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DeV.

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DeVore wrote: »

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I'm with DeV on this one. And Aidan for the most part, in his views of skepticism that is.

It's time we stopped bitching about unbiased websites. I have less than 10 posts on IWF, but I spend quite a bit of time on it. Never once have I ever seen a post which implies "Please, please go with blacknight" or any other host to that effect. Yet EV1's forum is littered with hosts pushing their own product. I've seen it, in fact, i saw it so soon after beginning to use the site that, I didn't even have the chance to make an account!

I can see what Aidan is trying to get at, but i feel that there should be something here that allows people to talk, but I am aware of what happened it.

Will we ever be able to have an unbiased platform to review hosts?
If you ever go to them "Web host reviews" sites, you will see that the top result is usually bluehost, + an affiliate link because if you click that and sign-up, the webhost review site owner gets $60, so it's a vicious world, and it's going to be impossible to keep it unbiased...

Can't someone here, not a person affiliated to or employed by a web host, just buy a domain name, stick in a forum, call it the irish web host forum, and then that would solve the problem, of IWF being a "biased forum", wouldn't it? or would it? :rolleyes:

cgarvey

DeVore wrote: »

Anyone who wants to open up a forum for such topics is MORE then welcome to, independent or not. I just want nothing further to do with any of them.

Game over, ball burst. And screw the rest of us (contributors).

DeVore

Consider a forum chocked full of threads like this one. Yeah, you know what, you're dead right. Screw that.

DeV.

Ph3n0m

nevf wrote: »

Can't someone here, not a person affiliated to or employed by a web host, just buy a domain name, stick in a forum, call it the irish web host forum, and then that would solve the problem, of IWF being a "biased forum", wouldn't it? or would it? :rolleyes:

Nope - cause then whomever you buy hosting from - that means you are affiliated with them, therefore can never possibly be biased, and the circle is complete once more

seamus

nevf wrote: »

It's time we stopped bitching about unbiased websites. I have less than 10 posts on IWF, but I spend quite a bit of time on it. Never once have I ever seen a post which implies "Please, please go with blacknight" or any other host to that effect.

I'd agree with that. I don't post on IWF but I do scan it from time to time. There is a lot of the same one-upmanship we used to see here, but they are largely open discussions. And no, I don't have a blacknight account

As Ph3n0m says, there won't be any such thing as an impartial web hosts forum unless someone sets up a server in their spare bedroom and runs it from that. Then the hosters would complain about latency and hardware speed
Even then, there will always be an accusation of biase. Even if it was re-opened on boards, the first time a thread was locked there'd be an accusation that boards is trying to protect Digiweb's interests. Hell, that accusation has already been made and the forum is closed.

The idea of the webmaster forum (as I understand it) is to provide a means to discuss issues that affect webmasters. "Hosting 365 have suspended my account" isn't an issue affecting webmasters and Steve, Michele and the rest spend money employing people whose sole purpose is to sit there and actually answer these questions in a factual manner and resolve the issue. So posting on boards.ie is never the better option.

H365's major outage at the end of last year *was* permitted on the forum because it was an issue affecting webmasters. The thread was locked to avoid any pointless bitching, but the issue wasn't ignored or swept away.

Blaster99

I might checkout IWF, but it's not exactly difficult to setup the site in the UK or similar and run it in an essentially neutral environment. It's not actually necessary to host an "Irish" site in Ireland.

As for moderating it, I don't foresee any major problems or lawyers.

Shiminay

Blaster99 wrote: »

As for moderating it, I don't foresee any major problems or lawyers.

Famous last words...

AARRRGH

Well, IWF is still a fairly quiet forum. It would be insane to blast the forum with Blacknight adverts or censor posts at this stage.

In a few years when it's more popular though, who knows?

Of course, it's just hosting, no one is going to die, but still, if a new forum is going to be chosen as the webhosting forum, it would make sense to choose one which isn't run by a hosting company.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

Well, IWF is still a fairly quiet forum. It would be insane to blast the forum with Blacknight adverts or censor posts at this stage.

In a few years when it's more popular though, who knows?

Of course, it's just hosting, no one is going to die, but still, if a new forum is going to be chosen as the webhosting forum, it would make sense to choose one which isn't run by a hosting company.

I actually find your posts about me quite offensive.

I run quite a few websites that have absolutely nothing to do with the company. They never have done and they never will.

To avoid conflicts of interest I have refused to sell any advertising space on IWF to any hosting company.

AARRRGH

blacknight wrote: »

I actually find your posts about me quite offensive.

That's funny coming from the guy who gave a quote to a magazine suggesting I'm some kind of law breaker. Tut tut.

I'm not trying to offend you. I'm just saying it's not a good idea for a forum about a topic to be run by someone with a huge vested interest in that topic. Surely this is not a difficult concept.

blacknight wrote: »

I run quite a few websites that have absolutely nothing to do with the company. They never have done and they never will.

Yes but I am not talking about those websites. I'm talking about the hosting website you run...

blacknight wrote: »

To avoid conflicts of interest I have refused to sell any advertising space on IWF to any hosting company.

I actually think that proves there is a huge conflict of interest. The webhosting forum controlled by the owner of Blacknight won't allow other hosting companies to advertise there.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

That's funny coming from the guy who gave a quote to a magazine suggesting I'm some kind of law breaker. Tut tut.

Which magazine was that in?

dublindude wrote: »

I'm not trying to offend you. I'm just saying it's not a good idea for a forum about a topic to be run by someone with a huge vested interest in that topic. Surely this is not a difficult concept.

And I keep saying and you keep ignoring my entire point about webhostingtalk.com ...

dublindude wrote: »

Yes but I am not talking about those websites. I'm talking about the hosting website you run...

Which one? Would you please use specifics. I personally own over 300 domains, while the company owns about another 200 odd.

dublindude wrote: »

I actually think that proves there is a huge conflict of interest. The webhosting forum controlled by the owner of Blacknight won't allow other hosting companies to advertise there.

It's a simple and very effective policy. No ads from any host. I don't see why that would be a conflict of interest.

AARRRGH

blacknight wrote: »

Which magazine was that in?

Hot Press. It related to Porn.ie. You gave a rather negative opinion on something you know absolutely nothing about.

blacknight wrote: »

And I keep saying and you keep ignoring my entire point about webhostingtalk.com ...

We're not talking about Webhostingtalk.com

blacknight wrote: »

Which one? Would you please use specifics. I personally own over 300 domains, while the company owns about another 200 odd.

I'm talking about Irishwebmasterforum.com!

blacknight wrote: »

It's a simple and very effective policy. No ads from any host. I don't see why that would be a conflict of interest.

Because it's run by the owner of Blacknight! God... it's not a difficult concept to grasp.

seamus

dublindude wrote: »

That's funny coming from the guy who gave a quote to a magazine suggesting I'm some kind of law breaker. Tut tut.

And for the benefit of the OP, it's this kind of exchange which is *exactly* why the forum was closed and why other forums are under serious moderation and threat of closure.

When you get a community that's small but competitive like the Hosting one in Ireland, people seem to think that because they know who the other posters are, that offline disputes and opinions about other persons somehow become relevant to the forum.

If anything, this thread has proven conclusively that the community hasn't changed in the slightest and therefore hasn't justified the reopening/extension of any forum.

Can I lock this now?

AARRRGH

Note I'm not a host. I have nothing to gain by having this conversation.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

Hot Press. It related to Porn.ie. You gave a rather negative opinion on something you know absolutely nothing about.

I never got to see that article, so I don't know what they quoted me on saying. I'm not denying that I spoke to them or that what I said may have been negative, but as I haven't actually seen the article I have no way of knowing what they said that I said ..

Having said that ...

I gave an opinion on something I know plenty about

I'd applied for porn.ie on multiple occasions before you even made your first attempt to do so

dublindude wrote: »

We're not talking about Webhostingtalk.com

We're talking about hosting forums and possible conflicts of interest.
In adult conversation it's quite common for people to use examples of similar situations to underline their argument. I don't see why this concept is so hard for you to grasp

- it's the biggest and most popular forum on the topic online at present
- it was run by EV1's Robert Marsh

dublindude wrote: »

I'm talking about Irishwebmasterforum.com!

Ok. But I own several other "hosting related" domains and sites, so clarification would help

dublindude wrote: »

Because it's run by the owner of Blacknight! God... it's not a difficult concept to grasp.

I've addressed this.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

Note I'm not a host. I have nothing to gain by having this conversation.

So you are no longer involved with ANY business that does ANY hosting / domain registration whatsoever?

seamus

Hosts/interested parties. Potaytoes/Potaatoes.

aidan_walsh

seamus wrote:

The idea of the webmaster forum (as I understand it) is to provide a means to discuss issues that affect webmasters. "Hosting 365 have suspended my account" isn't an issue affecting webmasters and Steve, Michele and the rest spend money employing people whose sole purpose is to sit there and actually answer these questions in a factual manner and resolve the issue. So posting on boards.ie is never the better option.

Thats pretty much what I was trying to get at.

seamus wrote:

Can I lock this now?

Before you decide to, let me just say that I am pretty open to criticism (as long as its constructive), will be considering port 21 and welcome any other input that the community may have regarding the forum.

As for web host discussion, DeV has his mind made up, as it appears to have been some time ago. There will be no going back on that in the Webmaster forum.

AARRRGH

blacknight wrote: »

I never got to see that article, so I don't know what they quoted me on saying. I'm not denying that I spoke to them or that what I said may have been negative, but as I haven't actually seen the article I have no way of knowing what they said that I said ..

Having said that ...

I gave an opinion on something I know plenty about

I'd applied for porn.ie on multiple occasions before you even made your first attempt to do so

You suggested I am breaking rules/etc to get what I want. I have not broken any rules. Surely you should know better than to post bull**** about someone in a national magazine.

Anyway, that's all history. My point was don't try to use the offensive card.

blacknight wrote: »

We're talking about hosting forums and possible conflicts of interest.
In adult conversation it's quite common for people to use examples of similar situations to underline their argument. I don't see why this concept is so hard for you to grasp

- it's the biggest and most popular forum on the topic online at present
- it was run by EV1's Robert Marsh

No one here except you is talking about webhostingtalk.com. No one cares about webhostingtalk.com.

blacknight wrote: »

So you are no longer involved with ANY business that does ANY hosting / domain registration whatsoever?

I run job websites and a number of personal websites. If a friend wants hosting, I put them on my server. I have never once tried to pass myself off as an Irish hosting company or anything like that. I have never worked for a hosting company or domain registrar.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

You suggested I am breaking rules/etc to get what I want. I have not broken any rules. Surely you should know better than to post bull**** about someone in a national magazine.

Anyway, that's all history. My point was don't try to use the offensive card.

As I haven't seen the article and Hotpress.com is pay per view I cannot realistically reply to that. If you want to send me a copy of the article that was printed I would be more than happy to respond to you either in public or in private.

dublindude wrote: »

No one here except you is talking about webhostingtalk.com. No one cares about webhostingtalk.com.

Oddly enough you've actually mentioned it on boards.ie on more than occasion .. Odd that

dublindude wrote: »

I run job websites and a number of personal websites. If a friend wants hosting, I put them on my server. I have never once tried to pass myself off as an Irish hosting company or anything like that. I have never worked for a hosting company or domain registrar.

So what about Vade and those other businesses that seem to offer hosting and domain registration? Don't they count?

AARRRGH

Blacknight wrote:

As I haven't seen the article and Hotpress.com is pay per view I cannot realistically reply to that. If you want to send me a copy of the article that was printed I would be more than happy to respond to you either in public or in private.

I'm sure you can remember what you said. They used a couple of quotes from you.

For future reference, if you ever want to talk about me in a newspaper or magazine, please stick to the facts.

We can forget about this now. No worries.

blacknight wrote: »

So what about Vade and those other businesses that seem to offer hosting and domain registration? Don't they count?

Vade?

I think you have me confused with someone else.

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

I'm sure you can remember what you said. They used a couple of quotes from you.

For future reference, if you ever want to talk about me in a newspaper or magazine, please stick to the facts.

We can forget about this now. No worries.

I remember what I said, but I have no way of knowing if they quoted me correctly, which is what I was getting at...

dublindude wrote: »

Vade?

I think you have me confused with someone else.

Maybe ....

AARRRGH

OK. This is getting a bit heated. Let's hug and move on...

mneylon

dublindude wrote: »

OK. This is getting a bit heated. Let's hug and move on...

ROFL

You're not my type

Sherifu

Tell me more about this porn.ie site...

CuLT

I know the guys who run vade.ie, and dublindude ain't them

oscarBravo

aidan_walsh wrote: »

...will be considering port 21...

FTP?

DeVore

This thread is a pretty good example of why we wont be having a hosting forum here again.

Thread locked.

DeV.