Its Pink YAY!!

ztoical

WindSock wrote: »

I meant bright colours in general, not just pink.

in that case it should be the males dressing all in bright colours to attract a female like you have with birds and other animals? Cept we've the op, females are expect to dress brightly to attract men - wear high heels as they make the back of your legs more attractive to men, wear lipstick as it makes your lips look like a vagina thus reminding men about sex....ugh going to stop makes me depressed when you think alot of the things associated with women really only have one goal.

Dudess

... not helped by the fact that so many females are quite happy to comply.

Jackz

ztoical wrote: »

in that case it should be the males dressing all in bright colours to attract a female like you have with birds and other animals? Cept we've the op, females are expect to dress brightly to attract men - wear high heels as they make the back of your legs more attractive to men, wear lipstick as it makes your lips look like a vagina thus reminding men about sex....ugh going to stop makes me depressed when you think alot of the things associated with women really only have one goal.

We are just a smart animal.

Reku

WindSock wrote: »

Apparently evolution has had it's hand in making girls attracted to bright colours with picking berries and stuff.

I do remember recently hearing some research claiming that even as young babies females are more drawn to red, pink and violet colours, whereas males are more drawn to blue and darker colours.

Part of me suspects that part of the reason that men tend towards darker colours of clothing is so as to draw less attention, since in male society to draw attention is to draw ridicule, but then that may just be my own motives and reasoning with nothing in common with the majority of men. As how others will react to our choice of colour in clothing will affect the decision the colour of clothing usually chosen to wear is not necessarily the favourite colour.

Article on the topic: http://people.howstuffworks.com/gender-color.htm

WindSock

ztoical wrote: »

in that case it should be the males dressing all in bright colours to attract a female like you have with birds and other animals? Cept we've the op, females are expect to dress brightly to attract men

Only in Western culture. Here are some Men from Papua New Guinea





And Some Women...

Bottle_of_Smoke

Apparently male juvenile chimps are more likely to play with blue toys & females pink

Nevyn

It used to be pre ww2 that pink was a boys colour as ti was bright and active and blue was the colour for girls it being more passive.

This changed in the 50s when the boys came home from war and women were refeminised and told to go back to the kitchen be model wifes, mothers and to keep young and beautiful if they want to be loved.

Pink being more flattering to a person's complexion women started wearing more and it was all over the French and itailain fashion houses and so pink became femininised.

To stop boys wearing pink they were told it made them a sissy.

Pink was used to control women, to get them to conform after they had handed back thier rivets, to get them to be pretty for the competition to get a husband when so many young men had died in the war and there were less available and eligible men.

If a person likes pink then fair enough, but I hate to see tech being marketed based on it's colour to women and find it as offensive as marketing cars to a woman based on thier colours.

Crumble Froo

while i agree a lot with what dudess has said here, im probably just as bad, as im not girly, and so tend to dislike pink, in the same way that girly girls tend to like pink. not to mention the fact that few things are less sexy than guys in pink. or yellow for that matter. actually, or any bright shade of orange.

where was i going with this? ah, im just attracted to darker colours anyway (with clothes). exceptions are made for the mirrorball suit, and graphics on black tshirts.

oh, and

Cheeky_gal wrote: »

haha! Thats the gayest thing i've read all day but you have a point and for the record, i'm certainly not a goth [shivers]

... you say goth like it's a bad thing?

doctor evil

What is DS and passport 2? *scratcheshead*

Crumble Froo

i think it said hard drive underneath somewhere later... so i assume it's a harddrive of sorts... but pink.

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sobriquet

Susan B Anthony did not die in battle so I could fix a shelf WITHOUT my pink and dainty screwdriver.

I'd IMG it, but it has swearwords, which might be too much for ladies eyes. I'll leave it to the Mods to IMG it if they want.

Hello Ladies Lounge.

(Oh, Thaedydal, good post, it's an interesting topic. Apparently, though pink used to be a boys colour, it wasn't the salmon-tone pink we know today, it was actually what we'd call red - the 'Pinks' that riders on a fox hunt wear, for example. That 'pink' was considered more fleshy and meaty, thus masculine. I'll see if I can dig up that link, don't think I saved it though.)

Nevyn

sobriquet wrote: »

Susan B Anthony did not die in battle so I could fix a shelf WITHOUT my pink and dainty screwdriver.

I'd IMG it, but it has swearwords, which might be too much for ladies eyes. I'll leave it to the Mods to IMG it if they want.

Hello Ladies Lounge.

(Oh, Thaedydal, good post, it's an interesting topic. Apparently, though pink used to be a boys colour, it wasn't the salmon-tone pink we know today, it was actually what we'd call red - the 'Pinks' that riders on a fox hunt wear, for example. That 'pink' was considered more fleshy and meaty, thus masculine. I'll see if I can dig up that link, don't think I saved it though.)

Please do.

sobriquet

Thaedydal wrote: »

Please do.

"Search, don't save" my arse. Can't find the one where it says that the actual colour the word names has changed (and I'm pretty sure it's not just in my head), but these back up your statements:

http://www.badscience.net/?p=518
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=238733

Nevyn

Cheers!

At one point pink was considered more of a boy's color, (as a
watered-down red, which is a fierce color) and blue was more for
girls. The associate of pink with bold, dramatic red clearly affected
its use for boys. An American newspaper in 1914 advised mothers, "If
you like the color note on the little one's garments, use pink for the
boy and blue for the girl, if you are a follower of convention." [The
Sunday Sentinal, March 29, 1914.]

It would also seem that Nazi Germany had something to do with the
association of pink with femininity:

"Catholic traditions in Germany and neighboring countries reverse the
current color coding, because of the strong association of blue with
the Virgin Mary...the NAZIs in their concentration camps use a pink
triangle to identify homosexuals. (The yellow star of David is the
best known symbol, used of course to identify Jews. The German system
was quite complicated, using various symbols an colors to identify
criminals, political prisinors, an a whole range of other groups). The
NAZI's choice of pink suggests that it by the 1930s was a color that
in Germany had become associate with girls." - "Gender Specific
Colors"

Here is another site backing the same color history.

"The preferred color to dress young boys in was pink! Blue was
reserved for girls as it was considered the paler, more dainty of the
two colors, and pink was thought to be the stronger (akin to red). It
was not until WWII that the colors were reversed and pink was used for
girls and blue for boys..." - Quote from Dress Maker Magazine
http://www.dressmaker.com/ezine0200.shtml

To quote:
"Battleship gray, navy and military khaki ruled during World War II.
But once the war ended, so did the somber tones that reflected those
serious years of deprivation, and color made a comeback. Having
replaced men in wartime industries, Rosie the Riveter of the '40s
returned to being Susie Homemaker in the '50s. Reflecting the
"pink-is-for-girls-mom-in-the-kitchen-father-knows-best" mentality,
she was admonished to "think pink" – to wear pink lipstick, drive a
pink car, or buy pink household appliances – all of which was
reinforced by an all-pink sequence in the classic Audrey Hepburn
Technicolor film, Funny Face. The quintessential icon of femininity,
Barbie, was born and much of the time, she wore pink."
http://www.digitaloutput.net/back%20edit/edittopic7x.html - "Color
Symbolism and Trends"

Hagar

With reference to post number 36 above:

I am reminded of the Radharc program that used to be on RTE many years ago. It was a programme about the missions in Africa, it used to be on on Sunday evenings about 6:30pm

At the time any form of nakedness was totally taboo on TV, never mind any talk about a "watershed", and yet every Sunday they used to show documentaries of Africa in which black women were either naked or semi naked like the pictures above. It was as if black women weren't real women at all so their nakedness was ok. There was a distinct overtone that blacks weren't really people, that they were some sort of "almost human" animal and their nakedness was as acceptable as the nakedness of an animal. It was the worst type of institutionalized racism I ever saw in Ireland.

I accept un-reservedly that the post is in no way intentionally racist. The fact that the poster never even seems to have considered that she was breaking the site-wide "no nipple, no genitalia" rule makes me think that the poster is victim of a long standing subliminal racist culture that says black women/people are not due the respect that white women/people are due.

Could I post a picture of a bare breasted caucasian woman here without the post being correctly reported? No? I didn't think so.

Ladies you are letting your black sisters down, one of you should have commented.

Nevyn

You are so right hagar

I scanned over it post beers last night and didn't look tbh as I was responding to an early post and didn't read the thread to the end at the time and continued to post from my last post but I don't see someone being naturally naked as offensive or titillating personally but you are right it breaks the site rules.

Dudess

Very interesting point. Although context is taken into consideration too - i.e. the breasts in such images aren't sexualised.

But of course in general it's ok to bombard us with sexualised breasts, however a woman breastfeeding in public? Just sick! :rolleyes:

fits

I never would have thought of it like that Hagar. Mainly because the pictures are not sexualised. Maybe there needs to be more unsexualised photographs of women of all races and backgrounds (and men too) going around, rather than less like in post 36.

To go back on topic, I dont consider myself girly. I'm into clothes, I sometimes like to wear pink, but I would never buy electronics or cars because of their colour, and I do agree that it is somewhat offensive to market technology on that basis. However what sells, sells. They do it cos it works.

Peared

Re the pink thing.. sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

WindSock

Hagar wrote: »

With reference to post number 36 above:

I am reminded of the Radharc program that used to be on RTE many years ago. It was a programme about the missions in Africa, it used to be on on Sunday evenings about 6:30pm

At the time any form of nakedness was totally taboo on TV, never mind any talk about a "watershed", and yet every Sunday they used to show documentaries of Africa in which black women were either naked or semi naked like the pictures above. It was as if black women weren't real women at all so their nakedness was ok. There was a distinct overtone that blacks weren't really people, that they were some sort of "almost human" animal and their nakedness was as acceptable as the nakedness of an animal. It was the worst type of institutionalized racism I ever saw in Ireland.

It never even crossed my mind. I was just posting the pick to show Men and Women of different cultures to our own. I guess what distinctly makes theirs different is the Women are bare chested in public for most of their time, whereas we are not.
In Western culture, bare breasts are almost always displayed provocativley and in a sexualised way, whereas in more tribal cultures (and hotter countries) they are used primarily for their purpose.
I actually have more respect for Women that use their breasts for their purpose, rather then displaying them for cash on page 3.

I accept un-reservedly that the post is in no way intentionally racist. The fact that the poster never even seems to have considered that she was breaking the site-wide "no nipple, no genitalia" rule makes me think that the poster is victim of a long standing subliminal racist culture that says black women/people are not due the respect that white women/people are due.

I accept that I have been ignorant of the no nipple rule. I even posted a picture in AH a while of the fully naked Vietnamese girl, and no one reported my post or batted an eyelid, so naturally I thought this was ok as long as it's not porn.

Could I post a picture of a bare breasted caucasian woman here without the post being correctly reported? No? I didn't think so.

Again, all about context. If you had posted the same sort of pic as I did, I wouldn't have thought so.

Ladies you are letting your black sisters down, one of you should have commented.

You have raised a very interesting point Hagar, I will of course take the picture down, if it offends and breaks rules.

Hagar

I'm not offended at all by the picture. There is nothing offensive about the female or male form. Please don't take it down on my account.

It just put me in mind of the programme from so long ago and the dual standard that existed indeed possibly still exists.

WRT the "no nipple rule" I agree context is all important, in this case the spirit of the law rather than the word of the law should apply.

Dudess

I know Ireland wasn't exactly a haven of enlightenment back then but maybe the RTE thing was more in reference to the sexualised breast?

WindSock

Hagar wrote: »

I'm not offended at all by the picture. There is nothing offensive about the female or male form. Please don't take it down on my account.

I meant from the Institutionalised Racism point, not the Women's breasts point. I didn't think boobs would offenend you at all

WRT the "no nipple rule" I agree context is all important, in this case the spirit of the law rather than the word of the law should apply.

What do you mean by that?

WindSock

Actually I think this makes for interesting discussion and deserves a Thread of it's own.

Nevyn

but the posts should be removed in line with site policy or no exposed nipples.

ztoical

Hagar wrote: »

I'm not offended at all by the picture. There is nothing offensive about the female or male form. Please don't take it down on my account.

It just put me in mind of the programme from so long ago and the dual standard that existed indeed possibly still exists.

WRT the "no nipple rule" I agree context is all important, in this case the spirit of the law rather than the word of the law should apply.

its an interesting point but I didn't think anything of the image [and still don't think its racists or offensive to women] as like you said this was a program from a few years back and I like to think as a country we've come a little way forward in our thinking [granted not huge steps but some sections of the society have improved] I remember my grandmother often talk about finishing your food as there were "black" babies in africa going without food but i like to think alot of that mentality has gone now.

I also try to think of the cultural differences and, while its considered a big no no in this country, in other countries there isn't as big a taboo about showing the breast and find it would be disrespectable to expect these women to cover up or to just not show them as if there wasn't something wrong with their culture.

I also didn't find it offensive to women as I have breasts I see them ever day and seeing an image of another woman's doesn't bother me. As already stated they weren't presented in a sexual image and the image has to be taken in the context of the whole thread. At least no one replied to that post with "O my god boobies!" I honestly am more offend when a man freaks out about seeing a woman breast feeding in public - O no breast being desexualised and being used for their proper purpose, the horror.

The images of women I find offensive aren't the ones showing them naked or even showing them in a sexual manner but the ones that show them as submissive. For example several months a comic book cover came out with the following image:
Heros for hire original image

It caused up roar and all the top heads at Marvel claimed all the femnazis were getting their knickers in a twist cus the characters are half dressed, have big boobies etc but the actually issue most female readers had was that these were meant to be "superhero" women who were being presented as submissive and weak. The image was remixed by one artist to show the difference
heros for hire remixed cover

The big boobies are still there, the tight clothes but the characters are looking at the camera and come across as sexual but strong women.

Sorry have taken this totally off topic now.

Silverfish

Well, in all fairness, there ARE pictures of exposed caucasian boobs in this forum.


Nobody reported them.

Cheeky_gal

Dudess wrote: »

Oh cheeky_gal, surely you don't think I'm being serious?! I couldn't give a fukk what colour any male or female wears, nor do I think the colours they wear are an indication of how manly/girly or otherwise they are. However, culturally, pink is associated with femininity, black is associated with masculinity (to a point - black, as someone said earlier, can also be associated with female sexuality). Marketers package "female" products in pastel/bright colours, "male" products in "manly" colours like black, grey, navy, and it's very powerful. It has come to the point where girls truly believe they desire only pink, pretty things. Hell, I'm the epitome of non-girly (I don't make a point of it, I'm just not girly) yet I find myself passing the "girls" stationery in Easons with the pretty colours and sparkles and feathers and going back to have another look at them...

:eek:

YOU SAID FUK!!!!

Baudelaire

FFS the OP wanted a pink external harddrive, the OP found a pink external hard drive, the OP is happy she now has a pink external harddrive. What's the f***ing problem with that? why does every thread have to be taken over with this "We're conditioned to like pink/fluffy things/teddybears/shiney things" crap? Pink is pretty, pink is girly and there's nothing wrong with liking pink things. Just because you like girly things doesn't make you any less a woman and to be honest the only thing that's making this forum less female is all the hardline feminist crap that's been going on lately. I assume the forum was created as a place where women could post in a woman safe zone but seriously read some of the sh**e being spouted by some of the posters here it's no wonder we all prefer BGRH, at least all the lads don't question every action we take like we're letting down our gender. If this crap is going to continue I'd suggest asking for a feminist forum because pretty soon no one is going to want to start a thread or post for fear of being jumped on by the hairy armpit brigade :rolleyes: