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    #182
    rrpc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭rrpc


    kowloon wrote: »
    Am I correct in the assumption that the calibre restriction covers ALL rifled firearms?
    Would a collection of percussion and flintlock rifled muskets now be classed as restricted weapons (.577 or more).
    Would "historical collecting" even be recognised as a valid reason to own them?

    Not to seem pedantic or anything, but a rifled musket is actually a rifle and not a musket which is a smoothbore.


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    #183
    kowloon
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    rrpc wrote: »
    Not to seem pedantic or anything, but a rifled musket is actually a rifle and not a musket which is a smoothbore.

    Hence my reference to rifle muskets which are licensed as rifles.
    Not muskets, which are licensed as shotguns and therefore not under threat (unless they have pistol grips ;)).


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    #184
    rrpc
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    kowloon wrote: »
    Hence my reference to rifle muskets which are licensed as rifles.
    Not muskets, which are licensed as shotguns and therefore not under threat (unless they have pistol grips ;)).

    Still being pedantic :D

    They were never referred to as muskets, even when they were first produced. The first rifle in general military use: the baker rifle (made famous by the Sharpe series of books) was referred to as a rifle as early as the late 18th century when they first made their appearance. The designation of rifle was referring to the configuration of the barrel which was rifled and not to the charge which propelled the bullet or ball. As a result, there were then distinctions between the method of propulsion from black powder flintlock, to percussion cap to cartridge, but all were referred to as rifles.

    Referring to them generally as black powder firearms would be more helpful because then you have a clear distinction between the types of charge and percussion.

    Realistically, all black powder firearms should be dealt with separately under the law because of the major differences between them and the more modern cartridge rifle.


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    #185
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,472 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Used since the adoption of the US Model 1855 Rifle Musket, a weapon that replaced infantry muskets as opposed to Halls, Bakers etc. that weren't used by the regular line infantry.
    Term also applied to muskets which were rifled later and other musket sized rifles like the M1861.
    The P53 was also referred to as a rifle musket.
    I was shown someones French 1892 Mousqueton d'Artillerie (from ww1) only the other day.
    The term was used all over, correctly and incorrectly
    (much like "assault rifle" :rolleyes:)

    And, yes, we do need frontstuffers and obsolete BP rifles to be given a separate category.


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