Capello v Trapattoni

darkman2

Barring some disaster between now and Wednesday - Trapattoni will be the new manager for the ROI soccer squad.


Since we have done pretty much exactly what the English have done - who has done the best deal here in your opinion? Both managers are the best Europe has to offer really in terms of potential international managers. Both managers are World Class regardless of their 'defensive' style they both have in common.


Capello's CV

Italy:

Scudetto: 1991/92, 1992/93, 1993/94, 1995/96 (Milan); 2000/01 (Roma)2004/05, 2005/06 (Juventus)
Runner-up: 2001/02, 2003/04 (Roma)
UEFA Champions League: 1994 (Milan 4–0 Barcelona)
Runner-up: 1993 (Marseille 1–0 Milan) 1995 (Ajax 1–0 Milan)
European Super Cup: 1994 (Milan 2–0 Arsenal)
Supercoppa Italiana: 1992, 1993, 1994 (Milan); 2001 (Roma)
Runner-up: 2005 (Juventus)
Coppa Italia Runner-up: 1997/98 (Milan); 2002/03 (Roma)
Spain:

La Liga: 1996/97; 2006/07 (Real Madrid)

Trapattoni's CV

Manager
AC Milan
Coppa Italia:
Runner-up: 1974–75
Juventus
Serie A: 1977, 1978, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1986
Runners-up: 1980, 1983, 1992, 1994
Coppa Italia: 1979, 1983
Runners-up: 1992
European Cup: 1985
Runners-up: 1983
Cup Winners' Cup: 1984
UEFA Cup : 1977, 1993
European Super Cup: 1984
Intercontinental Cup: 1985
Internazionale
Serie A : 1988–89
UEFA Cup: 1990–91
FC Bayern Munich
Bundesliga: 1996–97
Runners-up: 1997–98
German Cup: 1997–98
AC Fiorentina
Coppa Italia
Runners-up: 1998–99
SL Benfica
SuperLiga: 2004–05
Taça de Portugal
Runners-up: 2004–05.
FC Red Bull Salzburg
T-Mobile Bundesliga: 2006–07

Sorry if a little confusing - quoted from wiki;)


Anyway who has done best here in your opinion - the Engish FA or the FAI? In my honest opinion the FAI has (never got to say that before!) - they got (ooops may get) a world class manager of at least equal status with Capello for less dosh. (Capello gets £6 million a year from the FA).


Since both appointments are similiar in going for a big name Italian - who has done better in your opinion?

And just for fun - who is the best of the two?:)

Vokes

Trap was mentor to Capello, wasn't he? Capello played for him or was an assistant or something?

Trappatoni's CV post-1990 looks a bit worse off than pre-1990.

~Rebel~

Overall all things considered, i think we've done better in that we're paying significantly less, and more importantly we're a small country with a rubbish recent past, we're not world beaters and have no chance of actually winning the EC or WC.

England are a far greater draw for a manager. Great players and a chance to win something, as well as huge wads of money.

Capello is undoubtedly the better manager (among the top 5 in the world imo), but Irelands coup is the more exceptional.

kinaldo

England. Trapattoni arguably has a superior CV but then he's been around for a lot longer. And now he's probably too old. He also failed with Italy.

darkman2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pm4jD5kU4U


Italy 2002 - robbed - absolutely fleeced;) Hard to judge him against the backdrop of this tournament.

Unearthly

Who would of thought our new managers cv could be comparable to Capello a few months ago

kinaldo

darkman2 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pm4jD5kU4U


Italy 2002 - robbed - absolutely fleeced;) Hard to judge him against the backdrop of this tournament.

Don't forget about their Euro 2004 debacle.

eirebhoy

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Capello is undoubtedly the better manager (among the top 5 in the world imo), but Irelands coup is the more exceptional.

Yep.

Bounty Hunter

if it was who would you prefer then easily Capello sedpite tthe lack of prior international experience, and I think most people would agree. However who is a better appointment for their respective association, probably Trapattoni because England are expected to appoint a manager of that quality Ireland are not. Look at his predecsor (staunton) or the other people interviewed Venables, Davies etc

darkman2

Gonna play the devils advocate here because many think Capello is the best man narrowly.



Is this ageism? Should we not be saying - the man has the biggest CV - the most experience? - as opposed to 'he is too old'? AFAIK he runs and trains now 'like a man half his age'..........and his training sessions are serious but still a good craic. Are we being harsh with the age thing? Capello is younger but apparently has enormous respect for Trapittoni and speaks very highly of him. Remember both are equally defensive and have a conservative style of play.

estebancambias

For **** sake, he's like 3 years older than Ferguson. Ferguson will be coach at UTD next year, Trappa will be doing like 10 games a year.

In relation to Italys failure, first point, the Danes and Swedes had a little conspiracy going, Cassano's goal should have meant qualification.

Now remember we are Ireland, not Italy. Trapattoni will have a far greater impact on our players me thinks. This is a great day.

kinaldo

estebancambias wrote: »

For **** sake, he's like 3 years older than Ferguson. Ferguson will be coach at UTD next year, Trappa will be doing like 10 games a year.

In relation to Italys failure, first point, the Danes and Swedes had a little conspiracy going, Cassano's goal should have meant qualification.

Now remember we are Ireland, not Italy. Trapattoni will have a far greater impact on our players me thinks. This is a great day.

A great day for Ireland will be the day we qualify for a major championships again. I'm not gonna get too excited about any manager taking over until I see results on the pitch.

As for age, Trapattoni probably isn't past it but is definitely past his best. A lot of people were saying that about Ferguson 2 years ago and it's still debatable. Trap has had scattered success with various clubs across Europe since the end of the 80s and early 90s, much like Sir Bobby had, but nothing close to a European Cup or anything.

And whether you believe it or not, he did fail with Italy.

leninbenjamin

darkman2 wrote: »

Barring some disaster between now and Wednesday - Trapattoni will be the new manager for the ROI soccer squad.

well done. you have now jinxed the appointment. because of the fundamental forces of nature and there seeming inability to penetrate into the board room of the FAI it's a guarantee that Trapp won't be appointed. you should feel proud of yourself.

shane86

Ive never been too excited about Capello. The whole Beckham thing at Real strikes me as showing he can let his own petty vendettas get in the way of the teams good, and I wouldnt be surprised if, like Van Basten in 2006 with Van Nis, or Givens in the last two games, he would make decisions influenced by petty girevances and grudges.

So there you have it. WC quarter final. Regards Beckham as too old for WC 2010. Doesnt play Rooney. Stephen Ireland with a hatrick for Trappas Army to send them home

You read it here first.

Mr. Presentable

kinaldo wrote: »

A great day for Ireland will be the day we qualify for a major championships again. I'm not gonna get too excited about any manager taking over until I see results on the pitch.

As for age, Trapattoni probably isn't past it but is definitely past his best. A lot of people were saying that about Ferguson 2 years ago and it's still debatable. Trap has had scattered success with various clubs across Europe since the end of the 80s and early 90s, much like Sir Bobby had, but nothing close to a European Cup or anything.

And whether you believe it or not, he did fail with Italy.

I agree with just about all of this, but wtf is Sir Bobby?

Oh, and for what it's worth, Capello is not just better, he is top in the world, unequalled in club success. Remains to be seen if he can do it at this level though.

~Rebel~

shane86 wrote: »

Ive never been too excited about Capello. The whole Beckham thing at Real strikes me as showing he can let his own petty vendettas get in the way of the teams good, and I wouldnt be surprised if, like Van Basten in 2006 with Van Nis, or Givens in the last two games, he would make decisions influenced by petty girevances and grudges.

Except that he put the petty grievances with Beckham behind him, brought him back into the team, admitted his mistake and went on to win the league...

leninbenjamin

shane86 wrote: »

Ive never been too excited about Capello. The whole Beckham thing at Real strikes me as showing he can let his own petty vendettas get in the way of the teams good, and I wouldnt be surprised if, like Van Basten in 2006 with Van Nis, or Givens in the last two games, he would make decisions influenced by petty girevances and grudges.

So there you have it. WC quarter final. Regards Beckham as too old for WC 2010. Doesnt play Rooney. Stephen Ireland with a hatrick for Trappas Army to send them home

You read it here first.

What he did with Beckham was a spot of genius. Beckham has always played best when he has something to prove, he has a ridiculous ego. Had Capello not treated Beckham that way I think it's pretty much a sure thing that he wouldn't have played that well. and he's now playing in a piss take of a league, which will probably speed up his decline as a footballer. Any manager would be daft to be considering Beckham in his plans. maybe he'll have his Indian summer, you never know. but i think that league win the Real was his swansong. and i'm pretty sure Beckham thinks that way, i dont think his Ego would have allowed him to go play in the states otherwise.

shane86

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Except that he put the petty grievances with Beckham behind him, brought him back into the team, admitted his mistake and went on to win the league...

He shouldnt have had them in the first place, or at the very least certainly shouldnt have aired them to the media/fans. Did anyone think Givens downing Stephen Ireland on tv was adviseable? Same situation basically.

leninbenjamin wrote: »

What he did with Beckham was a spot of genius. Beckham has always played best when he has something to prove, he has a ridiculous ego. Had Capello not treated Beckham that way I think it's pretty much a sure thing that he wouldn't have played that well. and he's now playing in a piss take of a league, which will probably speed up his decline as a footballer. Any manager would be daft to be considering Beckham in his plans. maybe he'll have his Indian summer, you never know. but i think that league win the Real was his swansong. and i'm pretty sure Beckham thinks that way, i dont think his Ego would have allowed him to go play in the states otherwise.

Genius? He pushed a player out of a club, then realised he needed him after all, and Beckham had the upper hand.

Now its a case of either

a- Take revenge and not play him even if he is fit

or

b- Beckham will be out of form anyway from playing in the LA Sunday League after work standard team. The US thing died before it began because he was unfit so often he fell out of the public eye.

eirebhoy

Trap has finished in the top 2 in the league 17 times, winning 10. Top 2 in domestic cups 7 times, winning 3. Twice has been in the European cup final, winning 1. 3 UEFA cup wins. 1 Cup Winners Cup win. 1 Super Cup and 1 World Club Championship.

32 medals in his 33 years of management.

_blank_

eirebhoy wrote: »

Trap has finished in the top 2 in the league 17 times, winning 10. Top 2 in domestic cups 7 times, winning 3. Twice has been in the European cup final, winning 1. 3 UEFA cup wins. 1 Cup Winners Cup win. 1 Super Cup and 1 World Club Championship.

32 medals in his 33 years of management.

And still there are clowns texting NewsTalk saying Venables should get the Ireland job.

that post I quoted needs to be stickied for the duration of Trapp's tenure, and pointed to when clowns on here start to question his appointment and decisions, and then when the players once again capitulate, I can point and say "I told you so".

LuckyLloyd

lol at the suggestion that Venables comes close to Trapatonni in terms of coaching expertise. Idiots.

scruff321

darkman2 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pm4jD5kU4U


Italy 2002 - robbed - absolutely fleeced;) Hard to judge him against the backdrop of this tournament.

thats just unbeleiveable i noticed that eejit graham poll was one of the brutal officals :rolleyes:
and i am/will be very happy with trappotini the man has a wealth of experience and is a winner

gucci

its going to be so strange to hear dunphy,giles,brady and alot of journalists et all actually supporting a manager from the start, will be really unusual that they will actually have respect for him!! And the mood with the supporters is generally positive after so many names (many dodgy!) being bandied about.

So the man might actually be given a chance to get the side organised, without the oirish sun etc turning up with a kermit the frog suit after the first dropped points.

I hope it goes well for him if he is appointed, the Italy matchs should have an extra bit of spice to them also!!


Regarding the Capello/Beckham Madrid thing, i think he wanted to drop him because of his ego, as did sven, but at the end of the day when you have van nistlerooy or need delivery from dead balls and crosses there aint too many better than him, its a serious option and an easy option for goals in tight games....a goal is a goal at the end of the day.

Fanny Cradock

kinaldo wrote: »

England. Trapattoni arguably has a superior CV but then he's been around for a lot longer. And now he's probably too old. He also failed with Italy.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there only 8 years age difference between the two? Are you actually going to give him a chance, or are you happy enough pooh-poohing his time in charge before he even begins?


Anyway, sour pusses aside, these are exciting times!

darkman2

I dont think many realise the enormity of this appointment. Saver the words - this is a World Class manager - how often can we say that!? He has possibly the best CV in Europe. How did we go from 'the gaffa' to this!?:eek: Its like full circle from crap to the best.

estebancambias

On Setanta they said when they mentioned the Trap's appointment ''Thats a turn up for the books''

darkman2

Why does everyone keep spelling Trapattoni's name wrong:rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd

darkman2 wrote: »

Why does everyone keep spelling Trapattoni's name wrong:rolleyes:

we're not Italian imo.

estebancambias

Seriously who is fecking over the moon?

I can't stop talking about it to be honest. I am so so happy.

astrofool

darkman2 wrote: »

Why does everyone keep spelling Trapattoni's name wrong:rolleyes:

Because it's non obvious that there's two t's toward the end of his name just from pronunciation (by the Irish), seriously, there's other things to worry about, and there's a forum called spell czech's where you can vent these frustrations to the vocal minority.

Xavi6

estebancambias wrote: »

Seriously who is fecking over the moon?

I can't stop talking about it to be honest. I am so so happy.

There's a difference between being happy and making requests for him to have his own forum -

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055235206

ShoulderChip

Why do people insist Capello was involved in Beckham not playing for real madrid.
It was the president.
read the guardian for fuck sake
the tabloids will ruin your mind.

estebancambias

Xavi6 wrote: »

There's a difference between being happy and making requests for him to have his own forum -

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055235206

Lighten up like, its a joke.

Xavi6

estebancambias wrote: »

Lighten up like, its a joke.

Not a very funny one really to be fair. Sure he hasn't even been appointed yet! In 25 years time we'd have a forum for some long dead Italian bloke who was once linked with the Ireland job.

estebancambias

It was hardly going to cause a LOL reaction, more tongue in cheek to be honest.

No see Xavi your mistaken, a long dead Italian who was the first world class manager Ireland ever had.

darkman2

Xavi6 wrote: »

Not a very funny one really to be fair. Sure he hasn't even been appointed yet! In 25 years time we'd have a forum for some long dead Italian bloke who was once linked with the Ireland job.

You could make a forum temporarily.:rolleyes:

gucci

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Why do people insist Capello was involved in Beckham not playing for real madrid.
It was the president.
read the guardian for fuck sake
the tabloids will ruin your mind.

i dont read the tabloids or the guardian either, to be honest neither is going to be 100% accurate on something that involves personalities and egos as large as capellos,beckhams and the president of real madrid, who im sure was quite happy for beckham to play and help and shift millions of jerseys......

kinaldo

There was never any personal vendetta or fallout between the two as some here believe. When Beckham failed to sign a contract extension with Madrid and then signed for LA Galaxy, Capello naturally thought he would no longer be 100% committed to Madrid's cause, so decided not to figure him into his plans. Beckham proved him wrong in subsequent training sessions so Capello went against his president (who was personally offended by Beckham's contract snub) and restored him to the team, which proved to be a masterstroke and also showed great humility.

Mr Alan

this thread is soooo Irish.

Capello is a better appointment than Trappa. But then the English job is a far far far more attractive and well paid job so they should be able to attract the top canditates. They did.

We have done excellently attracting Trappa. But Capello is the man.

leninbenjamin

Mr Alan wrote: »

this thread is soooo Irish.

Capello is a better appointment than Trappa. But then the English job is a far far far more attractive and well paid job so they should be able to attract the top canditates. They did.

We have done excellently attracting Trappa. But Capello is the man.

what makes you say that though? i'm not too familar with either too be honest but they seem like very similar managers, quite conservative if i'm honest. the only obvious difference is Trappa has had an unsuccessful experience at international management, but seeing as Capello has had none so far you can't really say he'll be better.

and Lloyd, the fact Venables mightn't be as good a coach will make sweet feck all different. it's good man management skills thats needed for the international game.

darkman2

Both equally good IMO. On balance very little between Trapattoni and Capello. Capello interestingly has huge respect for Trapattoni and ive heard speaks very highly of him and calls him 'Sir'. Trapattoni far more experienced but Capello younger (though only by 8 years?) and fresher.


If you go through the various elements of both their history's it really does balance out even.

Tusky

If this falls through you will be able to hear the hearts of football fans around Ireland collectively break. Fingers crossed it goes ahead anyway.