self build block work

keno75

i am building a 3140 sq ft house in a type of n shape to create courtyard effect at back, very traditional design in Co. Cork.

my question is about the blockwork. I have been quoted for all my walls, 3 courses of dead work, all materials and labour including:
blocks
soaps
lintels
cills
chimneys
fireplace flu
dpc's
insulation and walll ties
sand
cement and plas

the quote i have including everything is 33,340 euro, how does that sound?

the GALL

Is that plaster or plastiser

keno75

it does not include any plastering

De_man

who's responsible for digging / pouring the foundations?

AckwelFoley

If this price is for Just the block work and materials quoted its Daylight robbery..

Is there any stone work involved?

keno75

This Includes All Materials It Does Not Include Any Ground Works/ Foundations Etc
Does Not Include Plastering

My Whole Project Is Coming In At About €400,000 For A 3141 Sq Ft Country Farmhouse - Thats Turnkey Everything Incl
I Work That Out At About €127 Per Sq Ft - The Spec Would Be Quite High At That


Is It As Cut And Dry As Price. Does The Quality/reputation Of The Builder Count For Anything? This Guy Comes Very Highly Recommended To Me And A Family Member Is Project Managing The Project - Someone We Would Have 100% Confidence In.

What Do Ye Think?

muffler

keno75 wrote: »

This Includes All Materials It Does Not Include Any Ground Works/ Foundations Etc
Does Not Include Plastering ..............................................Thats Turnkey Everything Inc

Thats not a turnkey project.

getfit

Do you know how many blocks are needed??? That will be a good starting point for a price comparison....

De_man

keno75 wrote: »

This Includes All Materials It Does Not Include Any Ground Works/ Foundations Etc
Does Not Include Plastering

My Whole Project Is Coming In At About €400,000 For A 3141 Sq Ft Country Farmhouse - Thats Turnkey Everything Incl
I Work That Out At About €127 Per Sq Ft - The Spec Would Be Quite High At That


Is It As Cut And Dry As Price. Does The Quality/reputation Of The Builder Count For Anything? This Guy Comes Very Highly Recommended To Me And A Family Member Is Project Managing The Project - Someone We Would Have 100% Confidence In.

What Do Ye Think?

speaking from experience i get worried when i see a project intended to come in at a certain price, what type of doors, skirting etc would be used ? oak, ash? kitchen etc all these add to the cost

bakerbhoy

keno75 wrote: »

i am building a 3140 sq ft house in a type of n shape to create courtyard effect at back, very traditional design in Co. Cork.

my question is about the blockwork. I have been quoted for all my walls, 3 courses of dead work, all materials and labour including:
blocks
soaps
lintels
cills
chimneys
fireplace flu
dpc's
insulation and walll ties
sand
cement and plas

the quote i have including everything is 33,340 euro, how does that sound?

Rough figures for 2150 sq bungalow on three levels and 232 sq ft garage.
Includes ground work, rockbreaker,stone,radon ,tanking,wavins,blocks ,blockwork,dpc,plasticiser,lintels,cills,soaps etc,concrete for founds and sub floor,sand ,cement,wall ties and steel work.
€49,772 + Insulation panels approx €3000

thekooman

similar sized storey and a half, 3200 sq ft with a 700 sq ft garage (did with cavity blocks) cost us 21,000 incl vat.
i haven't done the maths on the amount of blocks but it was a euro a block roughly and the labour was 10000. included cement, sand, lintels and hire of a teleporter for a week.

lfcjfc

Finished the blockwork on a 3100ft H-shape house back in Autumn 07. Excluding deadwork, all labour (€1.20 per block) and all materials (everything!) came to €23000. We supplied materials ourselves. Labour costs may havedropped slightly sine then but materials have definitely gone up.

bbam

Hi...
We've a 1.5 Story traditional style 3200 sq ft house ongoing... I did the math for what it cost us, €28,100
This includes everything from the foundations right up, 4 rows deadbuilding...
We installed the radon & poured the sub floors ourselves.
We supplied all materials to site..

Cheers..
BAM

tobinj6

Hi i think you would be mad to allow the builder to supply materials, you should take time out and sit down with pm or qs and get the quantity of what materials you need for the project and ring around for best prices, then pay for the laour only and you will be sure to save at least 8000 euro which in turn will go towards materials for your roof etc. Also the amount of brickies tha are crying out for work is amazing so be afraid to speak.
Best of luck and keep us posted on your progress

keno75

Firstly to muffler - this is a turnkey project - you hardly think im after forgeting the foundations in the house. you read the post out of context.

et al - the labour is costing €22,977 for the blockwork this includes 3 courses of deadwork and all the scaffolding etc. plus what is listed in the first post. I am buying all the materials myself.

what confuses me is that if I divide that figure by the number of blocks which is 9750 - I get €2.35 per block, but obvioulsy its not as simple as this. what else beside labour per block is built into these costs, eg deadwork, window cills (36) etc

by the way thanks for all yere replies - we are due to break ground on the 14th of march

keno75

bbam,

when you say from the foundations up - do you mean incuding the foundations or not for that price

getfit

Based on your price by the block things look very pricey. The quote I've gobne with is -
80c a block for the rising walls.
Then the structure itself will cost €8,000. Blockies seem to include windows and doors in their amount of blocks for costs some others not. Lads have said to me this "factors in" the headache of sills etc. I have about 6,300 blocks in the structure of the house which seems to give about 1.27 per block. Saying that there is a bay window and an area where gable wall meets a slightly angled roof and a need for a few RSJs for walls that protude. Nothing messy, but not 100% square and standard....

Another guy quoted me 10k for 3 courses of rising wall and the full structure, which is similar to the quote I've gone with.

A next door neighbour of mine has about 10,000 blocks in the house he's about to build and he's received a quote of 12k for all work from rising walls up.

bbam

keno75 wrote: »

bbam,

when you say from the foundations up - do you mean incuding the foundations or not for that price

No, foundations were seperate...
Cheers
bam