Time-changey music

Jay P

Can somebody please reccomend some music that has a lot of time changes in it? Im looking for something differrent to listen to and was hoping someone would know. Cheers.

mike65

You mean like fusion jazz or twiddly prog-rock?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO4sloGk3P0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pqrGZlMISI

Mike.

iamnothim

I always find people who force obscure time signatures into music to be really pretenious. Anyone can play in 13/21 time just for the sake of it. It takes real skill to make it transparent.

Check out wallis bird, a relatively unknown singersongwriter. In her song "Counting To Sleep" (check the myspace, myspace.com/wallisbird) the first line has a time sig of 5/4, has 6 syllables and the lyrics are "counting 1, 2, 3, 4" - genius.

Great song too. Swaps in and out of 5/4 and 6/8 a fair bit but you wouldn't know it unless you were trying to hear it, if ya get me

Ziltoid

I take it you're a Dream Theater fan judging by your user name and interest in complex time siggys.


Here's some scary shizzle. Give it time and you'll be hooked.

http://www.myspace.com/inkspastic
http://www.myspace.com/unofficialspiralarchitect
http://www.myspace.com/artmetalband

Give them all a proper listen as the songs change dramatically.

Rigsby

Steely Dan's music has some unusual time changes in it. Of course if you really want to go "back to the roots" regarding time/rthym you could always check out some African music e.g. Manu Katche, King Sunny Ade and Fela Kuti.
Check them out on "YouTube".

Jay P

Ziltoid wrote: »

I take it you're a Dream Theater fan judging by your user name and interest in complex time siggys.


Here's some scary shizzle. Give it time and you'll be hooked.

http://www.myspace.com/inkspastic
http://www.myspace.com/unofficialspiralarchitect
http://www.myspace.com/artmetalband

Give them all a proper listen as the songs change dramatically.

That spastic ink band is class, especially their drummer. And it's more of a coincidence with the name thing, and yeah I love DT. Art Metal were pretty class too, wasn't too into the other band though.

Rigsby wrote: »

Steely Dan's music has some unusual time changes in it. Of course if you really want to go "back to the roots" regarding time/rthym you could always check out some African music e.g. Manu Katche, King Sunny Ade and Fela Kuti.
Check them out on "YouTube".

Steely Dan is prettty class too. A great find

mike65 wrote: »

You mean like fusion jazz or twiddly prog-rock?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO4sloGk3P0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pqrGZlMISI

Mike.

I liked that jazz piece. I already listen to Yes a bit. Awesome band.

iamnothim wrote: »

I always find people who force obscure time signatures into music to be really pretenious. Anyone can play in 13/21 time just for the sake of it. It takes real skill to make it transparent.

Check out wallis bird, a relatively unknown singersongwriter. In her song "Counting To Sleep" (check the myspace, myspace.com/wallisbird) the first line has a time sig of 5/4, has 6 syllables and the lyrics are "counting 1, 2, 3, 4" - genius.

Great song too. Swaps in and out of 5/4 and 6/8 a fair bit but you wouldn't know it unless you were trying to hear it, if ya get me

Wasn't really feeling that though. Thanks anyway.

noby

I was watching a Pink Floyd documentary recently where they were talking about 'Money'. Isn't it 7/4 or something, but goes back to 4/4 for the solo for simplicity.

Although I imagine you're aware of this already.

mike65

yep

Mike.

Dennis the Stone

I second Fela Kuti

Karl Hungus

I'm a big fan of Hiromi Uehara, well worth checking out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6pgM-NVfWg

Also, if you're not afraid of some heavier music, then check out Meshuggah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-5AGRtfBrg

Here's a great video of Meshuggah guitarist Fredrik Thordendal's side project:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5YEqmIIdj8

Jay P

noby wrote: »

I was watching a Pink Floyd documentary recently where they were talking about 'Money'. Isn't it 7/4 or something, but goes back to 4/4 for the solo for simplicity.

Although I imagine you're aware of this already.

Yeah I knew this, I oly realised it last week when I was drumming along with it. Actually, this is what sparked my interest in changing time sigs.

noby

Another one that sticks out in my mind is Death to Tyrants. I have an album of theirs, all instrumental, plenty of time changing, if I recall.

Kaiser_Sma

i believe it's called 'math rock' when you use unusual or changing time signitures. Look for stuff with that genre title.

noby

That's it, 'Math Rock'. I knew it was described as something mathematical when I heard about them first.

Jay P

Kaiser_Sma wrote: »

i believe it's called 'math rock' when you use unusual or changing time signitures. Look for stuff with that genre title.

Thank you so much! I had looked for prog, but that was too "normal" for what I wanted. That's it exactly, thank you!!!!

ThousandLeaves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHrZ3_Ru040

Ruins are about as time-changey as I know. Can be a bit head-wrecking but I like it.

I'd also recommend some Don Caballero, not as agressively stop-start but generally quite intricate & the guitarist used a lot of loops which cause some odd shifts. (best to ignore the picture, which is bad & out of synch, and focus on the sound)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68L17EDVCng

Interestingly enough both bands technically still exist but with the drummers as the only surviving member.

Edit:
Might as well ad some decent-looking Don Cab while I'm at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqhfa5B-sk

Ziltoid

Yeah the spastik ink drummer is phenomonal. Here's some footage of him playing. The actual songs suck because they were quickly thrown together for the instructional DVD but his playing kicks so much anus!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpFrexDJ4A&feature=related
This is them playing along with some cartoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RztR4E12dGU
and this is them playing along to Bambi!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRF9NsC2D_U&feature=related

Spastik Ink are such a fricken' awesome band. The guitarist and drummers are brothers. Time changey music is in their blood! Ha!

Creamy Goodness

ThousandLeaves wrote: »

Might as well ad some decent-looking Don Cab while I'm at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqhfa5B-sk

never seen that video before, but just seeing that there reminds me how great the drum are in "...a Fake British Accent"

cornbb

A nice simple well-known example of this is "Golden Brown" by the Stranglers. The verses are in 3/4 but every four bars of the choruses/bridges (??) consist of 3 bars in 3/4 followed by 1 bar in 4/4 so the count goes like this:

1 2 3 | 1 2 3| 1 2 3 | 1 2 3 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIHBUGvAUMo

Tool do this quite a lot too.

galwayrush

Check out Permanent Waves by Rush, esp the tracks Jacob's Ladder, Freewill and natural Science.