New Ireland Manager, GioTrap

GuanYin

shane86 wrote: »

IIRC Stan lauded ....

Good post.

but.......

it would have been an unprecendented decline of Leeds Utd or Notts proportions

Notts County were never really that big a club.

therecklessone

First Trap song?

To the tune of "I love you baby"...

Oh Trappatoni,
You are the love of my life,
Oh Trappatoni,
I'd let you shag my wife,
Oh Trappatoni,
I wish I was Italian tooooooooooo.

Courtesy of my Spurs mate Keith who had us singing it at 1am Thursday morning in Prague.

Big Ears

PSI: Las Vegas wrote: »

Notts County were never really that big a club.

They were quite big in the 90's.............of course that's the 1890's .

estebancambias

Just looking there both Johnathon Walters and Liam Lawrence have been banging in the goals in the Championship. Anyone think they should get a call up?

leninbenjamin

estebancambias wrote: »

Just looking there both Johnathon Walters and Liam Lawrence have been banging in the goals in the Championship. Anyone think they should get a call up?

worth looking at, but just because they are getting goals in the championship shouldn't get them an automatic call up. besides, championship players aren't going to edge out Doyle and Keane any time soon. might be better off leaving the remaining spots to the young ones like Long.

estebancambias

''Defence-minded'' coach Giovanni Trapattoni's Red Bull Salzburg beat SV Mattersburg 4-0 on Friday. One point clear at the top now, and second highest goal scorers in the league.

darkman2

He may be a good manager but if we keep hyping him up and it all turns bad we would end up looking a little foolish. I see alot of posts on 606 from guys giving it loads about our new manager, the media too. I wish they would stop until the qualifiers tbh.

MrJoeSoap

estebancambias wrote: »

''Defence-minded'' coach Giovanni Trapattoni's Red Bull Salzburg beat SV Mattersburg 4-0 on Friday. One point clear at the top now, and second highest goal scorers in the league.

Where does all this crap about him being defensive come from?

darkman2 wrote: »

He may be a good manager but if we keep hyping him up and it all turns bad we would end up looking a little foolish. I see alot of posts on 606 from guys giving it loads about our new manager, the media too. I wish they would stop until the qualifiers tbh.

+1. At least give the guy the advantage of not having a pre-conceived expectation on his head.

Vokes

Admittedly, i thought he was defensive-style too given he's a product of that Italian 60s era, but i guess not?

Trapattoni is even more immersed in the Italian defensive tradition of cat-ennacio than Capello, though Houghton dismisses the notion that Trapattoni’s Ireland will be overly defensive.

“He told us that in one season at Juventus, Claudio Gentile got four goals from right back, [Gaetano] Sci-rea got seven from centre back and his left back [Antonio] Cabrini got five. So he wants his defenders to get forward. His philosophy is we attack as a team we defend as a team. What he is bringing is a winning mentality. He got players to play whatever you want to call it.

Interesting read: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article3383145.ece

estebancambias

That is Giles mentality. Poor journalism and stereotypes are why Il Trap is labelled defensive, a point Gabrielle Marcotti made.

Thanks for the link.

estebancambias

Stephen Ireland vows to return to the Irish set up.

Dave!

Link?

Drag00n79

Link

briany

Dave! wrote: »

holy crap i just did a sex wee

happy days

Xavi6 wrote: »

Yay for El Trap!!!!

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Please, please, please let this be true. Tell me it's not a dream!! Is it true? Trap for Ireland?? YUUUUEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

jameshayes wrote: »

He's the best we could have got - by far.

But hopfully people wont have an opinion of him after the first game.

Deleted User wrote: »

So happy!

BaZmO* wrote: »

Just heard him there on the radio saying that he has no problem asking his old friend Arsene Wenger to release Liam Brady to be part of his management team.

I'm really optimistic about the appointment of Trapattoni.

Well, you naive 2008 people, your optimism was misplaced.

Xavi6 wrote: »

I doubt he'll go to Division 1 games.

Hasn't even gone to Division 0 games!:eek:

kitakyushu

In fairness he did get Ireland to a finals (not that I don't give most of the credit to fate and pure dumb luck rather than his managerial ability).

I'd say that was more than most people could have hoped as the house of cards that Stan built rapidly came falling down around us.

Samich

God, 4 years ago. Time flies.

briany

Samich wrote: »

God, 4 years ago. Time flies.

Yes and if he sees out his contract extension, he'll be tied with Mick. McCarthy's era seems like it was a lot more eventful though with the two playoffs and the 2002 WC.

wonderfullife

He got us to the play-offs v France and the euro finals. It's called progress, in spite of the lack of fresh players and in spite of the style of play being cack, it's progress. The Euros could only really ever go 1 of 3 ways: 1. we get battered by technically superior players 2. we put up a good fight, and still don't make it out of the group or 3. we put in superhuman efforts against underperforming rivals or benefit from sendings off or decisions to sneak through. Pre-tournament i was on the same brutal over-optimism train as a lot of people and ignored the logical realism on here! Back to reality now.

Anyway people are allowed get things wrong or, shock, change their minds and opinions. we don't all have crystal balls. Sure Mr Alan wanted Terry feckin Venables back in 2008!!!!! (and if i remember correctly i think i wanted Martin O Neill back then )

grenache

Progress my @rse! Anything that has been achieved in this campaign (in real terms very little) has had very many slices of luck to it; Nicking a point at home to Slovakia despite being second best on the night, the miracle draw in Moscow when the Russians should have been out of sight, Armenia unexpectedly beating Slovakia in Bratislava, the same Armenia team scoring for us despite dominating us for long periods at the Aviva, being paired in the playoffs with Estonia, probably the worst side ever to finish second in a group (after this Irish side of course!).

Well, the luck ran out and we were exposed as most of us knew we would be - under Trapattoni we are merely a disorganised mess, incapable of retaining possession for more than three passes, preferring instead to play aimless hoof-balls down the channels at every opportunity. This Irish team lives for coughing up possession. It all comes down to the manager and what he does with them on the training pitch. The sooner this joker moves on, and we can return to playing something positive that resembles football, the better for all concerned.

wonderfullife

grenache wrote: »

Progress my @rse! Anything that has been achieved in this campaign (in real terms very little) has had very many slices of luck to it; Nicking a point at home to Slovakia despite being second best on the night, the miracle draw in Moscow when the Russians should have been out of sight, Armenia unexpectedly beating Slovakia in Bratislava, the same Armenia team scoring for us despite dominating us for long periods at the Aviva, being paired in the playoffs with Estonia, probably the worst side ever to finish second in a group (after this Irish side of course!).

Well, the luck ran out and we were exposed as most of us knew we would be - under Trapattoni we are merely a disorganised mess, incapable of retaining possession for more than three passes, preferring instead to play aimless hoof-balls down the channels at every opportunity. This Irish team lives for coughing up possession. It all comes down to the manager and what he does with them on the training pitch. The sooner this joker moves on, and we can return to playing something positive that resembles football, the better for all concerned.

sure luck plays a part in everything. Man City winning the title ..... "everton unexpectedly snatching 2 late goals for 4-4", nicking points when they weren't at their best.............. you can go through every campaign in history and point to luck being involved, winning games you didnt deserve to win and other teams doing you a favour. At the end of the day, what matters is the end table and we qualified. The end table in our Group shows we were 4th best.

Anyway luck comes in 2 forms. Good and bad. We got a lot of good luck in qualifying but the group draw wasn't exactly lucky. You end up with sides like Greece in the quarters who have Samaras as their main striker and survived a bombardment against Russia. We got what we deserved in the Euros - nothing. Qualifying was progress. His remit was to get us qualified , he achieved that and we were embarrassed at the euros by better teams and our technical limitations exposed. I'm pretty confident Trap does not tell stephen ward to take a big puff of his cheeks and lump the ball aimlessly 60 yards every time and i'm pretty confident he's not gonna substitute him if he played a pass to Duffers feet.

I want us to blood new players and play good football as much as anyone but people need to accept our current player pool is poor and the options being put forward i.e. Hoolahan, Pilkington, Coleman etc are only a slight step-up from what we have now. We simply don't have a young Duff or Robbie Keane or Roy Keane or Paul McGrath or Liam Brady coming through the ranks right now.

grenache

wonderfullife wrote: »

sure luck plays a part in everything. Man City winning the title ..... "everton unexpectedly snatching 2 late goals for 4-4", nicking points when they weren't at their best.............. you can go through every campaign in history and point to luck being involved, winning games you didnt deserve to win and other teams doing you a favour. At the end of the day, what matters is the end table and we qualified. The end table in our Group shows we were 4th best.

Anyway luck comes in 2 forms. Good and bad. We got a lot of good luck in qualifying but the group draw wasn't exactly lucky. You end up with sides like Greece in the quarters who have Samaras as their main striker and survived a bombardment against Russia. We got what we deserved in the Euros - nothing. Qualifying was progress. His remit was to get us qualified , he achieved that and we were embarrassed at the euros by better teams and our technical limitations exposed. I'm pretty confident Trap does not tell stephen ward to take a big puff of his cheeks and lump the ball aimlessly 60 yards every time and i'm pretty confident he's not gonna substitute him if he played a pass to Duffers feet.

I want us to blood new players and play good football as much as anyone but people need to accept our current player pool is poor and the options being put forward i.e. Hoolahan, Pilkington, Coleman etc are only a slight step-up from what we have now. We simply don't have a young Duff or Robbie Keane or Roy Keane or Paul McGrath or Liam Brady coming through the ranks right now.

i agree luck plays a part in all successes. But the amount of luck Trap got was inordinate and everyone seems to be in agreement there. He needed it because the team's performances alone were not enough to get us to Poland.

I can only assume Trap does condone the long ball tactic, seeing as we play so much of it. It's either long ball, sideways, backwards or more commonly lost to the opposition. Rarely does the ball seem to go forward in a positive move.

I feel it's disingenuous to say the new crop of Hoolahan & co are a "only a slight step up" on what we have currently. They are much better players. Guys who are performing well for their clubs week in, week out. More importantly all play to feet and know what it is to keep the ball, unlike the current squad of players. Robbie Keane is playing in the MLS, and has contributed little to this team in some time. Likewise Kevin Doyle, unless scoring against Andorra counts. Andrews doesn't have a club and couldn't hack it for West Brom when he did. Whelan can't get in Stoke's first 11. Ditto St Ledger at Championship side Leicester. Ward, like Doyle, has just been relegated at Wolves.

Meanwhile quality form players like the group above are ignored. And the likes of Long, Walters and McClean, all playing well at their clubs, have to sit on the bench.

Everything Trap does is just wrong and has little or no logic to it; playing Keane as a lone striker, introducing Cox on the wing while two specialist wingers sat idly in the dugout. And don't get me started on Paul Green - because any manager who would dare to play him at all, nevermind against Spain, is not fit to manage a team.

Xavi6

briany wrote: »

Well, you naive 2008 people, your optimism was misplaced.

SuperInfinity

grenache wrote: »

i agree luck plays a part in all successes. But the amount of luck Trap got was inordinate and everyone seems to be in agreement there. He needed it because the team's performances alone were not enough to get us to Poland.

In fairness, it was only inordinate in this campaign. If anything it was inordinately bad in the last campaign.

I don't know about Trap, but I can say that people can grow very old very fast after they hit their 70s. Energy goes, memory starts to fade a bit, it's very very sad. Hate to be ageist, but maybe it's time Trap let it go. I do think it's ridiculous however to suggest that these changes and ideas are just random nonsense, please stop with the hyperbole. Trap has his own way and his motives and ideas, maybe he got it wrong this time. It's easy to say "these players are worth more in the premier league oh golly gosh obviously they should have been playing", the reality has many more shades of gray.

SuperInfinity

Xavi6 wrote: »

Under another manager we'd be out with a whimper before we even made the play-offs. We might have some hard luck story, if we were lucky. Or we would get beaten by Estonia.

bizmark

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Under another manager we'd be out with a whimper before we even made the play-offs. We might have some hard luck story, if we were lucky. Or we would get beaten by Estonia.

How in gods name do you possible know that ? really slly argument completely ignoreing the failings of the present and the past games we have all sat through

SuperInfinity

bizmark wrote: »

How in gods name do you possible know that ? really slly argument completely ignoreing the failings of the present and the past games we have all sat through

How in gods name do I possibly know it? I don't know it as a fact, but it's sure as **** likely based on all the evidence we've had before. Every piece of evidence points to the fact that we're a **** team that can almost never qualify.

What makes you think that we should have a chance of qualifying every 2 years? We're a very middle of the road team. Do you honestly believe for one second it would all be different under another manager?

How is it that we somehow amazingly get the worst managers year after year, no matter what their pedigree. No matter where they've managed before? How is it???? That's not it, it's the players.

bizmark

SuperInfinity wrote: »

How in gods name do I possibly know it? I don't know it as a fact, but it's sure as **** likely based on all the evidence we've had before. Every piece of evidence points to the fact that we're a **** team that can almost never qualify.

What makes you think that we should have a chance of qualifying every 2 years? We're a very middle of the road team. Do you honestly believe for one second it would all be different under another manager?

How is it that we somehow amazingly get the worst managers year after year, no matter what their pedigree. No matter where they've managed before? How is it???? That's not it, it's the players.

I dont believe anyone sits around expecting ireland to beat the likes of spain however constantly playing the same damn team time and time and time again useing the same tactics that have abjectly failed is not "good management" its complete insanity.

Whats more ireland for the last 4 years have been set up it seems to be scared of the ball from my count the euros team had 14 or 15 premier league players and it looked like not a single one of them knew how to pass the ball or how to maintain any sort of shape this isnt a euro's centric issue either its been happening for nearly all of traps game's the manager even spoke of the players being "scared" which is hardly supriseing we can all see how scared they are of the ball even when playing the likes of andora thats the managers responsibly to give them confidence and give them a system that works it plainly does not disregarding heroic defending and sheer luck

GavRedKing

If ye want to discuss Trap do so in the Trap Watch thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056667841&page=41

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