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Makes me feel better, at least. I know some people would sooner kill em and skin em, but not me ^_^ so fluffy...
besides you cant honestly say you look at this and feel nothing unless youre a robot!
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@ tbh ... Dude, I dont understand what your saying. Probably my total stupidity, but as an experienced user with a strong opinion on this could you maybe answer the following ...
why do I get the feeling you're leading me somewhere? anyway, this is all obviously just my opinion.Should all "why was I banned" threads be in helpdesk?
It depends on whether the OP wants other input or not. Maybe the signal to noise ratio is a little low on feedback recently but there's still decent conversations going on. Maybe it could be more tightly modded to remove the obvious dross, but the point in it being unmodded is to show that posters have an input into the running of the site, however small, and all posters are equal in the value of their opinions on what direction boards should take. In here at least, you have more leeway than in other fora. The price you occasionally pay is that you get a few crappy posts. The alternative is something like....oh...say the poker forum
If so why do mods tell people to "take it to feedback" as the standard reply?
I've made this point myself, I think users should be directed to helpdesk. This is a cultural issue on boards.
threads in feedback are either discussions about the site, like this one; or appeals about bannage, like the poker thread. it seems to me that the vast majority of complaints about feedback are from people complaining about the treatment they got when appealing a ban. That could be solved by simply posting ban-related threads in helpdesk.Do you think any of the posts (in this thread or any of the many other threads on this) saying there is a problem with feedback have a point? If not, why are there so many posts on this ... are we all just trying to "fight da powha"?Do you think feedback is working well as it currently is, and if not what changes would you make?
I can see how it's frustrating for people who get torn apart, but, y'know, it's the internet. Make feedback a discussion forum for boards, put a mod or two in, and treat it like all the other fora. Get mods to say "take it to helpdesk"0 -
@ tbh ... not trying to lead you anywhere ... I was just thinking you had a lot of good ideas there
Good answers to all my questions ... respect! Cant argue with anything you say ... definitely some really excellent suggestions there. I think there might even be some common ground between us 0 -
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AlmightyCushion wrote: »I know you may think I'm a fanboy and trying to impress the boss for picking a hole in your argument but here it goes. Have you read that thread? It actually had quite a positive outcome. Some people said how they thought "Thanks" responses were just postcount++ type responses, others agreed with the op. There was talk about different ways thanks could be given out and in the end an admin (I think it was you DeV) said they would look into the thanks system that was suggested. I'd call that a pretty successful feedback thread.
Is the odd off-topic nonsense really that bad it doesn't de-rail the whole thread?
No your definitely NOT a stupid fanboy. I have a lot of respect for the way you act and moderate here man. I've also had a few great drunken nights in Sligo
To be totally honest I didnt read the whole thread because of a severe lack of time. I'm working on some head wrecking stuff here ... totally honest answer is that my replies to this thread are just a distraction from work (altho I am being honest and speaking from the heart trying to contribute positively to the community).
The point is that the lolcats started in post 3. Of a fairly serious thread.0 -
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Hah? :eek:I mean treads like this Beruthiel ...........
http://usenet.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055241397
Cazzy posted at 21.40
At 21.44 myself and tSubh responded simultaneously, helpfully I would suggest, and certainly cazzy seemed to think so, as (within seconds) she said she would take our advice, and thanked us.
I admit that I then made a joking comment about the fact that tSubh and myself had posted within seconds of one another by asking "Anyone for a game of snap?!", and there were a few silly replies.
Maybe I shouldn't have, but in fairness the question had been asked and answered and imo the thread was already finished in real terms by that time. I have interacted with cazzy on several other fora here, and I certainly had no intention of "antagonising" or in any way ridiculing her. For the record, it's not my habit to do either with GENUINE posters in Feedback, whether I have ever seen them before or not, though I'm certainly guilty of the odd smart / silly comment in this forum under other circumstances.
I'm not saying that, I just don't think you've picked a very good example of a thread being derailed. But maybe that's just me being blinkered because if it WAS derailed, I'm the guilty party.okay look im just trying to voice an opinion. If you guys dont think there's any need for improvment thats fine.
You need to remember that only the 5 Admins (6 now with CuLT?) have the authority to ban in this forum. As they are all high-powered nerds professionals, they don't actually spend every minute of every day watching for the next post to pop up in Feedback.How long did it take to ban this guy?
Yes. That does happen, too often tbh. Mind you, this is one of the ways in which boards.ie reflects RL only too well! :rolleyes:You see what happens in these threads is that people refuse to see the others point of view.
Terry's response quoted above makes more sense to me, certainly.The mods frequently tell people to "take it to feedback" when PM'ed ...
You will notice that there is a sticky on the Feedback forum with the title: "This is for FEEDBACK. If you have a query, complaint or need help, use the HELPDESK."Should all "why was I banned" threads be in helpdesk?
ASSUMING people have read that, and still post here rather than Helpdesk, I can only assume they want other users and mods to comment on the case (sometimes perhaps they are hoping for support?) OR do actually want to publicly fight teh powah. After all, in Helpdesk, they can ONLY interact with the "authority" figures.
My guess, though, is that most of them haven't bothered to read it.
I don't know if it's the standard reply; if it is, it's not a great one. I do see it on threads now and again, BUT usually when a user starts to argue with a mod as to whether or not the charter is being interpreted correctly, or whether such-and-such a thing should be allowed under the charter for that forum, or similar ... which might appropriately enough be discussed in Feedback, and is slightly different from "Why was I banned?" or "I want to appeal my ban!". Admittedly, sometimes there is a thin enough line between the two, or they become inextricably mixed up.If so why do mods tell people to "take it to feedback" as the standard reply?
Yes, but I also think that you are exaggerating the problem ... I tend to agree with this fella ...Do you think any of the posts (in this thread or any of the many other threads on this) saying there is a problem with feedback have a point?
(lick, lick!...because I think feedback, while not perfect, is working alright. We could improve things but we havent agreed a way yet...
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Seriously, though, Gandalf, as an ordinary user, I think it works well enough most of the time. It gets too cluttered with stuff that should be in Helpdesk. Who posts it here? The ordinary users, not the admins. Why? See above ... possibly, admittedly just my personal opinion.
Sometimes people jump a bit too quickly on people who raise complaints. Sometimes I feel like telling them to cop on, but it's not my place to do so. If they get too out of hand, DeV tells them to cop on. When DeV tells them to cop on, they tend to remember being told!
Very often, though, people, even those with quite genuine issues / grievances, arrive in with a poor attitude shouting about their "rights". Do you know something, I'm recently getting sick of hearing Irish people shout about their rights to everything from owning SUVs per household to getting a First Class Honours qualification because they "paid" for it ... doesn't seem to matter whether they actually put in the work, or deserved that result! Whatever happened to responsibilities? ... or to common sense, for that matter?
Whatever happened to courtesy, for that matter? If you go into a shop, and someone gives you the wrong change, do you shout "You've given me the wrong change, you stupid / Nazi shop assistant! I have a RIGHT to the correct change?" .... or do you say "Excuse me, I think you've made a mistake. Can you check, please?" (No grovelling or kneeling required!). I'm sure that you, like me, would choose the second option. Why should boards.ie be different?
Having been in a couple of countries where even basic human rights were the preserve of the elite or the lucky, and a mere aspiration to the majority, I will admit that personally the constant whinging about "rights" tends to get under my skin, and even tempts me to lolcats at times. I should probably have more patience, but there you are ... I'm human.
But yes, I don't think Feedback always works as well as it could / should. There have been numerous debates here as to how to improve it / what is the perfect solution. I've seen some interesting thoughts and suggestions, but never one solution which everybody, or even the majority, could agree upon. So the input which the admins are getting on the subject is very mixed, and judging by DeV's comment above, they themselves are still thinking about what might be the best way to go.0 -
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Long rant aside, the shop analogy is one worth taking into account.randylonghorn wrote: »Hah? :eek:
Cazzy posted at 21.40
At 21.44 myself and tSubh responded simultaneously, helpfully I would suggest, and certainly cazzy seemed to think so, as (within seconds) she said she would take our advice, and thanked us.
I admit that I then made a joking comment about the fact that tSubh and myself had posted within seconds of one another by asking "Anyone for a game of snap?!", and there were a few silly replies.
Maybe I shouldn't have, but in fairness the question had been asked and answered and imo the thread was already finished in real terms by that time. I have interacted with cazzy on several other fora here, and I certainly had no intention of "antagonising" or in any way ridiculing her. For the record, it's not my habit to do either with GENUINE posters in Feedback, whether I have ever seen them before or not, though I'm certainly guilty of the odd smart / silly comment in this forum under other circumstances.
I'm not saying that, I just don't think you've picked a very good example of a thread being derailed. But maybe that's just me being blinkered because if it WAS derailed, I'm the guilty party.
You need to remember that only the 5 Admins (6 now with CuLT?) have the authority to ban in this forum. As they are all high-powered nerds professionals, they don't actually spend every minute of every day watching for the next post to pop up in Feedback.
Yes. That does happen, too often tbh. Mind you, this is one of the ways in which boards.ie reflects RL only too well! :rolleyes:
Terry's response quoted above makes more sense to me, certainly.
You will notice that there is a sticky on the Feedback forum with the title: "This is for FEEDBACK. If you have a query, complaint or need help, use the HELPDESK."
ASSUMING people have read that, and still post here rather than Helpdesk, I can only assume they want other users and mods to comment on the case (sometimes perhaps they are hoping for support?) OR do actually want to publicly fight teh powah. After all, in Helpdesk, they can ONLY interact with the "authority" figures.
My guess, though, is that most of them haven't bothered to read it.
I don't know if it's the standard reply; if it is, it's not a great one. I do see it on threads now and again, BUT usually when a user starts to argue with a mod as to whether or not the charter is being interpreted correctly, or whether such-and-such a thing should be allowed under the charter for that forum, or similar ... which might appropriately enough be discussed in Feedback, and is slightly different from "Why was I banned?" or "I want to appeal my ban!". Admittedly, sometimes there is a thin enough line between the two, or they become inextricably mixed up.
Yes, but I also think that you are exaggerating the problem ... I tend to agree with this fella ...
(lick, lick!)
Seriously, though, Gandalf, as an ordinary user, I think it works well enough most of the time. It gets too cluttered with stuff that should be in Helpdesk. Who posts it here? The ordinary users, not the admins. Why? See above ... possibly, admittedly just my personal opinion.
Sometimes people jump a bit too quickly on people who raise complaints. Sometimes I feel like telling them to cop on, but it's not my place to do so. If they get too out of hand, DeV tells them to cop on. When DeV tells them to cop on, they tend to remember being told!
Very often, though, people, even those with quite genuine issues / grievances, arrive in with a poor attitude shouting about their "rights". Do you know something, I'm recently getting sick of hearing Irish people shout about their rights to everything from owning SUVs per household to getting a First Class Honours qualification because they "paid" for it ... doesn't seem to matter whether they actually put in the work, or deserved that result! Whatever happened to responsibilities? ... or to common sense, for that matter?
Whatever happened to courtesy, for that matter? If you go into a shop, and someone gives you the wrong change, do you shout "You've given me the wrong change, you stupid / Nazi shop assistant! I have a RIGHT to the correct change?" .... or do you say "Excuse me, I think you've made a mistake. Can you check, please?" (No grovelling or kneeling required!). I'm sure that you, like me, would choose the second option. Why should boards.ie be different?
Having been in a couple of countries where even basic human rights were the preserve of the elite or the lucky, and a mere aspiration to the majority, I will admit that personally the constant whinging about "rights" tends to get under my skin, and even tempts me to lolcats at times. I should probably have more patience, but there you are ... I'm human.
But yes, I don't think Feedback always works as well as it could / should. There have been numerous debates here as to how to improve it / what is the perfect solution. I've seen some interesting thoughts and suggestions, but never one solution which everybody, or even the majority, could agree upon. So the input which the admins are getting on the subject is very mixed, and judging by DeV's comment above, they themselves are still thinking about what might be the best way to go.
I've lifted bans and apologised to people when they have politely pointed out that I was mistaken.
One instance occured last week.
I can't remember the particulars and I'm not going looking through my PM's, but I know I made a mistake and apologised for it after a polite discussion via PM.0
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