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knowledge economy my .... a rant about how businesses are being screwed as well :(
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11-02-2008 3:21pm#1Ok i hope i am posting in the correct forum
i need to let of some steam that build up after hearing the words "knowledge economy" coming out of Bertie's mouth yet again
Let me introduce myself
The Galway based company I work for and founded is involved in hosting some very large sites (see attachment comparing to bebo and boards) and coding the back end systems, maintaining servers for them, and so on, anyways ..
Our work is all done over the net, managing remote servers etc, currently collocating 20 servers in Germany, USA and using about 1200mbit upload on average between all the machines, 24x7 (thats more than goes thru' the INEX btw), alot of the sites we manage are used almost daily by people here (1 in every 200 internet users goes thru our servers daily)
Anyways i got very pissed off this morning when i heard Bertie say "knowledge economy", my company has an edge because of the excellent smart IT guys on board and because we can get huge amounts of bandwidth for our applications/sites for cheap outside of Ireland
What really ticked me off is that i have to spend 5 digit monthly on server/bandwidth fees outside of Ireland, this is money that can easily stay here in the local economy, there meant to be gigabits/sec of unused fiber capacity here in Galway alone and the country as a whole,
but i cant run the core of the business from Ireland, why!?? why do ESB networks and other providers quote me 10 times what we pay now for bandwidth and collocation on the continent and the US?
why are we being ripped of? why have all that capacity and prevent small business like mine tapping into it at the same prices that are paid elsewhere (probably due to huge amounts of competition and lack of it here in Ireland)
where does all the tax money we pay goes? didn't they use millions/billions? on digging up all the streets and putting in the cables??
I hope they realize that i can as easily do my business from any other country and we are sticking with Ireland cause of the deep family ties for time being, In this new knowledge economy its very easy for knowledge based companies like mine to move out of Ireland since we don't have many physical assets, our assets are our employees and their know-how
I'm sorry for a long rant, i feel like writing a similar letter to Galway chamber of commerce and the communications minister
Thanks for reading and looking forward to any suggestions on whom I can bug about this
private individuals are not the only ones are being screwed here on broadband, businesses are suffering too
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Perhaps the correct comparison would be colocation in Ireland vs colocation in those other countries.
send an email to blacknight.ie | hosting365.com | strencom.net
and ask how much they want for a full rack, with 1-2 gbit connection and commit, you'll will be shocked :eek:
i know the fella from blacknight is around on these forums perhaps he can give a quote
our bandwidth usage is similar to whats going thru the Inex ( https://www.inex.ie/technical/stats ) +/- 200mbit on average as our servers peak at different time of day
EDIT: i added the live overview screen for the US cluster of servers we have (bandwidth is the far right column) and mrtg for the 1st server on that list, there just no way we can run these servers in Ireland as my company would be ripped off on the super expensive bandwidth fees
what my rant is all about why should we spend money abroad when the infrastructure here in Ireland exists but the prices are being kept artificially high by a cartel of few large companies
"Broadband infrastructure must be put in place to make our electronic communication both available and affordable"
taken from Galway Chamber of Commerce manifesto @ http://www.galwaychamber.com/uploadedfiles/MicrosoftWord-ElectionManifesto2007.pdf <= that really cracks me up!
http://www.enet.ie/pdfs/Galway_180507.pdf <= the fiber is right outside on the street by our office!
http://www.ndp.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=586 <= with the prices we were quoted we should afford to built one of these ourselves in few short years! lol
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I'd bet the US guys make more money than Blacknight / Hosting365
The infrastructure cost is high here.
Self hosting you could pay the same just for your own electric and x10 for the connection bandwidth.
There is a bit of bottle neck someplace between states and here, so if hits are mostly Irish you may have to use Irish hosting. US hosting is fine for a North American hits and if you don't mind full U.S. Gov access. They don't have EU standard Data Protection.
Why is it tho? where did all the money on wiring up the country went?
why 10 times the price difference?
how can Ireland be competitive with costs way above other countries in the EU? how can we build high tech industry when the foundations are rotten
Why are ESB sitting on a pile fiber and keeping the prices high (i worked for ESB in their HQ few years ago and ironically enough they used to get Internet connection for head office from BT, tho better not say more with the nondisclosure agreements
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also only half of out servers are in US the rest are in Germany where the prices are very low as well and im currently looking to colocate in Netherlands as well
most of our applications are not than latency sensitive
but i did an MTR to blacknight and to one of the servers in germany, same latency (im on NThell here) and less0 -
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yea its a sad state of things, Im gonna reword my rant in a more polite manner and mail it to Eamon Ryan, see if he even bothers responding
Hah! Hah! ahahaahhahaahh HAAAAAAAahhhaaaah ggggagagggggagg Hrpmppph .
eamo will send you the usual boilerplate rubbish he sends everybody. He is too thick and far too arrogant to care about some technical expertise in the west of ireland . you get in the way of his bicycles thats all.
In fact eamo has a project to get rid of everybody ( and their sheeps) in the areas of operation marked in light green on his map here
...which are very well provided with broadband as we all know ...and all the better provided since ryan took over as minister.
"The provision of broadband is left to market yadda in a competitive gush goo regulated by Comreg "
the next google or youtube or facebook of the web will never be born in Ireland cause of this
Thats true, Ryan does not care so don't tell him .Im after securing another 50mbit commit with the datacenter for $US 300 routed thru Tiscali /XO / Verio mix, thats $6 per mbit
Feck , I am paying £7.50 a megabit in London . I must email them thieving english bastards and give them a piece of my mind.
As for Galway, €1200 a meg in the city and outside the city don't make me laugh
Maybe we country people should start to kidnap BICYCLES and hold them to ransom , eh!!!!?? ryan would certainly care about that .
but humans and economies and knowledge economies outside Dublin 4???0 -
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Feck , I am paying £7.50 a megabit in London . I must email them thieving english bastards and give them a piece of my mind.
As for Galway, €1200 a meg in the city and outside the city don't make me laugh
Maybe we country people should start to kidnap BICYCLES and hold them to ransom , eh!!!!?? ryan would certainly care about that .
but humans and economies and knowledge economies outside Dublin 4???
doesn't have to be Galway, i don't mind driving to Dublin or Cork or anywhere else in this country to collocate a few servers
hell i already have to pay nice amounts to ship of heavy servers to US or the continent, and last summer went to Netherlands to tour a datacenter (and chill out it in the dam
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what my earlier rant was about (i calmed down now, as long as i dont ever have to hear Bertie again!) was that not only private individuals are getting screwed when it comes to communications here in Ireland but startups and small companies are not doing much better either
I am currently looking at collocating here in Ireland the database/search servers we have which dont use much bandwidth at all, but are fairly power hungry due to all the CPUs,
but it still works out cheaper to fly to London from Galway (low fare airlines one thing we Irish do well!) stay overnight than drive to Dublin and deal with the crowd there
bleh i am an optimist but no amounts of hot air from our politicians will change the situtation for the foreseeable future0 -
but it still works out cheaper to fly to London from Galway (low fare airlines one thing we Irish do well!) stay overnight than drive to Dublin and deal with the crowd there
Thats why my server farm is in London , the hosting is cheaper because energy is cheaper. Minister Ryan is in charge of that little problem too do not forget that. Minister Ryan neither understands or cares about that mess either.
The cheap bandwidth is icing on the cake. It takes 5 hours door to door Galway - Isle of Dogs via Shannon .......I never fly air arann in the winter months because of all the diversions and that Luton flight at night is always knocked back and the plane smells overly of puke and/or bleach
I would only ever entertain Dublin if they actually put the data centre under the ****ing aer arann terminal in the airport.
I hate going there and hate being there and simply loathe the long drive back in rain and traffic . An expensive spread out ****hole is what Dublin is and not the hub of any knowledge economy that I can discern.
On the other hand the main datacentre clusters in London are in two small areas with proper public transport unlike Dublin where they are spread out willy nilly with no choice but to use a car.
I also get some 'arbitrage' opportunities on VAT depending on the precise configurations of the front end and back end of the system 0
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