Cathal ó Searcaigh off the leaving?

passive · 12-02-2008 2:06am

JSK 252 wrote: »

Out in the open with a picture of naked boys eh....... Its now out in the open that he has been sleeping with naked boys?

He's shockingly honest alright.

hahahahaa oohhh now I get it.... No. That's not irony.

JSK 252 · 12-02-2008 2:07am

JC 2K3 wrote: »

LMFAO LIVELINE??? Ahahaha!!

Have you got a problem with the show or something?

annie19 · 12-02-2008 2:17am

the dept of ed ave 2 give at least one if not 2 yrs notice to remove so as they can put in a replacement. use ur grey matter guys, if there is rumours and maybe even a pending court case the poet in question will prob not be on the paper in june!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

ne1 agree??

JC 2K3 · 12-02-2008 2:19am

JSK 252 wrote: »

Have you got a problem with the show or something?

Nah, I enjoy comedy. I thought the fact that you referred to a bunch of uneducated, whinging idiots as the general public was rather funny

annie19 · 12-02-2008 2:23am

I hav to say this thread has brought me many giggles {to myself of course!}

JSK 252 · 12-02-2008 2:27am

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Nah, I enjoy comedy. I thought the fact that you referred to a bunch of uneducated, whinging idiots as the general public was rather funny

Arent you the general public aswell?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: So everybody who rings up Joe Duffy is uneducated?

annie19 · 12-02-2008 2:38am

ooh the air is hot around here!

PurpleFistMixer · 12-02-2008 3:16am

JSK 252 wrote: »

Im not getting you there like. I said that I havent read hitlers book to judge if it should be banned or not and I said that I wont have respect for a man and his work who ****s children.

I believe the point was that here, you say you need to read the book to make judgement, therefore, you are basing your judgement upon the book, even though you know Hitler was bad. Whereas in Cathal O Searcaigh's case, you're disregarding his work and think how he is as a person is a measure of whether his work should be tolerated or not. Get me?

annie19 wrote: »

the dept of ed ave 2 give at least one if not 2 yrs notice to remove so as they can put in a replacement. use ur grey matter guys, if there is rumours and maybe even a pending court case the poet in question will prob not be on the paper in june!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

ne1 agree??

Aren't the papers already set by now?

I like Níl Aon Ní as a poem (and Maigdiléana.. so spelt that wrong.. seems good from what I've read), not mad on answering questions on it though, same idea as Faoiseamh a Gheobhadsa really, only the contrast is less accentuated and it's got nicer imagery... but imagery is hard to talk about in Irish, codarsnacht is a lot easier.

Anyway, sure who hasn't done a 16 year old in this day and age?

passive · 12-02-2008 3:47am

PurpleFistMixer; Anyway, sure who hasn't done a 16 year old in this day and age?

Game, set and match.

Cokehead Mother · 12-02-2008 3:48am

Yeah, we 16 year olds are all sluts.

passive · 12-02-2008 4:03am

Cokehead Mother; Yeah, we 16 year olds are all sluts.

Emphasis added...

annie19 · 12-02-2008 12:05pm

the examinations board make up more than one paper!!!!! i thoght this was common knowledge!

Fad · 12-02-2008 2:21pm

JSK 252 wrote: »

So everybody who rings up Joe Duffy is uneducated?

yes everyone

podgedurka · 13-02-2008 1:15am

The Leaving Cert is made in December Before all this happened so really this thing doesn't make a difference

smiler89 · 21-02-2008 4:16pm

I grew up with irish as my first language so of course i hv no problems with filíocht but that doesn go to say i enjoy it. as a matter of fact i hate all irish petry nd never really took a liking to o searcaigh espec...

i think it is absolutely appalin th way he behaves with these young boys. you say 'who hasn done a sixteen yr old' and 'they'r all sluts' but thats in our country!! over in nepal a 16yr old on the street couldn tell u wat sex is so yes i think they are being horribly exploited by this man. in the sunday indo a couple of wks ago it said o searcaigh wud repay them with money, bikes, materials and help with their education after havin sex with them. i cant understand how ppl can defend this sort of behaviour!:eek:

JC 2K3 · 21-02-2008 6:17pm

Who defended his behavior?

Fad · 21-02-2008 10:11pm

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Who defended his behavior?

yes i dont think a single person defended him

JSK 252 · 21-02-2008 10:31pm

Well from what killaqueen said, smiler89 said and I have said it appears that the "majority in this forum" couldnt give a dam about his behaviour and people dont care. Defending him has nothing to do with it. Its wether you think there is anything wrong with a middle aged man having realtions with young children/adults is the question that really needs to be asked, when the answer is morally obvious unless somebody wants to disagree once again.

JC 2K3 · 22-02-2008 12:29pm

Perhaps I haven't been making myself clear.

What Cathal Ó Searcaigh did was, in my opinion, morally wrong and seems very dodgy.

Whether his poetry should be on the LC or not should have nothing to do with his behavior.

dan719 · 22-02-2008 9:11pm

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Perhaps I haven't been making myself clear.

What Cathal Ó Searcaigh did was, in my opinion, morally wrong and seems very dodgy.

Whether his poetry should be on the LC or not should have nothing to do with his behavior.

Shocked, horrified and appalled...I actually one hundred percent agree with JC 2K3.

Get down off your moral high ground and stop burning books for a second, O Searcaigh's sexuality and/or interest in 'young boys' are irrelevant. If his poetry includes these themes but are still considered good poems then they are more then entitled to be read. I personally think the bible is nothing but propoganda full of tribalism, murder and homophobia. Can I demand it be banned........of course not.

Only in Ireland would we worry about the actions and not the words of a writer......look at some of the worlds greatest writers Wilde, Dickenson, Plath etc....by reading their work do we condone pedastry? Or suicide? Of course not.

philologos · 23-02-2008 2:50pm

dan719 wrote: »

I personally think the bible is nothing but propoganda full of tribalism, murder and homophobia. Can I demand it be banned........of course not.

Not that it has anything to do with this, but this just reflects your knowledge of the Bible if you can honestly say that it is full of these things, or that you don't understand the purpose of several pieces in the Old Testament narrative, or you are picking out which ever pieces you will when you really need to read the lot to get a decent picture of it. Simply, the most enlightened piece of literature of our time imo.

jellyphatass246 · 24-02-2008 7:15pm

How so Joe wrote: »

I think he should stay on the course.
Like, one of his poems is about a prostitute, and they're complaining about him having sex with people who are OVER the age of consent?
I really don't see what the problem is. If he were sleeping with a sixteen year old English girl, or boy, there wouldn't be half the fuss.
Most of the people in my class were convinced it's paedophilia, but it's not. Paedophilia is sexual attraction to someone who is pre-pubescent, and sixteen is very, very rarely pre-pubescent, right?
I really don't see what the fuss is about.
The sex life of a poet has no bearing on their poetry, and it's not like he was doing anything illegal, or even wrong.
Admittedly, a 51 year old and a 16 year old is slightly creepy, I can see that, but at 16 one is able to make informed decisions about sex. He was hardly taking advantage of a child.

sorry i completely disagree

there is a 35 YEAR DIFFERENCE..

you freak

would you have sex with an older man 35 years older..

would you want that

no hes a PEADO

and sick

however i dont think his poetry should be taken off..

whatever the poet does shouldnt reflect our view on his poetry

Fad · 24-02-2008 8:14pm

To be honest theres not a whole lot more we can take from the man (im not condoning his actions for a second) but his life in ireland is pretty much over, so unless he's gonna be a total recluse for the rest of his life, he's not gonna have much left here

tasha1 · 25-02-2008 2:57pm

dan719 wrote: »

Only in Ireland would we worry about the actions and not the words of a writer......look at some of the worlds greatest writers Wilde, Dickenson, Plath etc....by reading their work do we condone pedastry? Or suicide? Of course not.

Precisely.

We should judge his poetry on literary merit alone.

SmashingPilot · 26-02-2008 3:49pm

tasha1 wrote: »

Precisely.

We should judge his poetry on literary merit alone.

Plus I find his poetry the easiest to understand and write about. Had my last mock exam today, Irish Paper2, needless to say his poetry was a big help to me.

diddley · 29-02-2008 10:17pm

Jakkass wrote: »

Simply, the most enlightened piece of literature of our time imo.

Give or take a couple of thousand years

ANarcho-Munk · 01-03-2008 12:49am

JSK 252 wrote: »

Well from what killaqueen said, smiler89 said and I have said it appears that the "majority in this forum" couldnt give a dam about his behaviour and people dont care. Defending him has nothing to do with it. Its wether you think there is anything wrong with a middle aged man having realtions with young children/adults is the question that really needs to be asked, when the answer is morally obvious unless somebody wants to disagree once again.

Out of curiousity, what's your stance on gay marriage being introduced to Ireland?

dan719 · 01-03-2008 1:05am

Jakkass wrote: »

Not that it has anything to do with this, but this just reflects your knowledge of the Bible if you can honestly say that it is full of these things, or that you don't understand the purpose of several pieces in the Old Testament narrative, or you are picking out which ever pieces you will when you really need to read the lot to get a decent picture of it. Simply, the most enlightened piece of literature of our time imo.

Wow nice hijacking there, I missed you too, have really not spent enough time in A and A recently.:D Oh and I have read the entire bible, and I'm pretty certain that I understand it on a metaphorical if not spiritual level(load of junk and certainly not 'most enlightened piece of lit of our time'). Sorry for hijacking in order to respond.

JSK 252 · 01-03-2008 1:32am

ANarcho-Munk wrote: »

Out of curiousity, what's your stance on gay marriage being introduced to Ireland?

I have no problem with gay marriages or people of the same sex having civil ceremonies. If gay people want to be together then nobody should stop them in their path to be recognised as a couple in the name of the law. They should be treated equally and if they are not being treated equally then the state is denying them their basic human rights.

What I do have reservations about is middle aged people having sexual relations with people under the age of consent or even if they are barely above the age of consent.

This is not a homophobic issue and I am not a homophobe.

Fad · 01-03-2008 1:49pm

JSK 252 wrote: »

I am not a homophobe.I have loads of freinds who are gay

sorry just a joke

well anyway i think theres no point taking him off the sylabus, seeing as it changing soon, i do find it doubtful that he'll be back on when they change it,
they could just say, 'well we needed to reduce the prescribed text section, so we cut these one out to facilitate the higher teaching time required for the increased oral requirement'

or something like that

Cathal ó Searcaigh off the leaving?

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