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Couple of questions on custom builds

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  • 13-02-2008 12:42pm
    #1
    joker77
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    First off - I'm planning to buy a new desktop, I'm looking to get an Intel Core 2 Quad 2.4Ghz (Q6600) with 4Gb RAM. I've been shopping around a bit, my mate working in Intel is to come back to me with a price, the best so far are 1 from Komplett and 1 from ankermann


    Komplett - €1,104.75:

    Case: Gigabyte Triton 180 Black
    Power: Silver Power PSU, 600W, 120mm fan
    Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3, P35, Socket-775
    Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB SATA2
    Memory: OCZ Gold XTC DDR2 PC6400 4096MB KIT
    Graphics: Sapphire Radeon X1650PRO 256MB GDDR3
    DVD Drive: NEC DVD±RW burner AD-7200A, IDE
    Audio: Creative SB Audigy SE
    Monitor: Acer 19" LCD AL1916WAs TCO99 Monitor
    Other: Logitech Cordless Desktop EX110
    Other: D-Link DWL-G520 PCI Super G 108Mbps

    Ankermann - €1,127.00:

    Case: Ankermann MidiTower Black
    Power: 600W Power | 12cm Fan
    Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
    Motherboard: MSI P6NGM-FD NVIDIA nForce630i
    Hard Drive: 500GB SATA-II HDD 7200rpm
    Memory: Upgrade to 4 GB DDR2 RAM PC800
    Graphics: NVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB
    DVD Drive: LG GSH H55L DVD-RW Lightscribe
    Audio: Realtek ALC888 7.1 Audio
    Monitor: LG 19inch LCD L1919S 5ms
    Other: Gigabit Ethernet LAN DSL Ready
    Other: Yes, I want a superquiet PC
    Other: Intel Box Cooler


    If you were to chose one based on components - which would you go for?
    I like the way you know exactly what does into the Komplett one, whereas with Ankermann you're not told which memory / hard disk it is.

    I'd probably get the same spec system, albeit with cheaper components, from Dell for a bit less than this with O/S included, but I think I'd prefer to spend the extra and get a custom build.

    1 more question - how do I go about adding in more USB ports - the case for the Komplett comes with only 2 - what component do I need (I know, bit of a noob question)


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    #2
    joker77
    Registered Users Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭joker77


    Just saw on the Ankermann site they have an Intel Offers section:

    Ankermann - €951.80:

    Case: Ankermann MidiTower Black
    Power: 600Watt PFC Switching Power Supply
    Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
    Motherboard: MSI P6NFD
    Hard Drive: 320GB SATA-II HDD SEAGATE 16MB Cache
    Memory: Upgrade to 4 GB DDR2 RAM PC800
    Graphics: PCI-e 256MB NVidia GeForce 8600-GTS TV-out- DVI
    DVD Drive: LG GSH H50L DVD-RW Lightscribe
    Audio: Realtek ALC662 6 Channel Audio
    Monitor: LG 19inch LCD L1919S 5ms
    Other: DSL Ready 10/100 Ethernet LAN
    Other: Yes, I want a superquiet PC
    Other: Intel Box Cooler


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    Shiminay
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    You can get PCI cards with extra USB ports and most mother-boards will come with a back plate that'll take a PCI slot but plug onto a USB slot on the motherboard. A quick google says the Komplett motherboard has 12 USB ports, so I'd say you'll be alright :)

    [Edit]
    You'd want a better graphics card with that Intel Offer on Ankermann


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    joker77
    Registered Users Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭joker77


    Kharn wrote: »
    You can get PCI cards with extra USB ports and most mother-boards will come with a back plate that'll take a PCI slot but plug onto a USB slot on the motherboard. A quick google says the Komplett motherboard has 12 USB ports, so I'd say you'll be alright :)

    [Edit]
    You'd want a better graphics card with that Intel Offer on Ankermann

    Cheers!

    Something like these:

    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=327721

    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=334532

    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=335104

    Perhaps you could explain the difference or point me in the direction of a better solution? Thanks


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    Shiminay
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    They're the sort of thing I was talking about alright.

    However, the specs for the mo bo says 12 ports, which I believe is 4 on the back panel, 2 on the front i/o panel and then the remainder coming via the thingies I mentioned that connects to the USB slots on the mobo, but fits into an expansion card slot on the back of the machine - that's according to the detailed spec list on ebuyer here. So far, my experience of such things says that each USB slot on a mobo supports 2 USB ports, so there must be 4 of these on the board. Don't quote me on that, it's just what I've seen so far :D

    Edit:
    336805.jpg

    Looking at the left of that pic, I see 4 yellow sockets which I suspect are the USB connectors, which tallies up then with 4 on the back panel and 8 extra (which includes your 2 on the front i/o panel).

    Second Edit:
    The Gigabyte Specs confirms all this


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    joker77
    Registered Users Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭joker77


    Great stuff Kharn - cheers for the advice.

    What would your general impression be on both systems? Do you know what the general consensus is in terms of who would be a better supplier - Komplett or Ankermann?

    Komplett come with 3 years warranty, it's 2 for Ankermann - any idea what the support is like if something goes wrong?


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    #7
    RoyalMarine
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    the komplett system has a much better graphics card.


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    #8
    joker77
    Registered Users Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭joker77


    Had a look on the www2.hardwareversand.de site, it seems to work out 200 euro cheaper but you build it yourself!


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    jonny72
    Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭jonny72


    Nope they build it for you for 20 euros extra

    Current content:
    Article Availability Price
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Tray, 8192Kb, LGA775, 64bit, Kentsfield
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 190,46 €
    Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 ,Intel P35, ATX, PCI-Express
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 81,08 €
    Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Sockel 775
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 13,69 €
    2048MB-Kit OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Platinum Dual Channel, CL4
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 40,53 €
    Coolermaster Elite 330 ohne Netzteil schwarz
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 29,88 €
    ATX-Netzteil Corsair VX450W 450 Watt
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 56,37 €
    Jetway 8800GT, NVIDIA 8800GT, 512MB, PCI-Express
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 190,67 €
    Samsung HD501LJ 500GB 7200,16 MB Cache
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 79,99 €
    Samsung SyncMaster 931BW, 19", 2ms, 2000:1 Kontrast, DVI, Windows Vista zertifiziert
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 197,34 €
    Rechner - Zusammenbau
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 19,99 €

    Sum: 900,00 €


    Edit:
    Didn't see you needed 4 gb ram, plus dvd writer, plus shipping should bring it to around the 1k euro mark.

    The komplett graphics card is pretty crap and the Ankermann PC's are decent value but they stick in cheap parts, like ram, motherboard, power supply, etc.

    If you want a rough rough guide to graphics cards go here..
    http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=735&model2=1057&chart=318

    (Just look at the diff between an 8800GT OC and the 1650pro)


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    #10
    jonny72
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    RoyalMarineComm wrote: »
    the komplett system has a much better graphics card.

    The 1650pro?

    Pretty crap card I would've thought.

    I think if this guy is gonna get a system for a grand or so, the very minimum graphics card he should get is an 8800 GS (stay away from 8600's) or the radeon 3850 at the very least..


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    TerrorFirmer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    RoyalMarineComm wrote: »
    the komplett system has a much better graphics card.

    the X1650Pro? That's about the same as a crappy 8500GT, let alone an 8800Gt or even close to the much worse 8600GTS in the second Ankermann pc...


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    jonny72
    Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭jonny72


    Yeah never try and 'guess' whether a graphics card is good or not, Nvidia and Ati try their best to fool buyers with very similar sounding names, huge amounts of memory and higher clock speeds, always go and check it out properly on the net, reviews, etc.

    8500, 8600gt, 8600gts - low to midrange, bad cards..

    8800's (gs, gt, gts 320/512/640, gtx) - Good cards

    Ati/Radeon 1300, 1600, 1650, 2600 - low to midrange, bad cards..

    3850/3870 - Good cards..

    Have a choice? go for an 8800..


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    #13
    joker77
    Registered Users Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭joker77


    Just had another try at building up a shopping cart - it doesn't seem to better priced after all:

    Article Availability Price per unit Quantity Price
    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Tray, 8192Kb, LGA775, 64bit, Kentsfield
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 190,46 € 190,46 € [Delete article]
    Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3 ,Intel P35, ATX, PCI-Express
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 81,08 € 81,08 € [Delete article]
    4096MB DDR2 Corsair Twin2X CL 5, PC6400/800
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 87,45 € 87,45 € [Delete article]
    Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Sockel 775
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 13,69 € 13,69 € [Delete article]
    Coolermaster Elite 330 ohne Netzteil schwarz
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 29,88 € 29,88 € [Delete article]
    ATX-Netzteil Corsair VX450W 450 Watt
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 56,37 € 56,37 € [Delete article]
    Samsung SyncMaster 931BW, 19", 2ms, 2000:1 Kontrast, DVI, Windows Vista zertifiziert
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 197,34 € 197,34 € [Delete article]
    Jetway 8800GT, NVIDIA 8800GT, 512MB, PCI-Express
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 190,67 € 190,67 € [Delete article]
    Samsung HD501LJ 500GB 7200,16 MB Cache
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 79,99 € 79,99 € [Delete article]
    LG GSA-H55N schwarz bare
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 26,69 € 26,69 € [Delete article]
    Logitech Cordl. Desktop EX110 refresh
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 27,78 € 27,78 € [Delete article]
    D-Link AirPl.XtremeG DWL-G520 108MBit Wireless PCI-Adapter
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 22,19 € 22,19 € [Delete article]
    Creative SoundBlaster Audigy SE
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 31,05 € 31,05 € [Delete article]
    Rechner - Zusammenbau
    The price includes VAT and excludes shipping costs and logistic costs
    ready for dispatch 19,99 € 19,99 € [Delete article]
    Sum: 1.054,63 € 1)


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    #14
    RoyalMarine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    oh god. i meant it the other way round. the 8800gt is far better. the komplett system is NOT better.

    lol my bad :P


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