Indoor Airsoft

horgan_p

please please - everyone wants to know one thing , where ?

irlande

Boroimhe wrote: »

As for the students with no money, we will be (and already have asked a lot of them) meeting with your schools soon to arrange a cheaper price for you (or you can ask them).

With schools? What schools?
I meant personally I can't afford it and honestly I can only hope you'd make a deal with certain university airsoft clubs or societies.

But still, where abouts is this place?

kiwi84000

Myself and Boroimhe only recently found out about DCU's new soc and I can confirm that we will be approaching them with some lucrative offers.

Boroimhe

All local organizations, business, schools and populace have and will continue to be informed and invited to our site, we have local youth and sports clubs lining up, Actually My old teacher has informed me that he has taken up position on the school board and would be very interested in using our site regularly.

I mean we all know localized airsoft will blow up don't we?

What we mainly want though is the true airsofters to come and what we are offering with the membership fee (besides the lowest rate in the country) is to ensure that certain days are for avid airsofters alone. For you!

Puding

all sounds good the only issue i can see is with such prices people will want to get as much use as possible for there money with the limited number of players at the moment some of the other sites may suffer will be interesting to see what happens.

From my own research i would love to see your fire and safety reg that came with the insurance they must be adozy, the cost of a small site just skyrockets when it becomes a building and all the associated issues.

Boroimhe

irlande wrote: »

With schools? What schools?
I meant personally I can't afford it and honestly I can only hope you'd make a deal with certain university airsoft clubs or societies.

If you are part of a school/university team then you can avail of our team offer which we have yet to draw up, but rest assured it will accommodate those whose finances are socially constricting, ha ha....... you like the wording.

Seriously its not just the money, we want this sport to blow up and this was the only way we could think of aiding that!

Boroimhe

Puding wrote: »

all sounds good the only issue i can see is with such prices people will want to get as much use as possible for there money with the limited number of players at the moment some of the other sites may suffer will be interesting to see what happens.

From my own research i would love to see your fire and safety reg that came with the insurance they must be adozy, the cost of a small site just skyrockets when it becomes a building and all the associated issues.

We arn't going to both bore and distress you with the bills involved but YES it is a wee bit costly (but worth it).

We believe in healthy competition and we have ideas to help the building of more sites by other people in other counties but thats a way off, what I'm trying to say is doing damage to the other sites is not at all our aim or hope, I think the more known the sport gets the better for us all but thanks for mentioning.

As for people getting the most they can out of it, thats the point, we want you there on those days because we get to have a laugh wardening. If you pay the fee then of course get the most you can out of it.

irlande

Well, you get my vote anyway !

Can't wait for this.

Boroimhe

horgan_p wrote: »

please please - everyone wants to know one thing , where ?

North Dublin, just off the m50 and m1 with hotels, pubs all around, 5 bus routes and only 20 minutes from the city centre, grab an atlas and you'll suss it in a second. Seriously though we will be revealing the location soon, as Kiwi said we just have to hammer out the last few details with the LL.

Sorry for the wait.

TheDoc

i think the prices shock people intitally, but if you break it down it works out cheap per game...

i for one will be availing of the membership scheme

unfortunately away for the summer but will be back come september to start my winter campaign

im sure by then ill have all the info i need on the place

hopefully membership doesnt get full out :P

little buda

kiwi84000 wrote: »

Non Member Rates:

3 Hour sessions for a non member 40 All inclusive. 30 excluding BBs.

6 Hour sessions for a non member. 70 All inclusive. 50 excluding BBs.

just thinking about your all inclusive price. is there a limit to the amount of bb's that can be used.:D:D:D (what if i bring my m-134 vulcan gatling gun) as this just eats them up (ROF 3200)

Boroimhe

little buda wrote: »

kiwi84000 wrote: »

Non Member Rates:

3 Hour sessions for a non member 40 All inclusive. 30 excluding BBs.

6 Hour sessions for a non member. 70 All inclusive. 50 excluding BBs.

just thinking about your all inclusive price. is there a limit to the amount of bb's that can be used.:D:D:D (what if i bring my m-134 vulcan gatling gun) as this just eats them up (ROF 3200)

There is no limit to how many bbs you can use but you have to buy them as we only offer one bottle free in the all-inclusive price. tenner a bottle.

A.T.F

Super job Gentlemen i like the sound of this by the sounds of things there is some serious thought being put into it ,we look forward to the result:D

Spetzcong

I'm not too shocked by the prices, they seem reasonable enough to me, just means Derek or Tony won't be seeing as much of my money as they have been

I think it's great that more airsoft venues are opening, it's great to be able to sit and consider which venue you're going to go and shoot at on the weekend, decisions, decisions, will I take out the SAW and head to HRTA or will I pack my SPAS and try some CQB?

Gentlemen (and ladies, of course), these are exciting times...

Boroimhe

Update,

We have set aside a space of 400 sq ft for target practice (or fine tuning).

I don't know if anyone has read kiwi's post before but we will have a video ref on site (well in the office) and this will allow us to ensure that the honor system will work.

We will also be offering to sell you a mid-game picture of you (when doing something cool using the video cameras) after each game, what do you think?

We will also be offering to sell you a recording of the entire game (most likely only worth it for teams).

What does everyone think about all that and the age limit of 15?

If anyone wants to be informed and invited to the opening day of our site or wants to show intent for applying for membership (as these will be limited) please forward your details, i.e email address or phone number to bryan.regan@gmail.com.

Thanks again.

ED E

Boroimhe wrote: »

Update,

We have set aside a space of 400 sq ft for target practice (or fine tuning).

I don't know if anyone has read kiwi's post before but we will have a video ref on site (well in the office) and this will allow us to ensure that the honor system will work.

We will also be offering to sell you a mid-game picture of you (when doing something cool using the video cameras) after each game, what do you think?

We will also be offering to sell you a recording of the entire game (most likely only worth it for teams).

What does everyone think about all that and the age limit of 15?

If anyone wants to be informed and invited to the opening day of our site or wants to show intent for applying for membership (as these will be limited) please forward your details, i.e email address or phone number to bryan.regan@gmail.com.

Thanks again.

15 is very agreeable.

NMC

It all sounds fantaitic, can't wait!

TheDoc

15 without parental supervision?

i know theres alot of young airsofters here who are big into it and hate to see them being put aside.

but id be interested in knowing where the site is for an age of 15.

just cant help but think its near the fingal area, where theres a ridiculously abundant amount of people you just dont want going to a game.

not being snobby, but you see 16 yr olds at paintballing in kart city and it ruins it, always cheat, sly shots, just wreck the buzz like

obviously you guys want money from this, its why anyone goes into business and dont bull**** me thats its not :P

your business scheme so far looks flawless, your a reasonable price, plenty of rentals, sound to be running a nice ship and catering for a HUGE area.

be very interesting to see how it turns out....

seamus-2k7

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

15 without parental supervision?

i know theres alot of young airsofters here who are big into it and hate to see them being put aside.

but id be interested in knowing where the site is for an age of 15.

just cant help but think its near the fingal area, where theres a ridiculously abundant amount of people you just dont want going to a game.

not being snobby, but you see 16 yr olds at paintballing in kart city and it ruins it, always cheat, sly shots, just wreck the buzz like

obviously you guys want money from this, its why anyone goes into business and dont bull**** me thats its not :P

your business scheme so far looks flawless, your a reasonable price, plenty of rentals, sound to be running a nice ship and catering for a HUGE area.

be very interesting to see how it turns out....

I don't know about paintball but ive never heard of the honour system not being held by any u-18's player more than over 18's player.
I don't think age should be an issue.

There's nothing wrong with young people in fingal, some appeare to be 'scangers', most are genuine people i will agree there are some who will cheat but just as much as anyone from ANYWHERE else

good idea with the video;)

Keggers

Age limit 13, 13!!!!!

Boroimhe

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

15 without parental supervision?

i know theres alot of young airsofters here who are big into it and hate to see them being put aside.

but id be interested in knowing where the site is for an age of 15.

just cant help but think its near the fingal area, where theres a ridiculously abundant amount of people you just dont want going to a game.

not being snobby, but you see 16 yr olds at paintballing in kart city and it ruins it, always cheat, sly shots, just wreck the buzz like

obviously you guys want money from this, its why anyone goes into business and dont bull**** me thats its not :P

your business scheme so far looks flawless, your a reasonable price, plenty of rentals, sound to be running a nice ship and catering for a HUGE area.

be very interesting to see how it turns out....

I don't mean to sound like I'm getting smart with you but I have to whole heartedly and ideologically dis-agree with you there.

I WOULD NEVER judge someone by where they came from nor would I even consider age limits based on where I am.

Thank you very much for your support and sorry but I felt I had to explain my position on this if it ever came up again, all are welcome (granted you are more than the local kidy muppets).

Boroimhe

Keggers wrote: »

Age limit 13, 13!!!!!

Mate its a bit of an insurance issue really, the younger you are the more they charge us and because we are an indoor site in a hugely populated are we have to be seen to be very restrictive on who we allow access to our replica fire arms (thats how the local gardaí and most parents will see them).

We obviously are still arguing with the insurance company but as for the locals and just good business practice I feel we are better off biting the bullet and accepting the lost revenue there.

Sorry man but fifteen is the lowest we can go and we will be constantly reviewing that to maybe make it older (if needs be).

Arcto

This sounds like its going to be a pretty cool place.

Id agree with the 15 age limit as the chances of injury rise dramatically in an indoor concrete area.

Slip slidin awaaaaay!

Boroimhe

Thanks for th input everybody,

I have had great feedback and interest show n by the emails I have received, if anyone wants to give my email address to anyone else you think may be interested in joining or coming to the open day, fell free.

Is everyone ok with 400 sq ft for the target practice?

What does everyone think of our idea with the 1, video ref. 2, selling of pictures. 3, selling of videos?

We will also be providing tea and coffee on site.

Thanks again everyone.

Gizmodeon

i think the video ref wont be used that much and if it is, it will just slow games down and ruin the flow of a fast paced game.

If you shoot somebody and they dont take there hits, shoot them again (in a more painfull spot if needs be), if they still dont take it, have a marshall watch you shoot them. there is only so many hits a person can take at once before yelping out....

ED E

Boroimhe wrote: »

Thanks for th input everybody,

I have had great feedback and interest show n by the emails I have received, if anyone wants to give my email address to anyone else you think may be interested in joining or coming to the open day, fell free.

Is everyone ok with 400 sq ft for the target practice?

What does everyone think of our idea with the 1, video ref. 2, selling of pictures. 3, selling of videos?

We will also be providing tea and coffee on site.

Thanks again everyone.

Open Day?

Gizmodeon

i think the video ref wont be used that much and if it is, it will just slow games down and ruin the flow of a fast paced game.

If you shoot somebody and they dont take there hits, shoot them again (in a more painfull spot if needs be), if they still dont take it, have a marshall watch you shoot them. there is only so many hits a person can take at once before yelping out....

This was spitfire using my account :rolleyes:

oh and I don't like the idea of supplying videos, it will put myself and lethal out of jobs! lol:D

ED E

Gizmodeon wrote: »

This was spitfire using my account :rolleyes:

oh and I don't like the idea of supplying videos, it will put myself and lethal out of jobs! lol:D

Amen to that.

Alvin T. Grey

Boroimhe wrote: »

Update,

We have set aside a space of 400 sq ft for target practice (or fine tuning).

Just once it's about 25-30M long, you're fine. With a pistol the problem becomes one of consistantly hitting the X ring. For AEGs it's tight grouping. For snipers it's putting the rounds through the same hole.......

Different challenges, same distance.

I would suggest a hanging sheet 1M back from the target to absorb the energy of the BB and prevent ricochets.
Also, you might want to allow snipers (I'm not one of them. - I have a life) to bring their own ammo if requested. Some of them get very picky about the weight and/or brand of the rounds they use. Very few good snipers use .2g standard. Then there is the non standard calibres, like 8mm......Neither of which expend many rounds anyway, so you wouldn't be missing out on much sales-wise. And you are more or less guarenteed that the snipers will use the range more often then most.

kdouglas

Not just snipers, my p90 is very picky about what BBs go into it and i'd definitely be using my own for it.

One major thing I disagree with about paintball, aside from the ludicrously priced ammo, is the fact that very few sites allow players to bring their own equipment or even ammo, i would definitely not like to see any airsoft site do this.

Alvin T. Grey

kdouglas wrote: »

Not just snipers, my p90 is very picky about what BBs go into it and i'd definitely be using my own for it.

That's because it's strung like a racehorse. And being one whos been on the recieving end of same, it's a little beast........

One major thing I disagree with about paintball, aside from the ludicrously priced ammo, is the fact that very few sites allow players to bring their own equipment or even ammo, i would definitely not like to see any airsoft site do this.

You have to look at it from a business point of view. People are running around shooting projectiles at one another in a confined space. The public liability alone has to be enormous. So you either cover that up front (and have nobody go because it's too bloody expensive) or you hide it in the details.
Most choose the latter.

Spitfire666

kdouglas wrote: »

Not just snipers, my p90 is very picky about what BBs go into it and i'd definitely be using my own for it.

One major thing I disagree with about paintball, aside from the ludicrously priced ammo, is the fact that very few sites allow players to bring their own equipment or even ammo, i would definitely not like to see any airsoft site do this.

agreed but was there any mention of not being allowed use your own ammo?

TheDoc

think my point was misinterpreted, and im not going to take the thread of topic by explaining it in fine details

just really excited and hope all goes well for you guys

and just a note on video and pictures.

do take into consideration about the data protection act....i know youd think " who the hell would not want themselves in a video shooting folk" but you just might get one guy who came for a day trip, find his face on the internet when he didnt want it, and youve got trouble.

make sure you totally cover yourself by informing all those recorded or pictured about the distribution of the material and get their consent.

not being anal but as a business its a major thing to make sure you have yourself covered

mr.data controller :P

Boroimhe

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

think my point was misinterpreted, and im not going to take the thread of topic by explaining it in fine details

just really excited and hope all goes well for you guys

and just a note on video and pictures.

do take into consideration about the data protection act....i know youd think " who the hell would not want themselves in a video shooting folk" but you just might get one guy who came for a day trip, find his face on the internet when he didnt want it, and youve got trouble.

make sure you totally cover yourself by informing all those recorded or pictured about the distribution of the material and get their consent.

not being anal but as a business its a major thing to make sure you have yourself covered

mr.data controller :P

Thanks for that, all faces will be covered and all will be informed of the recording, you ofcourse can bring your own ammo.

The video ref will be in the office relaying who is not taking their hits to the on floor marshal/s, it won't be like rugby! Then if absolutely sure the floor marshal will shoot or inform him to take his hit. That is our idea, don't forget to email me if you would like to book the open day! bryan.regan@gmail.com

kdouglas

I see your reason for having the video ref, but I honestly dont think it will be necessary, cqb tends to be a very fast paced style of game, people not taking their hits generally isn't an issue, even still, spotting those hits on camera would be very very difficult, but the video would be nice to have just for watching the games from the safe zone.

NakedDex

I can see it becoming a useful training tool also.

Boroimhe

NakedDex wrote: »

I can see it becoming a useful training tool also.

Thats what I meant when I said only really useful for teams.

To kdouglas, I understand that it MITE not be needed but sure since the digital zoom cameras will be on site there is no harm in using them to (as I said) ensure the honor system.

No one forget that tea will be provided on site, despite all the other lings about this I personally thought that providing tea and coffee is one the coolest things, :-)

NakedDex

Excellent I'll be sure to bring my 20oz Starbucks mug so. I'm rather a fan of tea...

fayer

Is their a proposed opening date?

Boroimhe

fayer wrote: »

Is their a proposed opening date?

NO, as said we have the last few details to work out with the landlord. Once we have that done we will have to get the bulk of the designing done before we even think about announcing an opening date.

It shouldn't be that long though!!

NakedDex

It's something worth waiting for anyway, if I saw this open by the end of summer I'd be happy. I somehow doubt anyone is going to be too bummed about skirmishing outdoors during the good summer weather. (Ok, I know this is Ireland, not SoCal, but we've been having a nice stretch lately and it might yet continue).
We'll be glad of it when the bitter cold and wet autumn days roll in.

Spitfire666

i think a good idea would be to invite one or two players to have a look at the venue while in the process of designing it to get a better idea of what could work. as usefull as throwing ideas at a screen are, knowing the size and shape of the venue makes things easier to picture. i know you gave the square footage but its always easier to imagine something in the space if you can see the space

senordingdong

All I can say is...just say when.

Tactical

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

think my point was misinterpreted, and im not going to take the thread of topic by explaining it in fine details

just really excited and hope all goes well for you guys

and just a note on video and pictures.

do take into consideration about the data protection act....i know youd think " who the hell would not want themselves in a video shooting folk" but you just might get one guy who came for a day trip, find his face on the internet when he didnt want it, and youve got trouble.

make sure you totally cover yourself by informing all those recorded or pictured about the distribution of the material and get their consent.

not being anal but as a business its a major thing to make sure you have yourself covered

mr.data controller :P

The question of publishing images either photgraphic or video is very easily answered.

A release form is required from the person.

Nice and simple. With consent obtained publishing is not a problem, without it may leave a person in a tricky situation.

I'm heavily involved in phoptography and release forms are required for all persons in an image, even if its something like a group photograph.

fayer

It will revolve around the uasge of the images but is not a big issue.

If CCTV is to be used reasonable notifaction is to be put in plain sight, and an indiction that the images will be stored for later use. Data protection Act.

Use of the images without consent should not be an issue unless the subjects are identifiable then you have an issue Knuffer -V- London Express, Identfiction can be inferred tho if faces are obsecured from dress markings etc.

Easy way out, include a 3 liner about the images in the waver we will all have to sign on the way in

Regards
Steve
(Soon to be LLB, BL, if I can get back to study)

Boroimhe

Spitfire666 wrote: »

i think a good idea would be to invite one or two players to have a look at the venue while in the process of designing it to get a better idea of what could work. as usefull as throwing ideas at a screen are, knowing the size and shape of the venue makes things easier to picture. i know you gave the square footage but its always easier to imagine something in the space if you can see the space

Well we both are avid airsofters and m of our mates are too so that shouldn't be a problem. thanks though.

Waivers will be signed on the way in!!

Thanks all.

Tactical

My personal thoughts on the publishing issue is that if I'm informed before hand I'll happily sign any waiver or release with no problem.

Its a matter of courtesy to be informed before that images may be published.

little buda

hows the site looking? any closer to an opening date yet?? any new info about whats happening? looking foward to first indoor event

Boroimhe

If you would like to be at the opening day please email me at bryan.regan@gmail.com

Boroimhe

Hi all,

Sorry for not keeping up the posts but we have been busy, we hit a zoning issue and that is what has been holding us up, it will be sorted fairly soon and for all those who have sent me their email address they are on file and you will be informed before anyone else, thanks for your patience.