Special task force to review Garda training

eroo

Special task force to review Garda training
19/02/2008 - 17:10:56


Garda training methods are to be reviewed by a special task force made up of personnel from both the public and private sectors, it was announced today.

Spearheaded by Commissioner Fachtna Murphy, an AIB executive, UCD lecturer, and Chief Superintendent are among its eclectic ten-strong membership.

In announcing the group, Mr Murphy praised the work of the Garda Training College at Templemore but said such a review was timely given the changing nature of Irish society.

“We want to ensure that people entering this organisation are receiving high quality training in line with the best international standards and that, as they progress through their careers, they can avail of development and continuous learning opportunities.

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“The establishment of this group is timely in that it allows us to examine the educational developments introduced in recent years and gives us an opportunity to stand back and assess the new and emerging challenges which flow from a changing society,” he said.

Members of the group were drawn from both the public and private sectors and have been asked to examine all garda training and development for both officers and civilian personnel and to make recommendations for the future.

They will present a report on their findings to the Commissioner by the end of November.

“It is important that we are in the best possible position to work closely with communities, deal with their problems and respond to their needs.

“I want to ensure that our people have the skills and training to do this successfully,” he said.

http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mheysngbeymh/

Mutz

Hopefully a step forward in a very, very backward organisation.

TheNog

Appears to be a good pro-active assessment of our training system.

Hats off to you Facthna

eroo

TheNog wrote: »

Appears to be a good pro-active assessment of our training system.

Hats off to you Facthna

Commisioner Murphy seems like a good man..what do the rank and file think?

TheNog

Well people i have spoken to know that he was involved in starting new operations such as CAB etc and they are hoping for a more progressive commissioner than the last and the many before him. The Gardai need a proper leader, not a political yes man

paul666

the nogster i hope the top brass dont find out your identity on this thing.
if conroy heard you were callin him a yes man im sure he wouldnt find it too hard to track u down

Shield

It wouldn't be too easy to do that based on someone's personal opinion. No court would ever give 2 court orders (one for this, and one for his ISP) just for giving your opinion.

paul666 wrote: »

the nogster i hope the top brass dont find out your identity on this thing.
if conroy heard you were callin him a yes man im sure he wouldnt find it too hard to track u down

TheNog

paul666 wrote: »

the nogster i hope the top brass dont find out your identity on this thing.
if conroy heard you were callin him a yes man im sure he wouldnt find it too hard to track u down

Ok so "Yes" man is a bit severe but he was definitely a traditionalist like alot of other commissioners before him. Todays criminals sometimes cannot be caught using the old methods of investigation as they more technologically advanced. While we do have our own technology to fight criminal behaviour it is mostly assigned to the specialist units and not to the rank and file gardai but it is the rank and file gardai that will come into contact with the serious gougers before they became immersed in serious crime.

The tools I am talking about is secure radios, better cars, more manpower and ANPR.

lehanemore

TheNog wrote: »

more manpower

are Reserve Gardai a useful addition to manpower?

TheNog

lehanemore wrote: »

are Reserve Gardai a useful addition to manpower?

For some situations the reserves would be a help such as S.O., Beats, gaoler but i think the 4 hrs a week is not really helpful for the smaller stations.

Mutz

eroo wrote: »

Commisioner Murphy seems like a good man..what do the rank and file think?

Time will tell really. He comes from an operational background which would automatically command a certain amount of respect. Look what he did to John Gilligan.

The Commissioner doesn't really have an impact on the Organisation - its more the Deputy and Assistant Commissioners who make policy and it sent up for the Commish to sign off on.

In my opinion its people like McDowell where my dissapointment is targeted. The Gardai were his personal whipping boys during his term. *Runs and Hides under a rock hoping he never reads this!*

Lenihen seems to have more between his legs but is more camera shy.

I'm bloody paranoid to say anything more now because of what that previous psoter said about tracking me down lol

paul666

Mutz wrote: »

Time will tell really. He comes from an operational background which would automatically command a certain amount of respect. Look what he did to John Gilligan.

The Commissioner doesn't really have an impact on the Organisation - its more the Deputy and Assistant Commissioners who make policy and it sent up for the Commish to sign off on.

In my opinion its people like McDowell where my dissapointment is targeted. The Gardai were his personal whipping boys during his term. *Runs and Hides under a rock hoping he never reads this!*

Lenihen seems to have more between his legs but is more camera shy.

I'm bloody paranoid to say anything more now because of what that previous psoter said about tracking me down lol

lol sorry about that
please guys take my post with a pinch of salt

Eru

I think this is a good move. The training isnt really old but the question needs to be is the time being allocated properly?

For example, if you need a class in ethics to tell you that beating prisoners is wrong then you need a class in life and common sense!

Could some time be taken from certain courses and put into others or possible new training? More role playing for example.

Im not impressed with the new man to start with, he is already reducing the regional support units abilities before they even get started but if he was willing to give a civilian a gun then he cant object to giving us what we need.

TheNog

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

More role playing for example.

We did some role playing in the college when they brought it in first. There was only 5 of us used in my class and they used actors to do it. There were real life situations with a surprise throw in for good measure. It was brilliantly done and worth the effort.

punchestown

TheNog wrote: »

We did some role playing in the college when they brought it in first. There was only 5 of us used in my class and they used actors to do it. There were real life situations with a surprise throw in for good measure. It was brilliantly done and worth the effort.

Was role plays not part of MAOS exam, TN? When I was down there, MAOS exam was made up of 2 role plays and written exam. The role plays resulted in a number of fails rectified in the repeats. <snipped>

TheNog

punchestown wrote: »

Was role plays not part of MAOS exam, TN? When I was down there, MAOS exam was made up of 2 role plays and written exam. The role plays resulted in a number of fails rectified in the repeats. <snipped>

The role plays in phase 1 amongest ourselves were not great but they trialled a real life situation using actors. <snipped>

source

my maos exam was the same as punchestowns, 2 role plays with actors, and a written, if you failed the role plays you could repeat, if you failed the repeat you got reverted.

Shield

Guys PLEASE - no describing actual role plays that might still be in use today.

I know you all want to be as helpful as you can, but please don't post anything that could leave us open.

Having said that, I appreciate your good intentions.

Thanks.

Eru

TheNog wrote: »

We did some role playing in the college when they brought it in first. There was only 5 of us used in my class and they used actors to do it. There were real life situations with a surprise throw in for good measure. It was brilliantly done and worth the effort.

Yeah we did some for social and psych along with domestics but it wasnt great. Bringing in actors was a good move, didnt happen in my day. Did you do anything with cars? Stops, etc. Was an area sadly ignored during my classes but thankfully phase 2 solved the problem.

When I was passing out they used phase 3's for armed situation role playing. I dont want to give details as per PSNI's comments but it was very realistic.

Will be interesting to see where they go and what changes are made.

TheNog

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Yeah we did some for social and psych along with domestics but it wasnt great. Bringing in actors was a good move, didnt happen in my day. Did you do anything with cars? Stops, etc. Was an area sadly ignored during my classes but thankfully phase 2 solved the problem.

When I was passing out they used phase 3's for armed situation role playing. I dont want to give details as per PSNI's comments but it was very realistic.

Will be interesting to see where they go and what changes are made.

The role plays we did would have pretty much covered everything we could expect from routine work to panicked situations. It was a real eye opener not only to have people screaming at you but how you react and interact with that person. If we could have had a few practise runs we would have honed our interpersonal skills along with analysing skill for that situation.

We did it in phase 1 so we were not expected to have the law off by heart but the phase 3's were expected to quote law

Eru

TheNog wrote: »

The role plays we did would have pretty much covered everything we could expect from routine work to panicked situations. It was a real eye opener not only to have people screaming at you but how you react and interact with that person. If we could have had a few practise runs we would have honed our interpersonal skills along with analysing skill for that situation.

We did it in phase 1 so we were not expected to have the law off by heart but the phase 3's were expected to quote law

Well it sounds like one of my complaints has been resolved, nice to see the system changing on its own and not being too rigid.

m4j

Hi,

Very interested to hear what members think of the current welfare service within the force. Lots of work into looking for change has been done on behalf of members by a non member in a volutary capacity but change as in every government organisation is slow. Would welcome those active members insights and comments, whether welfare is important or not ones mental health is vital to completing any job let alone one that is rated the most stress fill jobs in the Country.

Wishing you all well

Eru

m4j wrote: »

Hi,

Very interested to hear what members think of the current welfare service within the force. Lots of work into looking for change has been done on behalf of members by a non member in a volutary capacity but change as in every government organisation is slow. Would welcome those active members insights and comments, whether welfare is important or not ones mental health is vital to completing any job let alone one that is rated the most stress fill jobs in the Country.

Wishing you all well

I think that topic deserves a thread of its own and I would like to hear your thoughts in more detail. In particular, the mental side. At present peer support etc is a death sentence to a career. I know a guy that took 1 day off sick following a traumatic incident, he put down stress even though really he was just shaken and it is still a stick thats used to beat him.

ScubaDave

In relation to the training, i was talking to a Super several months ago who was just after returning from a meeting in Templemore. He said that they are currently examining the feasibility of reinstating the 6 month training period. i.e. 6 months and off you go with a badge! Personnally i dont agree with it having found my phase 2 training very beneficial!

I do believe that phase 2 needs to be looked at for several reasons. One of the gripes that i had was that i could not sign a form after spending 5 months full time in training and that a Garda Reserve was entitled to sign the form instead! Please note, i am not reserve bashing at all, but i feel if they are entitled to sign forms, that we should be too! I believe that the time on the units during that phase should be longer and the placements shorter!

Finally, if the 6 months is brought in..... where will that leave the student Gardai in relation to getting a 3rd level qualification out of it?

Anyway, thats my 2 cents!