wrote: »

Could we not just put Brady his right hand man in charge until then?

Nah, after the mess they made in appointing their "World Class Manager"(aka Stan), they need to get this right.

It has to be a full time manager appointment, and NOT a stop gap solution.

Melion

This is getting hilarious

Breaking news on SSN that Billy Davies is meeting with the FAI tomorrow to discuss taking the job

Mental Mickey

Melion wrote: »

This is getting hilarious

Breaking news on SSN that Billy Davies is meeting with the FAI tomorrow to discuss taking the job

It's not hilarious anymore, it's f**king ridiculous. It shows how f**king INCOMPETENT the FAI are. Trapattoni n Venables must've turned em down......?

herbieflowers

Crikey that is hilarious!

Mr.Nice Guy

They're giving it to Davies? Tell me this is a joke!

Melion

Its scrolling on the bottom of the screen on SSN at the minute anyway(or was when i flicked over from Lost)

Villain

Sources close to SSN understands Davies will meet the FAI on Wednesday and if he's offered the job he will take it.

Thats it if the FAI appoint Davies they really are the laughing stock everyone said they were.

Unearthly

Melion wrote: »

This is getting hilarious

Breaking news on SSN that Billy Davies is meeting with the FAI tomorrow to discuss taking the job

Wasn't that meeting meant to take place last week?

Don't really know what's happening :D