Clinton/Obama together?

Bounty Hunter

can anyone see the winner of the Clinton Obama democratic race offering the VP position to the other and running as the combined democratic super-ticket?

For instance if Hillary wins, Obama could go for VP and campaign alongside her. Cynics would suggest that the female and black vote would be very much so in their corner (esp the black female vote:D). It would be very hard for any Republican candidate to win against this combo IMO. Also i think the VP position could be beneficial to someone like Obama. It would give him ore experience which atm is what Clintons campaign is really focusing on (her supposed greater exp) and if the Democratic presidency is seen as a success and the First Female president a success then prehaps America could easily be convinced to stay with a Democratic government with the current VP being the New El Presidenta.

so anyone see this as a viable option?

ghostdancer

not a hope IMO.

neither would take it if offered by the other.

it's a great ticket if you're a democrat. it isn't going to pull any states on a red/blue tightrope i don't think.

i would say that either Obama or Clinton's VP will be a Governor from a west/south swing state.....

banquo

I'd say it'll be a Hillary/obama ticket, but the VP slot suits neither. Hillary couldn't stand being VP and Obama's whole 'change' thing doesn't really match the VP job.

So we'll see.

RonMexico

Not a chance.

Boggles

What's the criteria to be a VP, Could Bill do it?

mike65

The anti wimmin voters wouldn't vote for that ticket, nor would the conservative/racists so its a double negative not making a positive in this case.

Mike.

bartholomewbinn

Obama should have his wife as VP, she is one sexy lady.

ghostdancer

Boggles wrote: »

What's the criteria to be a VP, Could Bill do it?

no, a VP has to be eligible to be President, and Bill can't as he's already served his 2 terms.

although i'd imagine he'll have plenty of input if hillary eventually become president.

banquo

Edwards for VP imo. White male, southern.

Not like it worked last time though.

brianthebard

I don't know if the black vote is that important tbh. Blacks make up 13% of the US population, and if even half of them voted it would be a high proportion. And the majority of that half are already going to vote democrat so its not that big a deal. It would be much more impressive if the republicans were trying to gain the black vote. Anyways I don't think either Hillary or Obama want to run for VP.

snow scorpion

I never realized this before:

“Do you realize that John McCain spent more time in captivity being tortured by the North Vietnamese than Barak Obama has been in the Senate?”

bartholomewbinn

I don’t think it will matter which of them run,( Hilary or Obama) neither will be elected. McCain will win enough of the big states and virtually all of the small ones to get over the line.

Jack Sheehan

snow scorpion wrote: »

I never realized this before:

And?

snow scorpion

Jack Sheehan wrote: »

And?

Just sayin'

snow scorpion

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

can anyone see the winner of the Clinton Obama democratic race offering the VP position to the other and running as the combined democratic super-ticket?

For instance if Hillary wins, Obama could go for VP and campaign alongside her.

Everyone who is even half-way sane knows Bill is going to be Hillary's veep. Not officially, of course. But if Hillary is the Dem nominee, her running mate is going to be VPINO (Vice-President in name only).

EamonnKeane

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

For instance if Hillary wins, Obama could go for VP and campaign alongside her. Cynics would suggest that the female and black vote would be very much so in their corner (esp the black female vote:D)

Yes, because politics is irrelevant, voters are brain-damaged and will vote for whoever closest resembles themselves rather than for any rational reason

banquo

Well,

frankly.

TBH I can't see:

a) either taking the VP slot
b) either waiting 8 years to run again.

obama is the dems' dest choice. Against McCain, whom the far right might not nessecarily come out to vote for on election day, would be more motivated to with hillary on the ticket.

snow scorpion

The thing that most people on the left fail to see: Hillary and Obama are two very weak candidates.

Hillary is the most polarizing figure in all of American politics. If she is the nominee the Republican base will turn out in droves to vote against her. Also, she has very little executive/managerial experience - and both times she had it resulted in disaster. She has no grasp of economics at even the most basic levels. And she has always been hostile of the military - not a good reputation to have at a time when terrorists have decided that American soil is no longer off-limits to their activities.

Obama was the #1 most liberal member of the US Senate for all of 2007. Source here. And the US Senate includes Bernie Sanders a self-described socialist from Vermont. How many of you honestly believe the majority of mainstream American voters are going to elect a President who is to the left of the socialists?

Put them on a ticket together and McCain is the next President. Given the weakness of the two Democrat candidates, McCain could easily be next President no matter who the Democrat nominee is.

kaiser sauze

At a stretch, I see this as feasible.

The only problem is ego, and we've a fair idea how big Hilary's is.

If the contest goes the full distance, all the way to convention in July, and there are no outstanding lawsuits they will have to make a decision that is good for the US and the world. McCain cannot be allowed to sneak in while they sqabble.

Even they know that.

banquo

Whichever one doesn't get it, there's gonna be a loooot of disenfranchised voters out there.

Manic Moran

kaiser sauze wrote: »

McCain cannot be allowed to sneak in while they sqabble.

Depends on your point of view. McCain is a pretty acceptable proposition for most Americans. Not necessarily first choice, but not abhorrent to most.

NTM

Lirange

I'd definitely advise Obama not to accept any VP offer. Her general election candidacy would be a sinking ship. Also, it runs counter to his strengths ... that in many ways he's different than the cynical politics of the Clinton/McAuliffe wing of the party. Which has been a big selling point for him.

If he's the nominee ... which is looking more possible by the day ... he is quite unlikely to even consider Hilary as a running mate.

flogen

I don't think Obama should or would take the VP position should Clinton win the Dem nomination.

Firstly, he'd be signing up to a White House with two Presidents, ensuring that he'd be sidelined for their entire time in office (assuming she won).

Secondly he'd be signing up to support the existing Washington establishment that he has based his campaign against, including support for lobbyists.

Thirdly he'd be caught in the cross-fire of the venom the Republicans would throw at Clinton during her campaign and after her election, assuming either happen.

Fourthly, given his battles with her over the Clinton's campaign tactics it would make him seem somewhat hypocritical.

Fifthly it would give the appearance that he only ran to get into a position of power - not to get real change in Washington.

For many of the same reasons I think it would be a mistake for him to offer her the VP post should he get the Dem nomination - but even if he did I wouldn't expect Clinton to accept it; I think she's after the top prize and would simply sit back and hope for McCain to mop the floor with Obama in 2008, leaving the way open for her to get the nomination with little challenge in 2012.

FatherTed

I dont think Obama would be VP or vice-versa. If Obama loses he will look immediately to 2012. I think McCain if he wins, will be a 1 term president (76 yo in 2012).

banquo

Ditto regards everything so far.

No, really. I'd say it's 50/50 though as to whether or not he'll take VP.

Then again:

betfair.com =

Obama, Barack: 2/5
Clinton, Hillary: 9/4

rasmussenreports.com Obama has 72% to hillary's 28% chance of getting the nomination.

It's possible that in return for Edwards' delagates to win the nomination, Obama will offer him VP slot. Then again I think I heard that Edwards has said that he never wants to run for VP agin.

banquo

now 74.5%.

Might go put some money on hillary at the bookies. 3-1, I like those odds!

If obama does well in ohio [and he might] and fair in texas then I reckon the superdelegates will get the hint at start leaning towards him. If they allow superdelegates to become a factor.

Stargal

snow scorpion wrote: »

Obama was the #1 most liberal member of the US Senate for all of 2007. Source here. And the US Senate includes Bernie Sanders a self-described socialist from Vermont. How many of you honestly believe the majority of mainstream American voters are going to elect a President who is to the left of the socialists?

Interestingly, despite the fact that he was the most liberal candidate, there were only two issues where he and Clinton voted differently: He voted in favour of establishing an Office of Public Integrity to deal with ethics complaints against Senators while she voted against, and he voted in favour of allowing certain immigrants to stay in the US while they're renewing their visas, while she voted against. It might be liberal but it's hardly tearing up the American flag and overthrowing the capitalist system

Think Obama put it best back in 2004:

In Obama's first splash on the national stage, as keynote speaker at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, he disparaged ideological labels as weapons used by partisans who have little else to offer: "Even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spinmasters and negative-ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything-goes," he said. "Well, I say to them tonight: There's not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America."

kaiser sauze

Manic Moran wrote: »

Depends on your point of view. McCain is a pretty acceptable proposition for most Americans. Not necessarily first choice, but not abhorrent to most.

NTM

I'm sorry, but a warmonger is abhorrent. Remember 70% of US citizens want the troops home, I think he is abhorrent to those.

This fella thought it was funny to sing Bomb Iran in the tune of a Beach Boys song. Maybe in the 60's that was ok.

I will admit he is progressive in other areas, but I am thinking about a global perspective, and an illegal war and a botched one are doing no-one any good and fresh thinking is needed on both fronts.

mike65

The longer this goes on the more I think McCain will win the election regardless of who the Democrats nominate

Mike.

Lirange

If Obama is the nominee, it will be the largest ever age discrepancy between two candidates in a general presidential election.

I don't think McCain will be able to energise the "base" of his party to the extent he needs. I think many Republicans will stay home. Especially if Obama is the nominee.

kaiser sauze

mike65 wrote: »

The longer this goes on the more I think McCain will win the election regardless of who the Democrats nominate

Mike.

I sincerely hope that does not turn out to be sageworthy.

I am of the opinion that the people of the US are truly sick of the mud they've been dragged through over the last eight years and would not contemplate another four of them.