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no recovery period, he said we can ttc right away.
You must remember some people have endo without any symptoms at all and they don't know they have it til they try to ttc without any success. Also, the strength of symptoms doesn't necessarily correlate with the extent of the endo, i.e. you can have very mid symptoms and extreme endo and vice versa, seems everyone is different with how their body reacts to it. You sound like you could have a touch of it.
In the back of my mind I am still a bit worried that the lap surgery won't solve the issues, after all endo comes back. So the inflammation will return and the body's auto immune response will be to attack it and that will cause the inflammation and scarring to begin again. It actually reminds me a lot of my dad's cancer. His body (immune system) was attacking his liver as it recognised the cancer as an invader, the liver got severely scarred and couldn't function any more, and lack of liver function equals death.
Similarly, with endo, your immune systom knows the tissue shouldn't be there so it attacks it, thus causing the inflammation (that releases toxins) and then the scarring. Amazing, huh?
I should probably stop reading about it now
Oh by the way, I'm confused about something. I was due my period a day or 2 before the lap. It didn't arrive althouhg I knew it was just around the corner as I was soptting and cramping. On the day of the lap after the procedure there was a lot of blood when I went to the loo, this is normal. However I don't know if it was my period or if it was as a result of the lap. Given that he did a HSG (which essentially flushes out the uterus) does that mean my period is done or have I yet to get it? I am spotting since.
I need to know because I've to start the Clomid again, if there was no Clomid it really wouldn't matter...
I suppose I could take my temp in the morning. If it is back down to normal pre-ovulation range then I suppose I can take it that a new cycle has started0 -
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Caroline I am sorry you are feeling so down, I hope you enjoy your date night on Saturday. I'm sure it's a hard decision for you to make to try again, it's such a personal thing, I just wish you peace with whatever decision you make
Cap, I hope the time to your appointment flies in, either that or you get some good news inbetween
DFT, glad you are recovering, I can only imagine how painful the lap was, here's hoping it will all have been worth while
Neyite, I hope there is some good news on the horizon for you also!
I have decided to stop taking Agnus Castus.
(Here comes the tmi
) I started having brown discharge two days after taking it which turned to heavy spotting 5 days later, it's almost 2 weeks since I started taking AC and I have been having light - heavy spotting (about a teaspoon when I go to the loo) 9 out of those 14 days. I originally thought I had just gotten AF early but this bleeding is more liquid than normal menstrual blood and just doesn't look right to me!
It's frightened me enough to want to stop taking AC and just put up with my late ovualtion and irregular cycles, and hope we get lucky with what nature has given me
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DetectivFoxtrot wrote: »no recovery period, he said we can ttc right away.
You must remember some people have endo without any symptoms at all and they don't know they have it til they try to ttc without any success. Also, the strength of symptoms doesn't necessarily correlate with the extent of the endo, i.e. you can have very mid symptoms and extreme endo and vice versa, seems everyone is different with how their body reacts to it. You sound like you could have a touch of it.
In the back of my mind I am still a bit worried that the lap surgery won't solve the issues, after all endo comes back. So the inflammation will return and the body's auto immune response will be to attack it and that will cause the inflammation and scarring to begin again. It actually reminds me a lot of my dad's cancer. His body (immune system) was attacking his liver as it recognised the cancer as an invader, the liver got severely scarred and couldn't function any more, and lack of liver function equals death.
Similarly, with endo, your immune systom knows the tissue shouldn't be there so it attacks it, thus causing the inflammation (that releases toxins) and then the scarring. Amazing, huh?
I should probably stop reading about it now
Oh by the way, I'm confused about something. I was due my period a day or 2 before the lap. It didn't arrive althouhg I knew it was just around the corner as I was soptting and cramping. On the day of the lap after the procedure there was a lot of blood when I went to the loo, this is normal. However I don't know if it was my period or if it was as a result of the lap. Given that he did a HSG (which essentially flushes out the uterus) does that mean my period is done or have I yet to get it? I am spotting since. I need to know because I've to start the Clomid again, if there was no Clomid it really wouldn't matter...
I suppose I could take my temp in the morning. If it is back down to normal pre-ovulation range then I suppose I can take it that a new cycle has started
You need to stop reading:p. No seriously, I can understand you comparing your endo's battle with your dads cancer battle, but when you think about it, our immune system attacks anything that should not be there, however big or small. (currently on the sofa with a cold so my immune system is giving wellie) A cousin had it done and got pregnant mere weeks after.
I dont know if you would have to have it done on a periodic basis, probably depends on the severity of the endo.
They time the Lap for pre-period dont they? Could you ring and ask a nurse if you are still going to be due/if the blood you saw was it/ or if you are due.Neyite, I hope there is some good news on the horizon for you also!
I have decided to stop taking Agnus Castus.
(Here comes the tmi) I started having brown discharge two days after taking it which turned to heavy spotting 5 days later, it's almost 2 weeks since I started taking AC and I have been having light - heavy spotting (about a teaspoon when I go to the loo) 9 out of those 14 days. I originally thought I had just gotten AF early but this bleeding is more liquid than normal menstrual blood and just doesn't look right to me!
It's frightened me enough to want to stop taking AC and just put up with my late ovualtion and irregular cycles, and we get lucky with what nature has given me
Thanks Ms2011. I never took Agnus Castus because my cycles are regular enough and it would also interact with my current meds so not a good idea. We underestimate the strength of herbal supplements. Are you seeing a doctor about your irregular cycles?0 -
DetectivFoxtrot wrote: »MS2011 :eek: - you were right to knock it on the head. Have you considered clomid to regulate your ovulation? Sorry if I've asked this before
TBH (and I'm a little embarassed at my impatience considering how long some of you nice ladies have been trying
) I've only really been TTC since May and considering I screwed up June's cycle with the Angus Castus we've only really had one attempt, however due to my irregular cycles, which I've had since I was a teenager it's always been at the back of my mind that I might have problems trying to have children so when it didn't happen first time I felt like my worries had been vindicated and jumped straight into taking AC :rolleyes:
Considering I'm only turning 31 next month the only pills I'll be taking for next while will be 'chill pills':cool: I have a bad habit of thinking things to death, I need to learn to relax!!!
Thanks Ms2011. I never took Agnus Castus because my cycles are regular enough and it would also interact with my current meds so not a good idea. We underestimate the strength of herbal supplements. Are you seeing a doctor about your irregular cycles?
I'm not see a doctor at the moment. I didn't have a period from the end Nov of last year until the start of Feb this year. I went to the doctor then and she took blood which came back ok but I think she was more looking for general indicators of a problem (liver, thyroid etc.) rather than specific problems as it was the first time I'd gone so long without a period.
I think I'll keep going with my OPK's and SMEP until Christmas and then revaluate after that.:)0 -
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TBH (and I'm a little embarassed at my impatience considering how long some of you nice ladies have been trying) I've only really been TTC since May and considering I screwed up June's cycle with the Angus Castus we've only really had one attempt, however due to my irregular cycles, which I've had since I was a teenager it's always been at the back of my mind that I might have problems trying to have children so when it didn't happen first time I felt like my worries had been vindicated and jumped straight into taking AC :rolleyes:
Considering I'm only turning 31 next month the only pills I'll be taking for next while will be 'chill pills':cool: I have a bad habit of thinking things to death, I need to learn to relax!!!
I'm not see a doctor at the moment. I didn't have a period from the end Nov of last year until the start of Feb this year. I went to the doctor then and she took blood which came back ok but I think she was more looking for general indicators of a problem (liver, thyroid etc.) rather than specific problems as it was the first time I'd gone so long without a period.
I think I'll keep going with my OPK's and SMEP until Christmas and the revaluate after that.:)
Ok, guess you were jumping the gun a tad after one month ttc - but hey, we are all guilty of that in the beginning, but certainly before worrying about infertility, the doctor should be able to help you in at least prescribing something that would regulate your cycle a bit - what about provera? being irregular is not necessarily a sign of infertility - I was as regular as clockwork and still ovulating yet cant get pregnant. I think your way of continuing until christmas is a good one.0 -
Ok, guess you were jumping the gun a tad after one month ttc - but hey, we are all guilty of that in the beginning, but certainly before worrying about infertility, the doctor should be able to help you in at least prescribing something that would regulate your cycle a bit - what about provera? being irregular is not necessarily a sign of infertility - I was as regular as clockwork and still ovulating yet cant get pregnant. I think your way of continuing until christmas is a good one.
Thanks, I know now I was jumping the gun, if it's done nothing else it has taught me to be a bit more relaxed about this whole TTC journey.
I am interested in your suggestion of provera to regulate things a bit for me though, if I am still all over the place after Christmas I will definately look into that with my doctor.
Thanks again, sometimes seeing things in black and white can help put things into perspective a little better!!! 0 -
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TBH (and I'm a little embarassed at my impatience considering how long some of you nice ladies have been trying) I've only really been TTC since May and considering I screwed up June's cycle with the Angus Castus we've only really had one attempt, however due to my irregular cycles, which I've had since I was a teenager it's always been at the back of my mind that I might have problems trying to have children so when it didn't happen first time I felt like my worries had been vindicated and jumped straight into taking AC :rolleyes:
Considering I'm only turning 31 next month the only pills I'll be taking for next while will be 'chill pills':cool: I have a bad habit of thinking things to death, I need to learn to relax!!!
Well you certainly should never feel embarrassed, not around these parts anyway.:) There's nothing wrong with wanting to be pg immediately. I mean I waited til I was 30 and then I just expected it to happen, and why shouldn't it have? It happens so easily for the majority of people.
The delays can be very frustrating, even if you're only at it a couple of months. I spent my twenties trying NOT to get pregnant. Himself commented the other day after the surgery, when the doc told us it was a miracle we we ever got pregnant at all, "well that was a lot of wasted money on condoms over the years!", he was joking of course, but so true at the same time.:p (he didn't say that in front of the doc btw:D )
I think you made the right decision to avoid trying alternative therapies to aid ttc for now, and perhaps revisit it if you have been trying unsuccessfully for 6 cycles or more. What I would recommend you do take daily is folic acid (you're probably doing that already) and fish oil (omega whats-its). Fish oil is superb for brain development, and if you get pg that, and the heart, are the first of the baba's organs to develop, so you'd want that in your system prior to being pg, similar to the folic acid.
I think your cycle will get back to normal quite quickly as you weren't on the AC that long. I know herbs can be potent but don't worry about it, chalk it up to experience. 0 -
Iguana, you probably missed the surge. You said on Weds the test was getting darker, maybe your surged a few hours later and by the time you tested again on Thurs it was back to negative? I've heard of many ladies missing the surge.
Yeh, probably not the best idea to change kit mid-cycle, I did that myself once and got really confused.
I know this sounds obvious but perhaps just keep having sex for the next few days, see where the land lies then, keep testing in the meantime.
Do you have any O signs? - fertile mucus, feeling warmer than usual, stitch pain, aroused?
you mentioned you did two tests today, at the same time? Try avoid doing that - you'll go mad comparing the two. Test twice a day if possible, I would say at 2 pm and again at 9pm. Good luck
p.s. your body may have been gearing up to ovulate on Weds and for some reason it didn't happen. If this is the case your body will try again0 -
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DetectivFoxtrot wrote: »Well you certainly should never feel embarrassed, not around these parts anyway.:) There's nothing wrong with wanting to be pg immediately. I mean I waited til I was 30 and then I just expected it to happen, and why shouldn't it have? It happens so easily for the majority of people.
The delays can be very frustrating, even if you're only at it a couple of months. I spent my twenties trying NOT to get pregnant. Himself commented the other day after the surgery, when the doc told us it was a miracle we we ever got pregnant at all, "well that was a lot of wasted money on condoms over the years!", he was joking of course, but so true at the same time.:p (he didn't say that in front of the doc btw:D )
I think you made the right decision to avoid trying alternative therapies to aid ttc for now, and perhaps revisit it if you have been trying unsuccessfully for 6 cycles or more. What I would recommend you do take daily is folic acid (you're probably doing that already) and fish oil (omega whats-its). Fish oil is superb for brain development, and if you get pg that, and the heart, are the first of the baba's organs to develop, so you'd want that in your system prior to being pg, similar to the folic acid.
I think your cycle will get back to normal quite quickly as you weren't on the AC that long. I know herbs can be potent but don't worry about it, chalk it up to experience.
Thank you so much for your kind and helpul words, they really do mean alot
I've been taking folic acid and a multivitamin with omgea 3 in it and I've also been taking Evening Primrose up until ovulation to help with some fertile CM.
Feeling a bit sick and shakey today which I'm putting down to coming off the AC cold turkey. Those herbs are more powerful than I think alot of us give them create for, they work great for some people but boy when you have a reaction you really have a reaction!!!! I know I won't be taking anything like that again unless under expert advice. Lesson well and truly learnt:D 0 -
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Caroline your strength is so admirable. I so hope that you are successful this time. I think you're right to try again, rather than look back in years to come & wonder 'what if'.
Ms2011 I'm shocked at how strong your reaction was to the AC :eek: I definitely wouldn't have thought a herbal remedy would be that strong! Hope you're ok now after it.
Don't chastise yourself at all for being impatient with ttc, we've all had that at least once!
It is frustrating when you spend your pre ttc years trying so hard not to get pregnant, only to find out it can be more difficult or time consuming than previously though!
Iguana, I spent last month like that not being able to pin point ovulation. It is so very frustrating Like you, I had the feinter lines 2 days in a row, never reaching the same dark colour as the control line.
I was delighted to get a smiley face on the clearblue digital predictor this month, it can be worrying wondering if ovulation happened or not.
Detectiv that is a pricey bill for one mornings treatment :O Though so worth it if it helps you get your positive result. Here's hoping!
Will you be able to try this month or do you have to take it easy after the op? My mum had the pains you described after her hysterectomy. She could pin point where in here body the gas pockets were, thankfully it eased off after a day or two.
I hope you're well on the mend now!
Hope ye are all well and enjoying the weekend so far. I'm nursing the start of a cold at the moment & feeling v sorry for myself. Think a wee bottle of west coast cooler will be called for tomorrow night (for medicinal purposes naturally)
Anyone heading off to any of the concerts? gutted I didn't go to Bon Jovi, I seen him a few years ago in Croke park & he was brill. Nothing like drooling over him to help pass the 2 week wait 0 -
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wolfpawnat wrote: »Sadly, another month, another fail. Amazing I can get pregnant unplanned the first time, but actually trying to have a baby is hard!
Sorry bit frustrated here!
Sorry to heard that Wolfpawnat, I can definately can relate to the frustration. Myself and another girl are the only 2 out of our (big) group of friends without kids, all of my other friends got pregnant so easily, too easily for some, 2 have barely the 9 months between their babies, but from some reason I always seem to have to fight so much harder for what some people seem to come by so easily, but I guess we can all feel that way sometimes
I'm just finishing AF now so onwards and upwards to try again for another cycle, lets hope it's a successful one!:)0 -
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