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    #32
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,510 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    It's a bit like asking "What's your favourite Westlife song"
    the answer's the same

    they're all sh*te!
    CrowdedHouse wrote: »
    .......and the award for 'Post of the Day' goes to Colm_mcm :D

    +1 :D:D

    Made me laugh a lot


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    #33
    pburns
    Registered Users Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    Peugeot went through a real purple period in the late '80s-late '90s. It started with the 205 in early 80s I suppose but 306, 405 & - to a lesser extent - 406 were all pretty much the best handling/best looking in class (this is back when Fords were crap). The 309 deserves an honourable mention also.

    They've really fallen backwards though. Every other manufacturer has improved quality & reliability I think but not Peugeot. And the ergonomics of the 407 is a disaster - lots of buttons. According to the motoring hacks they don't lead the field on handling any more either, prefering a more middle-of-the-road policy. Their mantle has been taken over by Ford and Mazda IMO.

    Citroen is a marque I'd love to love... They have a lot of rebuilding to do however and are saddled with PSA platforms. I luv the looks of the C4, new C5 and C6 but none are anywhere near top-of-class in their respective sectors and reliability/residual worries remain.

    Renault? To their credit the Megane II and Laguna II were innovative designs but everything else about 'em these days is a bit crap.

    Favorite French maker? Well one of my favorite cars of all time is the 504 coupe:

    http://www.trulinesteering.com.au/Images/Gallery/images/Peugeot%20504%20Coupe.jpg

    ...but it's really hard to justify any of 'em at the moment...


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    #34
    crosstownk
    Registered Users Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    And why Westlife have had something like 14 number 1's?

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. They sold songs and they made money - end game.
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    #35
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,457 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I wouldn't buy their albums,
    not my thing.
    Nor are French cars,
    people still buy them though!


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    #36
    crosstownk
    Registered Users Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    people still buy them though!

    And that's what counts.
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    #37
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,457 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    so on that basis, the best French (or any) car is the one which sells the most!


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    #38
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    pburns wrote: »
    They've really fallen backwards though. Every other manufacturer has improved quality & reliability I think but not Peugeot.

    I don't know about that - I think the general trend in car reliability is downwards. Too many new cars are being put on sale before being fully de-bugged, and the consumer has turned into the R & D department....

    Audi's, Merc's, Ford's - all have some atrocious issues. Case in point - the entire VAG group uses complete ****e for both coilpacks and MAF's. BMW give them a close run for 2nd on the MAF front. VAG score again on the A6's and A4's, suspension joints made of.........poo.

    Ditto, Renault and their petrol coils, and EGR's on their diesels.

    GM and coil packs. Volvo on electronics, generally. BMW, i-drive - should be renamed i-dunno-drive.

    Ford and ECU's.

    Anything with a Dual Mass Flywheel (DMF). Should be renamed DNF.

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    #39
    pburns
    Registered Users Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭pburns


    galwaytt wrote: »
    I don't know about that - I think the general trend in car reliability is downwards. Too many new cars are being put on sale before being fully de-bugged, and the consumer has turned into the R & D department....

    Audi's, Merc's, Ford's - all have some atrocious issues. Case in point - the entire VAG group uses complete ****e for both coilpacks and MAF's. BMW give them a close run for 2nd on the MAF front. VAG score again on the A6's and A4's, suspension joints made of.........poo.

    Ditto, Renault and their petrol coils, and EGR's on their diesels.

    GM and coil packs. Volvo on electronics, generally. BMW, i-drive - should be renamed i-dunno-drive.

    Ford and ECU's.

    Anything with a Dual Mass Flywheel (DMF). Should be renamed DNF.

    I bow, sir, to your superior knowledge...
    (...and I'm not being sarcastic!:))

    You probably have a point. Leaving that aside though, last time i rode in a 206 (not a particularly old one) I was shocked at how tinny, rattly and cheap it felt. Haven't experienced that with other marques...


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    #40
    Drexl Spivey
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Drexl Spivey


    Renault for me.

    I had a crash. My Clio '92 was OK and I was able to drive away. The Seat Ibizawas destroyed and had to be towed.
    There was an over 10m skid mark behind the seat , it was going so fast. It hit me on the side.


    I heard about Peugeots 505 that had 500 000k on the clock. And after you hear French car aren't reliable .. :O)


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    #41
    Hagar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    You need to see the specs on the versions on sale here in France. They are totally different cars. You're making judgements on seriously cut-down versions. Not really fair.


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    #42
    LolaDub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭LolaDub


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    It's a bit like asking "What's your favourite Westlife song"
    the answer's the same

    they're all sh*te!

    Got to agree! PSA and renault produce crap. They're all awful so i'll decline to vote, you really need an atari jaguar option!


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    #43
    towel401
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭towel401


    Peugeot. i'm the biggest peugeot fanboy here :)

    Renaults tend to be ugly as sin. especially that Nissan Primastar thing that Renault makes under a different name


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    #44
    towel401
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭towel401


    LolaDub wrote: »
    Got to agree! PSA and renault produce crap. They're all awful so i'll decline to vote, you really need an atari jaguar option!

    jaguar is french now?


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    #45
    Hagar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    towel401 wrote: »
    jaguar is french now?
    No, it's Indian just like Land Rover. :pac:


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    #46
    crosstownk
    Registered Users Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    LolaDub wrote: »
    Got to agree! PSA and renault produce crap. They're all awful so i'll decline to vote, you really need an atari jaguar option!

    Everyone has their own viewpoint - but how can you slate the new C5 as crap? Have you driven one?
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    #47
    Guy:Incognito
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    towel401 wrote: »

    Renaults tend to be ugly as sin. especially that Nissan Primastar thing that Renault makes under a different name

    As vans go, it's hardly any more or less ugly than any others. Renault have their own one of that van too, its not just Renault made for Nissan, its the Trafic, Primastar and Vivaro.


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    #48
    LolaDub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭LolaDub


    Hagar wrote: »
    No, it's Indian just like Land Rover. :pac:

    Hagar shouldn't you be raking in the booze for the weekend ;)


    Towel an atari option as a default option, never heard of it?


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    #49
    LolaDub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭LolaDub


    crosstownk wrote: »
    Everyone has their own viewpoint - but how can you slate the new C5 as crap? Have you driven one?

    The french are alright at making small engined city cars, they tend to lose it when they try to move onto bigger things. Their problem with smaller cars is they overprice them for what they are and they're not as reliable as their japanese competitors. I drove the c5 for about 15 mins, there were a number of things i didn't like about but they were mostly my personal preference. I would be concerned about reliability if i had one on my drive tomorrow (although i'd trade it in the second i saw it for something better different but i suppose we'll see whether it is or isn't soon enough!


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    #50
    crosstownk
    Registered Users Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    LolaDub wrote: »
    I drove the c5 for about 15 mins

    A whole 15 mins - wow. I've managed 10,000 km without issue. 35,000 in a C4 Picasso before that without any problems.

    Reliabilty - no issues so far with the C5. A lot more than the VW Passat can boast given it's the AA's most recovered car.

    The 1.6HDI bulletproof - nobody in the motor industry will argue with that.
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    #51
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    LolaDub wrote: »
    e and they're not as reliable as their japanese competitors.

    Either are any other non-japanese makes. Audi came below one or two (renault anyway iirc) of the French makes for warranty claims last year.


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    #52
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,450 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Reliability in newish cars has become a bit of a non-issue in recent years. The difference in reliability between the most reliable and the least reliable new car is very small indeed.

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    #53
    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,245 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    In fairness lads the diesel engine as we know today would probably still be in the dark ages if it were not for the likes of the French. Not even mentioning that the Citroen DS was well ahead of its time in many areas.

    French cars have their problems but they have contributed alot to the motor industry. Credit were credit is due imo.


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    #54
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    I have a c4 as my company car now. I hate it, I despise it. Had Tried parking it in Ballymun with the key in it, even the scummers won't take it. If it was stolen I could have a Seat Leon.

    Had a Laguna before and I spent more time in rentals while it was off being repaired. Anything that could go wrong with that car went wrong with it.


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    #55
    markos79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 303 ✭✭markos79


    18170.jpg?is=350,350,0xffffff

    heres a french maid more reliable than any french car.


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    #56
    towel401
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭towel401


    markos79 wrote: »
    18170.jpg?is=350,350,0xffffff

    heres a french maid more reliable than any french car.

    probably needs a new clutch plate


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    #57
    S.I.R
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭S.I.R


    depends on the model... the 106 is utterly bullet proof... the 205 is a craicing motor... the renault 5 clio laguna and older meganes... Wohoo great motors...


    the ****reon xzara is a brilliant car too... majority have crap owners... thus they get a bad rep..


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    #58
    S.I.R
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭S.I.R


    towel401 wrote: »
    probably needs a new clutch plate

    no thread left on that yoke... might aswell be f...ing a bucket. >.>


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    #59
    towel401
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭towel401


    Stekelly wrote: »
    As vans go, it's hardly any more or less ugly than any others. Renault have their own one of that van too, its not just Renault made for Nissan, its the Trafic, Primastar and Vivaro.

    ah now the 1st generation Scudo & clones are nice enough looking. there's a few other nice looking vans around like the new VW caddy although they are not full sized. Primastar and the like have to be one of the ugliest vans along with the Fiat Doblo and the Kangoo which looks like a really big gee whizz


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    #60
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    towel401 wrote: »
    ah now the 1st generation Scudo & clones are nice enough looking. there's a few other nice looking vans around like the new VW caddy although they are not full sized. Primastar and the like have to be one of the ugliest vans along with the Fiat Doblo and the Kangoo which looks like a really big gee whizz

    How many people buy vans for looks? Price and function is the name of the game for any serious businesses person. It's a box on wheels. Space is what vans are for. A tradesman who spends more time tarting up his van than working is not much use.

    As it stands the Trafic is the most comfortable van I've driven. Nice place to be , all told.


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    #61
    waxon-waxoff
    Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭waxon-waxoff


    Berlingo vans are the best modern Citroens, they are uncomplicated and maybe thats the key to success- no troublesome electrics.

    In the 1990's, the Peugeot 205 and 405 ruled. 405 GLD's were possibly the most popular car in rural Ireland. The lucky few had GTDT's and the luckier still Mi 16.

    The 205 GTi was an amazing car, pity Peugeot lost the plot with the replacements.


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