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Fundamental Rights

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    N8
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭N8


    rigormortis wrote: »
    Has anyone got any views on this;

    http://www.infowars.com/?p=194

    coming to The 'New' Ireland soon...


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    N8 wrote: »
    coming to The 'New' Ireland soon...

    Correct, but all for the good of the masses at large........ An absolute horror show.


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    N8
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭N8


    enslavement of the masses...


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    Eero
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    N8 wrote: »
    enslavement of the masses...

    Thats the way the masses want it.


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    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    rigormortis wrote: »
    Has anyone got any views on this;
    Didn't you post this in AH too?
    Eero wrote: »
    Thats the way the masses want it.
    Ah, yet another alter ego.


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    sovtek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭sovtek


    Eero wrote: »
    Thats the way the masses want it.

    I seriously doubt it. I'd imagine that most people expect the police to act according to the law they are meant to uphold.


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Didn't you post this in AH too?
    Have you got a problem with this? And I'll even answer your next question, it is not spamming, it is gathering a range of opinions.
    djpbarry wrote: »
    Ah, yet another alter ego.

    I am sure our good friend OB would have site banned both if he thought they were the same person, so yet again you are in the wrong.

    Have you any comments on the subject of this thread or are you just here to cause friction?


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    sovtek wrote: »
    I seriously doubt it. I'd imagine that most people expect the police to act according to the law they are meant to uphold.

    Well then why do they constantly refuse to stand up against such violations. Silence is consent, always has been.


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    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    rigormortis wrote: »
    Have you any comments on the subject of this thread or are you just here to cause friction?
    Fine. I think it is an extremely biased report that seems to be very light on facts.


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Fine. I think it is an extremely biased report that seems to be very light on facts.

    Its not the first or last time we have heard of such brutality.


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    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    rigormortis wrote: »
    Its not the first or last time we have heard of such brutality.
    Do you believe everything you see on television?


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    N8
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭N8


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Fine. I think it is an extremely biased report that seems to be very light on facts.

    it may well be: no previous, wife of a school teacher, she was the victim of an assault, her cousin called the police, an officer took her dead sister's ID off her then told her to shut up about her dead sister, arrested her when she wouldn't then stripped her naked and left her in a cell solitary overnight in pain (from the assault) without medical attention, without a sheet even to cover her....
    rigormortis wrote: »
    Its not the first or last time we have heard of such brutality.

    Brian Rossiter anyone?
    djpbarry wrote: »
    Do you believe everything you see on television?

    fair point but far from isolated in the US and becoming increasingly common here in Ireland.


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    sovtek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭sovtek


    rigormortis wrote: »
    Well then why do they constantly refuse to stand up against such violations. Silence is consent, always has been.

    Actually there are various groups that do speak up about issues of police brutality and other such repressive actions of the government. You might not always hear about it.


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Do you believe everything you see on television?

    :D


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    sovtek wrote: »
    Actually there are various groups that do speak up about issues of police brutality and other such repressive actions of the government. You might not always hear about it.

    True. That is again the role played by the media, somewhat of a filtering medium. A point has long since been reached where enough is enough.


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    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    N8 wrote: »
    ...she was the victim of an assault, her cousin called the police, an officer took her dead sister's ID off her then told her to shut up about her dead sister, arrested her when she wouldn't then stripped her naked and left her in a cell solitary overnight in pain (from the assault) without medical attention, without a sheet even to cover her....
    According to the "victim". The point is we don't really know what happened and, as such, discussing any crime that may or may not have taken place is pointless because we don't have all the facts. We might as well be discussing an article in today's News of the World.
    N8 wrote: »
    fair point but far from isolated in the US and becoming increasingly common here in Ireland.
    Biased reporting? Absolutely.
    rigormortis wrote: »
    That is again the role played by the media, somewhat of a filtering medium.
    And yet you are prepared to take this particular video at face value, even though you admit that the media are far from perfect?


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    djpbarry wrote: »
    According to the "victim". The point is we don't really know what happened and, as such, discussing any crime that may or may not have taken place is pointless because we don't have all the facts. We might as well be discussing an article in today's News of the World.

    There will always be two sides to any story. In this case the video evidence was released by the Sheriff.
    djpbarry wrote: »
    And yet you are prepared to take this particular video at face value, even though you admit that the media are far from perfect?

    You have to analyse the situation. What had this particular news station to gain by reporting this event. In my opinion only for the fact of unquestionable evidence they would not have became involved.


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    Adam
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    rigormortis wrote: »
    There will always be two sides to any story. In this case the video evidence was released by the Sheriff.

    Which only reinforces the point that they had nothing to hide and were simply doing their job. But the media picked it up and ran with it, with no fair side to the story from the sheriff himself.
    rigormortis wrote: »
    You have to analyse the situation. What had this particular news station to gain by reporting this event. In my opinion only for the fact of unquestionable evidence they would not have became involved.


    They had lot's to gain, in as far as news stations are concerned. They had it as an exclusive. And they therefore gain viewers. Which let's face it, is all that matters in tv land a lot of the time.

    I think it's a incredibly biased report, with the wrong ideas in mind on the news stations part, and over-hyped.

    I see no physical wrong-doing in the video towards the woman at all, other than the fact that she was in cuffs, which is enforced by the fact that she was clearly not cooperating and has been charged with even resisting the initial arrest.


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    Mirror wrote: »
    I see no physical wrong-doing in the video towards the woman at all

    After you make a statement like that I can only conclude that you are trolling. Go to the soccer forum or I assume there is a celebrity forum also.


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    Adam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,866 ✭✭✭Adam


    rigormortis wrote: »
    After you make a statement like that I can only conclude that you a trolling. Go to the soccer forum or I assume there is a celebrity forum also.
    Instead of just being an imbicile about it and accusing me of trolling, why don't you provide some sort of support for your argument.

    Debating lessons to be honest.


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    Zombrex
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    rigormortis wrote: »
    Has anyone got any views on this;

    http://www.infowars.com/?p=194

    I think its great ...

    Wait, was that the wrong answer?


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    Zombrex
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    N8 wrote: »
    fair point but far from isolated in the US and becoming increasingly common here in Ireland.
    Women are regularly strip searched by male gardai?


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    Wicknight wrote: »
    Women are regularly strip searched by male gardai?

    I think he was referring to police brutality, even sited a case if I remember correctly.


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    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    rigormortis wrote: »
    I think he was referring to police brutality, even sited a case if I remember correctly.

    And police brutality is becoming increasingly common in Ireland?


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    #26
    Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭Moriarty


    Rigormortis, next time you create a thread please remember to place your own opinion in the opening post. If I see another thread with a link and "Discuss." placed after it the thread will be locked.

    If you think someone is trolling report the post and do not make any comment about it on the thread.

    Please pay attention to ^^ or you'll end up banned soon enough.


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    #27
    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    Moriarty wrote: »
    Rigormortis, next time you create a thread please remember to place your own opinion in the opening post. If I see another thread with a link and "Discuss." placed after it the thread will be locked.

    If you think someone is trolling report the post and do not make any comment about it on the thread.

    Please pay attention to ^^ or you'll end up banned soon enough.

    Did not know there was a problem with this. The problems normally start when I state my opinions:D. Duly noted.


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    Wicknight wrote: »
    And police brutality is becoming increasingly common in Ireland?

    It is rampant everywhere. You see a lot of people in authority seem to believe that they are above the law. And they are correct in a lot of cases.


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    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Wicknight wrote: »
    I think its great ...

    Wait, was that the wrong answer?
    :D
    rigormortis wrote: »
    I think he was referring to police brutality, even sited a case if I remember correctly.
    He cited ONE case, which, as far as I know, is still under investigation. One case does not constitute widespread occurrence.
    rigormortis wrote: »
    It is rampant everywhere.
    Do you ever back up your statements with evidence? Please provide some sort of evidence that police brutality is rampant everywhere in Ireland.


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    rigormortis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 216 ✭✭rigormortis


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Please provide some sort of evidence that police brutality is rampant everywhere in Ireland.

    Shell to Sea, strike a bell?


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    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    rigormortis wrote: »
    Shell to Sea, strike a bell?
    I presume you are referring to the clashes in November 2006? According to the RTE report of the incident, "a number of people were injured", but it doesn't say how. However, there were no reports of Gardaí capturing women and stripping them.

    I still don't think we have uncovered the "rampant brutality" that you are referring to.


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