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Why Don't Irish Football Fans Support Other Countries?
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Someone always says that.I find this to be fairly silly...
People support foreign clubs for two reasons.
1. They have much more exposure to them from a young age.
2. They play much much better football than anything our league can offer.
Let's not ever discuss anything any more. People are just brought up kinda doing stuff, (though not too many people grew up with Sunderland posters on their walls).0 -
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*ding ding ding*
Now, here is the ultimate catch 22.
Shíte standard, Oi'm not watching that crap, but I might if it was better.
How the hell can it improve if there is no money being put into the game?
How much of the FAI's take on tonight's game will be put into football at a grassroots level in Ireland?
Yup, it is a catch 22 alright. I have no idea how much of the FAIs $ will be put into grassroot level football but I would guess, not enough.
This thread isn't about EL v Foreign leagues or how the EL can improve though.....right ?
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Some people who can't answer the questions posed have tgrown that accusation around, yes.This thread isn't about EL v Foreign leagues or how the EL can improve though.....right ?
Why not answer the points instead of trying to derail the thread people?
Every single LucyLloyd has made has been rebutted fairly well, the points she makes simply don't stand up.
Nobody else is making points, just saying "OHNOES DA elll peepel r rantin agen".
Here, lets go back to the start.
Why not apply the same logic to the support of International Football that you seem to have when choosing what club team to support?
No anti EPL there at all, no eL rant, nothing of the sort.
This "National Pride" thing "I was born here" is a crock of shít, imo.0 -
maybe that was said to keep people from jumping down his throat going....oh stupid thread etc etc etc, if you dont like a thread, dont post in it.
why the EL isnt popular, EL vs PL, or why people support English clubs, or peoples feelings for the national team....... are all very relevant to these boards.
so stop moaning
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Some people who can't answer the questions posed have tgrown that accusation around, yes.
Why not answer the points instead of trying to derail the thread people?
Every single LucyLloyd has made has been rebutted fairly well, the points she makes simply don't stand up.
Nobody else is making points, just saying "OHNOES DA elll peepel r rantin agen".
Here, lets go back to the start.
Why not apply the same logic to the support of International Football that you seem to have when choosing what club team to support?
No anti EPL there at all, no eL rant, nothing of the sort.
This "National Pride" thing "I was born here" is a crock of shít, imo.
:eek:
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Where's the "National Pride" in people pumping money into English and Scottish football ahead of Irish football.:eek:
It's a double standard people have.
"Have to support Oirland because Oi'm Oirish, it's National Pride"
Doesn't quite fit with the pouring of money, by fans, into British football in the form of Sky subs, merchandise buying etc etc.
National Pride my hole.0 -
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Some people who can't answer the questions posed have tgrown that accusation around, yes.
Why not answer the points instead of trying to derail the thread people?
Every single LucyLloyd has made has been rebutted fairly well, the points she makes simply don't stand up.
Nobody else is making points, just saying "OHNOES DA elll peepel r rantin agen".
Here, lets go back to the start.
Why not apply the same logic to the support of International Football that you seem to have when choosing what club team to support?
No anti EPL there at all, no eL rant, nothing of the sort.
This "National Pride" thing "I was born here" is a crock of shít, imo.
Huhwah? I said the inclination of Irish people to support Ireland as opposed to other countries is distinct from the issue of supporting club teams in the UK rather than the EL because the Irish team has given them stuff to follow in the past and remains in the same room where the top table in International football is located.
You didn't rebut that point, just attacked it as a sham. You didn't tell me it was not the reason why that support is there.
Secondly, you tried to compare Shelbourne's near miss in Champions league qualifying in July / August 2004 as comparable to Ireland's adventures in the 2002 world cup. And I think I made it fairly clear that was not the case.
The last point I made was about the fact that the Eircom league will never be as big as the english league due to a simple running of the numbers. Look at post # 45.
Ultimately, if Irish people don't do what you want them to tough. But you haven't disproved or invalidated my view sir. In any case, lighten up and enjoy football without waving the finger at all us "unreal" football fans:LuckyLloyd wrote: »Yeah, whatever. The reality is that football's current level of lavishness at the higher level cannot be maintaned with just the fans. In the short to medium term that is. TV has become more important to the biggest clubs as it is that medium which is putting in the majority of the money each year.
There seems to be an invisible threshold which is crossed once clubs get past a certain level. It divides clubs between those who depend on the direct input of fans in terms of gate receipts etc for their viabillity and those monsters who need to keep TV and the sponsors happy first to keep things going and pushing forward. Once that level is reached the fans are no longer considered as priority because:
A) They no longer account for the majority of the revenue;
There is such a massive base of them that you can poke and prod them a fair bit without much in the way of adverse consequences for your bottom line. This is because the vast majority of your fanbase becomes passive and purely there because you win and your brand is cool. That percentage becomes more pronounced the more popular you become.
Now, I know that the likes of you, Gimmick and the other Eircom leaguers realise this. You are too smart not too. And I also know that, as decent and loyal fans of Eircom league clubs you are deep within the grime of the games lower levels - well beneath the threshold where fan input starts becoming less important.
As such, I can understand your resentment for the game as a whole and why you carry this poor unfortunate martyr like attitude into the majority of your posts on this forum. Poor you guys, the real fans get nothing, etc.
Your argument may be won in the longterm when the game eventually comes crashing down because it has extended it's supply line and ground it's basic driving force (passion) into the dust. Problem is that the longterm may be longer than your time on the earth. You fight the good fight all the time on this forum - but you are in the minority in terms of the total number of posters who involve themselves around here. And that is why the game is the way it is - because the majority don't care as much as you do. As much as that sucks, tiresome renditions of the same arguments backed up by the same points won't change much.0 -
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No, I don't.Everyone does have double standards.
I would collapse with shock.If i went to an EL game tomorrow,
Have you tried it?abandoned "the scouse" and started to follow solely and EL team, EL fans would then proceed to gimme stick about being a fair weather supporter/band wagon jumper, not as a good a fan as those who'd been following the team years and years.
That doesn't happen in my experience. Anyone I've brought to Tolka has been welcomed with open arms, and encouraged to come back.
Look, nobody is going to go to one game and fall in love. I didn't. It's a gradual thing. Like an infection.
and on and on and on.GAA fans give EL fans stick for following a foreign sport. EL fans give PL fans stick for supporting a foreign league....and on and on and on and on.
I want more people to come to games. I want more than 5-800 at matches every weekend.The sad thing, the thing that the EL seems to strive for and really want, is to be successful, but if it ever is......it will be the death of the game you people love. The atmosphere will turn ****.
But I'm not the one to convince people. I'm no marketing guru. As my posts will verify
Yeah, I can kind of see your point.My advice to the EL supporters, is to be thankful that your game is still pure and full of fans who really care about the team and the football, and not just people who want a day trip
You'd prefer if Liverpool were in League1 with two thousand loyal fans, or fifth in the Premierleague and competing in the CL regularly with two hundred thousand day trippers though?
Quality schmality.....trying to win back football fans from Liverpool/Utd/Arsenal etc means you will get much higher attendences, but the quality of fan will diminish greatly.
I'd rather Shels were in the CL every year with twenty thousand hat wearing goons at the games, than struggling to attract five hundred fans to a match in a boggy Tolka, any day of the week.
No it isn't.95% of fans who travel over to England to watch football are bellends. EL is better off without them.
EL is on it's knees without them.0 -
OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »so and the LoI has a higher ranking than they do, and apparently its 'crappy'. so why bother supporting them? You see where this is going?
What a badly constructed point
You are presuming that the difference in 1 position to the other is the same on both rankings. Italy, Spain and England have the best domestic leagues in terms of quality. The gap to the 4th best league in the world is big.
The gap between the 3rd best national team in the rankings compared to 4th is not that big.
International football is far more balanced that the leagues are.
Jesus this forum baffles me at times but that takes the biscuit.0 -
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What a badly constructed point
You are presuming that the difference in 1 position to the other is the same on both rankings. Italy, Spain and England have the best domestic leagues in terms of quality. The gap to the 4th best league in the world is big.
The gap between the 3rd best national team in the rankings compared to 4th is not that big.
International football is far more balanced that the leagues are.
Jesus this forum baffles me at times but that takes the biscuit.
Let me reconstruct it then:
"why do you follow a foreign side and ignore your domestic game?"
"because the foreign team are great and my local league is rubbish"
"but your local league is rated higher than your national team in the UEFA rankings, so using the quality argument, why not then support a better national team"
or
"why do you follow a foreign side and ignore your domestic game?"
"my local professional side is too far away, so I follow Liverpool"
Its inane stuff, sometimes I wonder do you Ole's even listen to yourselves0 -
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OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »Let me reconstruct it then:
"why do you follow a foreign side and ignore your domestic game?"
"because the foreign team are great and my local league is rubbish"
"but your local league is rated higher than your national team in the UEFA rankings, so using the quality argument, why not then support a better national team"
eh what? Did you not read the post you quoted?
Seriously?
Right then if the LOI is better quality than the national team, then why does hardly any players get picked from the LOI then? Oh let me guess ignorance on part of the management. That must be it, fifa say otherwise"why do you follow a foreign side and ignore your domestic game?"
"my local professional side is too far away, so I follow Liverpool"
Its inane stuff, sometimes I wonder do you Ole's even listen to yourselves
See this si where the quality comes in, but I guess you fail to understand that simple point so no surprise it is lost on you.
Funny thing is you always act smug like you are an elitest but lack the requirements up north to back it up.0 -
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Gavin shels wrote: »Very interesting question. But you never know, when we start losing to teams like San Marino and drop down to like 100th in the FIFA rankings, I'm sure there will be some going off to support Scotland (at least it would make use of their Sell Thick jerseys).
Yet another bland, broken record poster on Boards.ie
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