All 08 cars may have road tax done on emissions.

Lex Luthor

MuffinsDa wrote: »

Because he bought the car in 07 knowing that the tax he has to pays is zzz, and he will continue to pay zzz (plus a reasonable 9% increase) (I fall in that actegory BTW). It sounds fair to me.

it might sound fair, but that's not to say it's right

smcgiff

Lex Luthor wrote: »

it might sound fair, but that's not to say it's right

As a 08 driver I'd say it's bollix!

No way should a 08 car be cheaper to tax than, say, the exact same 07 model.

Riskymove

smcgiff wrote: »

As a 08 driver I'd say it's bollix!

No way should a 08 car be cheaper to tax than, say, the exact same 07 model.

but thats what is going to be the case from July......in fact until they made this change it would have been worse, a car (with low emmissions for example) bought in July 08 would have been cheaper to tax than a June 08 and so on..


as for a "mutiny"!!

If people are not having a "mutiny" over health services, housing prices, etc etc they are hardly going to over a couple of hundred euro a year

what I find laughable is that they bring this in so late, after most people who ordered a Jan/Feb 08 car have already taxed...such people must be really upset over that!

WHITE_P

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0227/morningireland_av.html?2342319,242,209

This just smacks of more government incompentence.

I recently ordered a new car which under the current scheme will be cheaper to Tax than the proposed CO2 scheme (€320 v's €600), so I can't see how this is fair.

My only resason for changing my car is, I now need to accommodate 3 child seats, and as I haven't put big milage on my current car I couldn't see any point in paying extra for the diesel version.

Will the car buying public get the choice, as to which scheme they tax their car under before July 1st, or will they just force the new scheme on us from now.

vectra

As a 08 1.4tdi driver i think it could be put down as discrimination :mad:

SuprSi

Argh I'm still confused!! If I bought a new 3.2 V6 before July, I was under the impression that it would still be taxed using the current tax rates. Is this now not the case? So the above car bought before July will still be taxed post-July rates?

mvpr

Can E92 or somebody clarify this point?

I had planned on importing a 2005 1.6 tdci Focus from the UK in July to avail of the lower VRT and Road Tax rates.

Is the Government now saying that this car will face the same Road Tax rates as its equivalent that was 1st registered in Ireland?

Would it matter if I imported it before July? It would appear, if the above is correct, that there is no point in waiting til July...

dessierb

Ok. I am confused. I bought a cracker 2.2 icdi Honda Accord yesterday in N Ireland. Its a may 07. Will I now qualify for the 20% VRT and the €290 Road Tax OR am I going to be hit with the old 30% VRT and €700+ road tax. Can anyone clear this up, please. My intention was to park it until July and get the New VRT rates.
Thanks

alexmcred

dessierb wrote: »

Ok. I am confused. I bought a cracker 2.2 icdi Honda Accord yesterday in N Ireland. Its a may 07. Will I now qualify for the 20% VRT and the €290 Road Tax OR am I going to be hit with the old 30% VRT and €700+ road tax. Can anyone clear this up, please. My intention was to park it until July and get the New VRT rates.
Thanks

You will fall under the old rates.
Any new car purchased from January 2008 will have the option to switch to the new system if it benefits you to do so. Any car producing more than 225 in this period are going up to the max i.e. 2000.

Henry Ford III

Why the need to change? We were getting ready for a big change come July and now this unneccesary complication.

Lex Luthor

so why should the people who can afford to buy 08 cars be allowed to pay less tax than those who can't afford to change, but could still be driving around in identical cars?

alexmcred

Fear of loosing votes I would imagine or else it just suits them and we know what regard they have for the public. I can see them forcing more people onto the new system when they start loosing money through the road tax system

3ps

what if you are importing a UIK car next week that has no CO2 cert?

- will it be on old or new (2000) rate
- what about it's next renewal?

smcgiff

3ps wrote: »

what if you are importing a UIK car next week that has no CO2 cert?

- will it be on old or new (2000) rate
- what about it's next renewal?

I thought if a car did not have a CO2 cert it w(c)ould be charged at the hightest rate. :eek:

3ps

yes, after July.... but now I'm asking is it still after July or the January just passed???
seems unfair if the latter, no?

mick.fr

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I presume this applies to imports only?

Why do you know any car been produced in Ireland?

vectra

Lex Luthor wrote: »

so why should the people who can afford to buy 08 cars be allowed to pay less tax than those who can't afford to change, but could still be driving around in identical cars?

Never assume someone is financially better off than you might be.
I for one would NOT have a new car outside my door only for
1) I dont Smoke
2) I dont Drink
3) I dont go on foreign holidays etc.
4) i dont hang around outside the Bookies.

in other words.
I live a very meagre lifestyle bu that is the way I like it
How often do you go out socialising etc ??

Steve

smcgiff wrote: »

If they're over 225g/km they pay the new rate, afaik. Probably after their next NCT test if its not already known what CO2 level it has i.e. older cars.

I'm pretty sure the NCT can't test what the g/km rating is, this requires extensive road testing over a combined urban & open road cycle.
The NCT measures the %CO2 at idle and high idle - this is not an indicator of g/km.

There are lots of cars on the road (including mine) that do not have the CO2 cert (wasn't this introduced in 2004?) therefore there is no data for them.

If I'm wrong, please correct me and point me to where I might find the data for a '97 FTO.

OutlawPete

zac8 wrote: »

all cars with emissions over 225, regardless of age, will be subject to the new emissions based road tax.

So I was right in that Rathdown thread afterall?? My mate with his Alfa 166 2.0 (230g/kg) will have to pay 2000 Euro??

That's was three days ago when I started that thread and my mate who has that Alfa told me that he had a radio interview that said ALL cars in Ireland will eventually be subject to Co2 based road tax.

Just like they started the NCT for ONLY some cars and now it's ALL cars.

I take back that apology. Just kidding

Nico

Steve

Nico22 wrote: »

So I was right in that Rathdown thread afterall?? My mate with his Alfa 166 2.0 (230g/kg) will have to pay 2000 Euro??

Yep looks like your thread came a day early.
The irony of it all.....

Let us know if your mate has any more precictions - I'll be off to paddy powers!

E92

I thought the only thing that has changed is that if you are going to buy a 08 car before July then you can get it taxed on CO2 if you want, but anything after July will be taxed on CO2 only?

Or are they changing it for imports/older cars with CO2 data too?

MuffinsDa

Nico22 wrote: »

So I was right in that Rathdown thread afterall?? My mate with his Alfa 166 2.0 (230g/kg) will have to pay 2000 Euro??

That's was three days ago when I started that thread and my mate who has that Alfa told me that he had a radio interview that said ALL cars in Ireland will eventually be subject to Co2 based road tax.

Just like they started the NCT for ONLY some cars and now it's ALL cars.

I take back that apology. Just kidding

Nico

I think you are still wrong, at least based on the latest news:
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/0227/1203619486051.html

this is about backdating lower CO2 tax to beginning of 08, not about older cars that are already registered. All currently registered car will pay under the old system (unless they are newly registered in 08 and they get the option if they want to, unless again if they are over 225g in which case they don't get the option, they go automatically to €2000). I think it's fairly clear:

Registered your car in 08?
|
|__________NO: Continue paying under old System
|
|__________YES: does it have CO2 emissions more than 225g/km?
**********|
**********|_______YES: You'll have to pay €2000 p.a.
**********|
**********|_______NO: Can chose old or new system, whichever lower

alexmcred

MuffinsDa wrote: »

I think you are still wrong, at least based on the latest news:
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/0227/1203619486051.html

this is about backdating lower CO2 tax to beginning of 08, not about older cars that are already registered. All currently registered car will pay under the old system (unless they are newly registered in 08 and they get the option if they want to, unless again if they are over 225g in which case they don't get the option, they go automatically to €2000). I think it's fairly clear:

Registered your car in 08?
|
|__________NO: Continue paying under old System
|
|__________YES: does it have CO2 emissions more than 225g/km?
**********|
**********|_______YES: You'll have to pay €2000 p.a.
**********|
**********|_______NO: Can chose old or new system, whichever lower

nail and head

-Chris-

OK lads, I've spoken to someone who's "very close" to this whole process and here's what he's explained to me:


Irish Cars

1) Changes to road tax only affect cars registered here after 1st Jan '08.

2) If you bought your new car since 1st January and you've taxed it already, you'll be allowed to avail of the lower road tax rates after 1st July.
I.e. if you taxed your car for a year in January, you'll get the lower rate next January. If you're buying a car off me tomorrow I'd advise you to tax it for 6 months and then when you renew your tax in August you'll get the lower rate.

3) If you're in a car that should be in the higher rate, you won't be forced into the higher rate.

Imports

1) Only cars that would qualify for a '08 plate as an import will qualify for the new road tax rate. If you bring in a '06 car from the UK it'll be taxed on the CC based road tax EVEN IF IT'S IMPORTED AFTER JULY.

2) The only exception to the above is if you import a car that is >225g/km, if you import and tax one of those then you'll automatically be put into the €2,000 road tax bracket from 1st July.


That's my understanding and it's from someone who knows...

dessierb

alexmcred wrote: »

You will fall under the old rates.
Any new car purchased from January 2008 will have the option to switch to the new system if it benefits you to do so. Any car producing more than 225 in this period are going up to the max i.e. 2000.

"The compromise formula to be announced by Mr Gormley will also ensure that lower-emission cars imported from the United Kingdom will be able to qualify for lower motor taxes, as long as they were sold after January 1st"

Am I going completely mad but does this not clearly give the impression that any import no matter what age as long as its first registered post jan08 is vtr'd and taxed on co2. Can anyone just give a simple answer, Maybe its my hangover but i cant get around this. E92 even your stumped on this one.....

The above post has just answered my question. I've just got screwed by Gormley....New honda Accord bought yesterday. Great value but would be a serious buy if i could have availed of co2 and reduced vrt...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

quarryman

AudiChris wrote: »

Imports

1) Only cars that would qualify for a '08 plate as an import will qualify for the new road tax rate. If you bring in a '06 car from the UK it'll be taxed on the CC based road tax EVEN IF IT'S IMPORTED AFTER JULY.

2) The only exception to the above is if you import a car that is >225g/km, if you import and tax one of those then you'll automatically be put into the €2,000 road tax bracket from 1st July.

interesting. so you can import a sub 225 emission car after July and you will NEVER be charged based on the emissions?

mvpr

So we are being encouraged to buy new cars... No wonder the SIMI are so happy with these proposals... John gormley is an absolute idiot. The Co2 used to produce a new car must be infinitely more than running say a 2000 reg car into the ground. I'm not a politically minded person, but this whole thing stinks!

-Chris-

dessierb wrote: »

"The compromise formula to be announced by Mr Gormley will also ensure that lower-emission cars imported from the United Kingdom will be able to qualify for lower motor taxes, as long as they were sold after January 1st"

Am I going completely mad but does this not clearly give the impression that any import no matter what age as long as its first registered post jan08 is vtr'd and taxed on co2. Can anyone just give a simple answer, Maybe its my hangover but i cant get around this. E92 even your stumped on this one.....

If your import gets an Irish plate that's 07, 06 or 05 and you bring it in before 1st July you'll pay VRT & Road Tax based on the current system.

If your import gets an Irish plate that's 07, 06 or 05 and you bring it in after 1st July you'll pay VRT based on the new system & Road Tax based on the current system.

If your import gets an Irish plate that's 08 and you bring it in before 1st July you'll pay VRT on the current system & Road Tax based on the new system.

If your import gets an Irish plate that's 08 and you bring it in after 1st July you'll pay VRT & Road Tax based on the new system.


The idea is to stop a dealer having two '06 BMW 320d cars on two different road tax systems.

Lex Luthor

vectra wrote: »

Never assume someone is financially better off than you might be.
I for one would NOT have a new car outside my door only for
1) I dont Smoke
2) I dont Drink
3) I dont go on foreign holidays etc.
4) i dont hang around outside the Bookies.

in other words.
I live a very meagre lifestyle bu that is the way I like it
How often do you go out socialising etc ??

ok, nevermind the bit about someone being able to "afford" a new '08 car...

the problem I see happening is there will be people out there arguing the fact that why should they pay more road tax than johnny next door if johnny has a new '08 car and this person has an older car but the same engine

ps. I don't smoke, drink occasionally, go on foreign holidays and have a paddy power online account. I rarely get out but that's because I can't get a babysitter, but I still couldn't afford to buy a '08 car this year in the car of my choice

-Chris-

quarryman wrote: »

interesting. so you can import a sub 225 emission car after July and you will NEVER be charged based on the emissions?

Yep. Unless you import a 3 year old car in 2011, where you'll get your 08D (or 08C, or 08WW...) reg and you'll be completely CO2 assessed