Bond 22 - Quantum of Solace

keefg

Babybing wrote: »

I hope thats not it?


Horrible. Sounds like two drunk people doing bad karaoke of a Dianna Ross song.


When I heard Jack White and Alicia Keys I feared...all those fears have been confirmed if that is the song. Its just all over the place.

That YT clip has been removed but you can hear it here .... Juct click on the little pic of Jack & Alicia.....But be warned....it is a terrible as everyone make out.

http://www.007.com/#/video

senordingdong

Jesus christ!

I really liked Chris Cornells song....not as a song, but it went well wit hthe whole opening of Casino Royale.
This movie really isn't shaping up to be much.

Otis Driftwood

On the basis of the theme song?

Saw the trailer Sunday night in Dundrum and I gotta say Im pretty frickin pumped to see it.

senordingdong

Becasue of the song, the premise and the trailers.

grames_bond

the first time i heard that song was at the helix, rte orchestra performed it with one singer and it sounded brilliant (jack and alicas voices dont match imo, and there was no stupid guitar "solo")

Slutmonkey57b

Instrumentally, I like the song a lot. It's let down by some truly awful lyrics, but I like the song.

And the last bond film was preceded by years of naysaying and Craig proved everyone dead wrong, including me, so I am confident this one will be up to par as well.

Soby

probley better off with a bit of Scounting for Girls- "I wish i James Bond"

senordingdong

They should just leave the theme song up to the x factor form now on.

FionnMatthew

Someone please tell me what the f*ck is wrong with this song.

I went to YT looking for it prepared to hear something really really awful. It sounds grand. I'd listen to that. I'm not easily impressed musically either. It certainly isn't mediocre, or bland - I'm sort of wondering what arbitrary criterion everyone here is judging the song by that it is so universally adjudged "really really terrible."

There's some pretty neat tweed-bass noodling - I really like that bass effect - some really creative prog drum patterns and rudiments - a nice, minimalist creative guitar solo with typical White Stripes tones - a good solid nod at the traditional Bond theme atmosphere, with some appreciable new directions - and a pretty interesting rhythmic working of the lyrics. What's wrong with it?

ghouldaddy07

Thought it was awful aswell you keep expecting it to break into somthing better but all you here is the awful pairing of those two.

Who in the name of god thought them up for a pairing?

grames_bond

ghouldaddy07 wrote: »

Thought it was awful aswell you keep expecting it to break into somthing better but all you here is the awful pairing of those two.

Who in the name of god thought them up for a pairing?

they were the contingency plan when amy winehouse collapsed!

Call Me Jimmy

I thought it was decent enough. I definitely don't understand the harsh criticism of it.

MisterAnarchy

The running time of the film is only 106 minutes ,very short.

irish_bob

FionnMatthew wrote: »

Someone please tell me what the f*ck is wrong with this song.

I went to YT looking for it prepared to hear something really really awful. It sounds grand. I'd listen to that. I'm not easily impressed musically either. It certainly isn't mediocre, or bland - I'm sort of wondering what arbitrary criterion everyone here is judging the song by that it is so universally adjudged "really really terrible."

There's some pretty neat tweed-bass noodling - I really like that bass effect - some really creative prog drum patterns and rudiments - a nice, minimalist creative guitar solo with typical White Stripes tones - a good solid nod at the traditional Bond theme atmosphere, with some appreciable new directions - and a pretty interesting rhythmic working of the lyrics. What's wrong with it?

for a bond theme , its a classic as far as im concerned , as a song in itself , i still love it

i loved chris cornells bond theme but this is way more bondy and better

Vokes

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The running time of the film is only 106 minutes ,very short.

Not at all. Perfect length for an out an out action flick I reckon.

Song is pretty good too. No doubt it will be even better playing over naked lady credits!

Starting to look forward to this.

grames_bond

irish_bob wrote: »

for a bond theme , its a classic as far as im concerned , as a song in itself , i still love it

i loved chris cornells bond theme but this is way more bondy and better

i agree with the first bit! kick as bond song and has totally grown on me by this stage!

but chris cornells song imo is just amazing as a bond theme and a rock song (there is technically 2 different versions) and its just plain class, ive seen him sing it live too and its unreal! so to sum up:

you know my name > another way to die

fitz

FionnMatthew wrote: »

Someone please tell me what the f*ck is wrong with this song.

I went to YT looking for it prepared to hear something really really awful. It sounds grand. I'd listen to that. I'm not easily impressed musically either. It certainly isn't mediocre, or bland - I'm sort of wondering what arbitrary criterion everyone here is judging the song by that it is so universally adjudged "really really terrible."

There's some pretty neat tweed-bass noodling - I really like that bass effect - some really creative prog drum patterns and rudiments - a nice, minimalist creative guitar solo with typical White Stripes tones - a good solid nod at the traditional Bond theme atmosphere, with some appreciable new directions - and a pretty interesting rhythmic working of the lyrics. What's wrong with it?

Here's what's wrong with it.

Timing: there are numerous occasions where the guitar riff goes out of time with the drums. It's sloppy throughout. The fact that the orchestra is perfectly in time only makes the rest sound sloppier.

Melody: It's like a collection of undeveloped half ideas. The vocal harmonies are terrible, particularly in the "chorus". Her melody line pivots around the one note but is dominant in the mix and just sounds like shouting due to it being so melodically flat, and at the upper end of her register.

Arrangement: There's no hook, the structure is loose, and it's totally unsuited to the orchestra in the background. All you get is these quick stabs, which don't help melodically and which seem, you guessed it, out of time in places.

Performance: Not good. There's a few times where there are noticeable vocal pitch issues, one of which is cringe inducing.

Production: The vocals sound like the were recorded in a toilet with a tin roof and mirrors on all the walls. It's woeful.

To me the whole thing just comes off like a sub-par White Stripes tune with an orchestra tacked on, with an R&B singer trying and failing to sing in a rock style. As a piece of songwriting, it's technically awful.

Driver 8

I'd imagine it would've been better to have either Jack White or Alicia Keys do a song by themselves (or The White Stripes)-it does just sound messy and underdeveloped.

ryoishin

I dont think Jack Whites voice suits a bond theme.

keefg

FionnMatthew wrote: »

Someone please tell me what the f*ck is wrong with this song.

I went to YT looking for it prepared to hear something really really awful. It sounds grand. I'd listen to that. I'm not easily impressed musically either. It certainly isn't mediocre, or bland - I'm sort of wondering what arbitrary criterion everyone here is judging the song by that it is so universally adjudged "really really terrible."

There's some pretty neat tweed-bass noodling - I really like that bass effect - some really creative prog drum patterns and rudiments - a nice, minimalist creative guitar solo with typical White Stripes tones - a good solid nod at the traditional Bond theme atmosphere, with some appreciable new directions - and a pretty interesting rhythmic working of the lyrics. What's wrong with it?

OK....Seeing as you took the time to describe this song in such detail, I thought I would go back and give it another couple of listens.

Nope....it's still a terrible song IMO.

It doesn't matter if you have all the perfect ingredients to start with.....it's what comes out at the end and this just doesn't work.

I will agree that the guitar/base bit at the intro sounds good but it's downhill after that and as soon as they start singing they really kill the song off.

ryoishin

Im with holding full judgement until i see the opening sequence.

irish_bob

keefg wrote: »

OK....Seeing as you took the time to describe this song in such detail, I thought I would go back and give it another couple of listens.

Nope....it's still a terrible song IMO.

It doesn't matter if you have all the perfect ingredients to start with.....it's what comes out at the end and this just doesn't work.

I will agree that the guitar/base bit at the intro sounds good but it's downhill after that and as soon as they start singing they really kill the song off.

i love it

grames_bond

Driver 8 wrote: »

I'd imagine it would've been better to have either Jack White or Alicia Keys do a song by themselves (or The White Stripes)-it does just sound messy and underdeveloped.

like i said before i saw the rte orchestra play it recently with one female vocalist, and it was superb, no messy guitar (which i think wont be in the opening sequence, like the guitar wasnt heavy in "you kno my name") and the song suits a single vocalist!

keefg

irish_bob wrote: »

i love it

Fair comment Bob

I might just bring my Ipod along and listen to Live and Let Die over the opening titles........now that's what you call a Bond theme

Driver 8

I never understood what people's problem with You Know My Name was, sounded fine to me

irish_bob

keefg wrote: »

Fair comment Bob

I might just bring my Ipod along and listen to Live and Let Die over the opening titles........now that's what you call a Bond theme

live and let die , didnt like the film , didnt care for the song either

apart from THUNDERBALL, i would say my favourite bond theme was from OHMSS

irish_bob

keefg wrote: »

Fair comment Bob

I might just bring my Ipod along and listen to Live and Let Die over the opening titles........now that's what you call a Bond theme

live and let die , didnt like the film , didnt care for the song either

apart from GOLDFINGER , i would say my favourite bond theme was from OHMSS

Dr. Loon

FionnMatthew wrote: »

Someone please tell me what the f*ck is wrong with this song.

I went to YT looking for it prepared to hear something really really awful. It sounds grand. I'd listen to that. I'm not easily impressed musically either. It certainly isn't mediocre, or bland - I'm sort of wondering what arbitrary criterion everyone here is judging the song by that it is so universally adjudged "really really terrible."

There's some pretty neat tweed-bass noodling - I really like that bass effect - some really creative prog drum patterns and rudiments - a nice, minimalist creative guitar solo with typical White Stripes tones - a good solid nod at the traditional Bond theme atmosphere, with some appreciable new directions - and a pretty interesting rhythmic working of the lyrics. What's wrong with it?

i heard the tune for the first time properly today, and i agree with everything you say. i don't know what tweed-bass noodling means - and i'm a musician, and i don't know what you mean by rudiments (i do but not in the context of this song, that's not really rudimentary drumming) - and i'm a drummer, but i think it's a grand bond song.

apologies for my lack of caps but my keyboard seems to refuse to do them. i think i'm going to kill it.

ryoishin

"you expect me to type"

No Mr. Keybord I expect you to die!

grames_bond

Driver 8 wrote: »

I never understood what people's problem with You Know My Name was, sounded fine to me

people had a problem with that song?! :eek: i thaught it was brilliant!

irish_bob

grames_bond wrote: »

people had a problem with that song?! :eek: i thaught it was brilliant!

that song was kick ass, movie that accompanied it rocked too

FionnMatthew

Dr. Loon wrote: »

i don't know what tweed-bass noodling means
- and i'm a musician,

Well, I hope you know what noodling is! As in, just a figurative way of talking about that sort of bass riff.

But by tweed-bass, I meant the sound you get if you put a bass guitar through a '55 Tweed Super amp.

Which may not be what he actually used, I didn't look. But the effect is similar. And it's not an entirely obscure thing to talk about. I didn't make it up.

and i don't know what you mean by rudiments (i do but not in the context of this song, that's not really rudimentary drumming) - and i'm a drummer,

Well, I was wrong there. Not being a drummer. I suppose I meant "fills," or some such. I know what it is that I can hear, anyway. I just don't know the right name for it.

The Black Oil

Mark Kermode wasn't a fan...

MooseJam

Daniel Craig is too buff , James Bond spending hours in the gym , not likely !

Mitch Connor

MooseJam wrote: »

Daniel Craig is too buff , James Bond spending hours in the gym , not likely !

Sex is great exercise.

Also, the daniel Craig Bond is supposed to be a more realistic person, and as a top agent and secret service guy, he should be damed fit.

Driver 8

Getting slightly worried by the lukewarm reviews, may be better to go in with lowered expectations

zAbbo

Getting varied reviews both from the critics and general public.

I think this is one I will skip and wait for DVD/TV

ryoishin

Ive been looking forward to this ever since I seen the poster months ago.

If its muck ill throw a wobly.

zAbbo

ryoishin wrote: »

Ive been looking forward to this ever since I seen the poster months ago.

If its muck ill throw a wobly.

Prepare for wobblyness

NaiveMelodies

prepare to be extremely dissapointed, jsut got back from irish premiere.

Awful, absolutely awful.

MagicMarker

I fail to see why people get excited over James Bond, they've made the same movie 20+ times at this stage.

The last one was nothing special either.

KombuchaMshroom

only1stevo wrote: »

prepare to be extremely dissapointed, jsut got back from irish premiere.

Awful, absolutely awful.

what a shame.
im going to see it tomorrow and was hoping for a good day but it seems the general opinion is that it aint that good at all. i guess casino royale is a hard act to follow and this was never really going to live up to expectations

NaiveMelodies

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

what a shame.
im going to see it tomorrow and was hoping for a good day but it seems the general opinion is that it aint that good at all. i guess casino royale is a hard act to follow and this was never really going to live up to expectations

Ill let you judge for yourself, but the whole problem with this movie is it just doesnt follow the format of other bond movies. I love the impossibility of the bond movies and believe me theres lots in this b.ut for me its the storyline, from beginning to end, that dissapoints.
I hope they fasttrack the next one and forget about anymore sequels and im happy camper.
Craig is excellent as bond, no problems with the other actors.

6 out of 10 for me.

NaiveMelodies

MagicMarker wrote: »

I fail to see why people get excited over James Bond, they've made the same movie 20+ times at this stage.

The last one was nothing special either.

To be honest i love the bond films but as ive said above, the whole sequel idea and the storyline make it a poor watch.

MisterAnarchy

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

: i guess casino royale is a hard act to follow and this was never really going to live up to expectations

I didnt think much of Casino Royale at all.
I could see this new film being a failure a long way off.
They have literally removed all the touches that made the Bond films a success and what have they left.
A generic action film ,a crummy theme song,no charm,a threadbare plot and an unsuitable Bond.
The bad guys in the last 2 films have been woeful,they wouldnt beat their way out of a paper bag.

GrumPy

Seen it this morning. Disappointing. You could tell straight away it was a different director. Plot was hard to follow and consistency between scenes was poor. Also, lots of WTF moments when what happened onscreen was unexplained, or just plain stupid.

MisterAnarchy

GrumPy wrote: »

Plot was hard to follow and consistency between scenes was poor.

That would explain the 106 min running time.Seems alot of the film was edited/cut to get the rating down.

seraphimvc

only1stevo wrote: »

Ill let you judge for yourself, but the whole problem with this movie is it just doesnt follow the format of other bond movies. I love the impossibility of the bond movies and believe me theres lots in this b.ut for me its the storyline, from beginning to end, that dissapoints.
I hope they fasttrack the next one and forget about anymore sequels and im happy camper.
Craig is excellent as bond, no problems with the other actors.

6 out of 10 for me.

hmmm,if that is real ,it'd be another great film like casino royale:something new,something different,tho i am not sure about this new director...the last Pierson bond movie i think i fall asleep...

still looking forward for it!

Driver 8

Oh dear...not awful by any means, but has to be considered a dissapointment after the high quality of Casino Royale.

I only saw it a few hours ago, and yet I'd be hard pressed to tell you the plot in any great detail. Craig was fine, if given far less opportunity to shine than last time out, and the whole thing felt like an epilogue to Casino Royale rather than a new film in its own right.

The action sequences are fine (if very Bourne like) and the villain is decent enough, if nothing special, but the whole thing, while watchable, feels rushed, under-realised and unsatisfying. Hopefully lessons will be learned for the next film, or the risk may be run of diminishing returns, as happened to Brosnan.

Oh, and much as I love Jack White, the song is still pretty bad.

I think my biggest criticism is that it felt like around half or 2/3rds of a film in terms of the plot. It felt as if the ending was thrown together in the last fifteen minutes or so... well, 'ending' I suppose.