New Shopping Centre - Harry Renolds Road

Jimdagym

Anyone see this in the fingal?? An anchor shop and 28 stores with 6 places to eat between the cemetery and Fingal Bay business park. Given "the green light" which I presume means PP granted. One of the condition is that it must allow access for ALDI, and it has 925 parking spaces, but I dont think they can open till phase 2 is complete, or something like that.
A fine structure, on its own, but if the new centre goes ahead in the middle of the town, is it anyway neccesary??? That will be acouple of times bigger.

Bluetonic

Jimdagym wrote: »

Anyone see this in the fingal?? An anchor shop and 28 stores with 6 places to eat between the cemetery and Fingal Bay business park. Given "the green light" which I presume means PP granted. One of the condition is that it must allow access for ALDI, and it has 925 parking spaces, but I dont think they can open till phase 2 is complete, or something like that.
A fine structure, on its own, but if the new centre goes ahead in the middle of the town, is it anyway neccesary??? That will be acouple of times bigger.

Planning application F07A/1250 for those who are interested.

Jimdagym wrote: »

A fine structure, on its own, but if the new centre goes ahead in the middle of the town, is it anyway neccesary??? That will be acouple of times bigger.

Floor space of this will be 23,510 sq.m. and has no residential aspect to it. Floor space of the proposed development in the center of the town will be 26,778 sq.m and has over half dedicated to residential space, so it's not really 'a couple of times bigger' is it? By the way the center of the town development has already been refused planning permission with one of the main objectors the developers of the one above which has been given permission.

Jimdagym

Bluetonic wrote: »

Planning application F07A/1250 for those who are interested.



Floor space of this will be 23,510 sq.m. and has no residential aspect to it. Floor space of the proposed development in the center of the town will be 26,778 sq.m and has over half dedicated to residential space, so it's not really 'a couple of times bigger' is it? By the way the center of the town development has already been refused planning permission with one of the main objectors the developers of the one above which has been given permission.

Apologies, I had been informed that the town centre developement ran from o'conners down to ennis's, went right back, and ran to 10 floor's at its highest,so I imagined that to be considerably bigger than a twenty-odd shop developement, which would not be half the size of the Pavillions. But I was only theorising. Unless that size includes the multi-storey car park, and Aldi? Again I am only guessing.

Bluetonic

Aldi's planning permission is a separate one.

Jimdagym

Full Development Description


Development at this site of approx.8.287ha of land bounded generally by the Naul Road and the existing cemetery to the North, Clonard Hill and the Fingal Bay development to the south, lands also zoned for Major Town Centre to the East and land zoned for future residential development to the west, at Balbriggan, Co. Dublin. The proposed development consists of a new regional/district centre, with associated car parking on lands at Balbriggan. The proposed development represents phase one of an overall development masterplan for the lands. The development now proposed consists of a gross floor space of c.23,510m², within a building that extends to two floors over an undercroft car park. The development includes 1 no. major store unit, 28 no. additional retail units, 6 no. class 2 community/services/office units, a health and fitness centre, a medical centre and a restaurant/food court area, including plant and circulation areas (combined GFA of c.22,028m²). A total of 952 no. car parking spaces with additional core areas (combined GFA of c. 1,482m²) are also to be provided. The centre is organised over two primary levels accessed via a glazed internal street, which runs generally east west across the site. Travelators, escalators, lifts and stairs connect the two levels, and access to the retail centre is from four points. One at each end of the street from the civic plazas at the lower level, and the third at the upper level from the adjoining car park and fourth from the undercroft car park. The major store units consists of c.9,640m² retail floorspace including areas for food and non-food sales, an off-licence area of c.150m² and hot food/deli sales area of c.55m². A further c.255m² of storage, administration, staff facilities and circulation area are included within the overall unit. The retail areas are organised over two levels in this unit. 28 no., additional retail units are proposed within the retail centre area, ranging in size from c.15m² to c.454m², together with other areas giving an overall total of additional retail area of c.4,825m². An area of c.859m² on the upper level is set aside to accommodate up to 6no. food outlets and restaurants service hot snacks and refreshments for consumption on the premises. A further 6no. units ranging in size from 55m² to 177m² are proposed at ground floor on the northern elevation of the building, which will be independent of the main retail centre. 4no. of these own-door units will be organised in a partly stand-alone structure which has been designed to read as part of the overall complex, and are organised to address a crescent shaped road, which runs through the site. Together with the civic spaces they provide activity and interest onto the adjoining streets. These units will be serviced from the rear via an internal gated access road. All six of these units are to be used for purposes falling into Class 2 of Part 4 of Schedule 2 of the Planning and Development Regulations 2001. A leisure centre/gym c.345m² and medical centre of c.362m² are to be located on the upper level of this stand-alone structure above the 4 no. class 2 units and will have access directly from the crescent. Service access to all of the units on the southern side of the retail centre is to be via 2 dedicated service yards. The major store unit will have direct access to the loading bays, whilst the remaining smaller retail units will be provided with access to the delivery areas through a series of communal corridors. Delivery access to the units on the northern side of the retail centre will be via a delivery road running between 4no. partly standalone Class 2 units and the main retail centre area. Both delivery roads will be gated at both ends. Associated car parking of c.952 no. car spaces capacity is provided in two car parks: Car Park A is an undercroft car park below the retail centre building and crescent road and accessed from the north side of the site, providing a total of 429no. spaces, together with 703m² of additional core areas. A further 6 no. surface carparking spaces are located off the Crescent directly outside the Class 2 units. Car Park B is a 4 storey multi storey car park immediately to the south of the proposed retail centre building. Whilst this car park has a final built capacity of 932 no. spaces, together with 779m² of additional core areas, it is to be opened on a phased basis as the overall masterplan development progresses. The building is to be constructed in its entirety as part of the current development, however only the lower 2 levels, incorporating 517no. spaces including some surface car parking spaces will be available for use, in conjunction with this development. The use of the additional car parking levels in car park B will take place as and when future development in accordance with the masterplan, is developed and be the subject of future planning applications. Vehicle, pedestrians and cycles will access the proposed development at five distinct locations. A pathway in the northeast corner of the site will provide pedestrian-only access from the existing pathway to the northeast of the site, located between the site and the (Naul Road) Cemetery. In the north of the site, where the existing pathway joins the Naul Road, a second access point will provide pedestrian and cycle access to the proposed development. To the northwest of the site, a new roundabout junction on the Naul Road will provide vehicular access from the existing road network. The new roundabout will be located at and will replace the existing T-junction that provides access to the existing Westbrook Housing Development. To the southwest of the site, a T-junction will provide access to the development from a new road network to be constructed by Fingal County Council under Part VIII of the Planning and Development Regulations 2001. The T-junction is included in the proposed Part VIII scheme, which has been approved. The new junction will be c.285m southeast of the proposed signalised junction of the Naul Road and the new road network. To the southeast of the site, a second T-junction proposed as part of the development will provide a third vehicular access point to the development. This junction will provide access from the new Part VIII road network. Pedestrian and cycle access will be provided at all three points of vehicular access. A total of 4 no. ESB Substations are also proposed, located internally within the main fabric of the buildings. A free-standing totem sign will be positioned near to each of the main vehicular entrances to the development. Each of the three signs will be c.8m in overall height and will display internally illuminated information identifying the overall identity of the centre and traders within the centre. In addition to this, the main entrances to the centre, and the Southern elevation of the retail centre and Car Park 'B' will carry the name of the centre above the doors and the major store unit will have external signage identifying their premises, as will the units facing onto the crescent. Site development and landscape works are also proposed as part of this application. An Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) will be submitted to the Planning Authority with this application.

That floor size is for the parking, and gym and everything.

Jimdagym

Bluetonic wrote: »

Aldi's planning permission is a separate one.

Your right, I remember reading in the article that Aldi's planning was before the counsel now.

Bluetonic

Jimdagym wrote: »

That floor size is for the parking, and gym and everything.

To base it purely on retail space so, the retail floor space of the development which was denied planning permission for the town center is 9,418 sq m.

The retail floor space of the approved Clonard Hill development is 9,640 sq m.

The Clonard Hill development is actually bigger then the hideous development they proposed for Heenys Field.

Jimdagym

Bluetonic wrote: »

The Clonard Hill development is actually bigger then the hideous development they proposed for Heenys Field.

Which one is that Bluetonic? I dont know Heenys field.

halenger

Any indications on if and when development will begin?

Bluetonic

Jimdagym wrote: »

Which one is that Bluetonic? I dont know Heenys field.

The back of the canal (behind De Bruns)

halenger wrote: »

Any indications on if and when development will begin?

No time constraints on the approved planning permission.

cheridere

Is this the field the Dome is in? Ah the memories

Bluetonic

cheridere wrote: »

Is this the field the Dome is in? Ah the memories

The Dome?

cheridere

Bluetonic wrote: »

The Dome?

If you look into the field there is what looks like a little hill with bushes on it right in the middle, up until about 10 years ago that was the dome. (the landowner accidently knocked it in with a tractor to stop people coming and going ;-))
To be exact it was an old circular red brick kiln about 10 meters in Diameter with a small hole in the ceiling(for the chimeny I expect) it could be accessed through a small door under one of the bushes, it could hold about 10 people and even had a sofa in it at one stage(some cnut burnt it), mesmelf and a few associates used to go and have a few cans etc,,,,, pretty cool at night with candles on the wall and a stereo.

Bluetonic

Oh yeah I believe there was a old brick factory there at one stage, I presume it had many other uses too.

God only knows what kids these days will have memories of, everything seems to be getting concreted over.

cheridere

A truer word was never said, I look at Legoland now and still think of the days mitching in the fields(over the fence at the corner of the field above the gym in the tech), nothing but apartments and roads now...

blastman

The kids today will look back and say do you remember when Balbriggan and The Naul were two separate towns? And the motorway only had two lanes in each direction?

:rolleyes:

cathy01

whi are the developers of the naul building?
ah 5.44 in the morning and I cant think straight.