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    #62
    Drexl Spivey
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Drexl Spivey


    French cars unreliable? I wonder how Sebastien Loeb managed to win the World Rally championship with his Citroen .. He must be really good ... :D

    (Citroen winner 2004-2007)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Rally_Championship_Drivers%27_Champions
    1db4-2008-Citroen-C4-WRC.jpg


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    #63
    andrewh5
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭andrewh5


    Citroen and Peugeot are one and the same company.


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    #64
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    Can't believe this thread is going the distance.


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    #65
    Andrewf20
    Registered Users Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Andrewf20


    Max_Damage wrote: »
    Peugeot 505. Best of the lot.

    My friend's family had an '85 Peugeot 505 estate for years, it just kept going and going. From what I saw it nearly never broke down. And it was built like a tank.

    What happened to Peugeot? I think when the 206 came along, it all went downhill from there.

    The old Peugeots like the 505 are mad popular in Africa along with the Corolla.


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    #66
    Quint
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    Renaults have to be the worst manufacturer ever. I remember during the heavy rain checking out the amount of cars broken down. It was Renault: 3 Every other manufacturer in the world: 0.
    And the floods on the Saturday before: Renault: 4, Merc: 1.
    And that's just breaking down, never mind all the stuff inside that breaks off and electrics that stop working


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    #67
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Quint wrote: »
    Renaults have to be the worst manufacturer ever. I remember during the heavy rain checking out the amount of cars broken down. It was Renault: 3 Every other manufacturer in the world: 0.
    And the floods on the Saturday before: Renault: 4, Merc: 1.
    And that's just breaking down, never mind all the stuff inside that breaks off and electrics that stop working

    Good man, despite them not coming bottom of the owner surveys or stat based ones (no of faults per 100 cars) they are clearly the worst. The arent even the worst French make , stat wise, in recent times.

    Driving through a flood will kill any car, as witnessed in the recent floods that saw the papers full of pictures for days of any make of car and van you chose
    broken down in it.

    Build quality or reliability makes no difference and come a distant 2nd to stupidity when large amounts of water are brought into the equation.


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    #68
    Drexl Spivey
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Drexl Spivey


    Quint wrote: »
    Renaults have to be the worst manufacturer ever. I remember during the heavy rain checking out the amount of cars broken down. It was Renault: 3 Every other manufacturer in the world: 0.
    And the floods on the Saturday before: Renault: 4, Merc: 1.
    And that's just breaking down, never mind all the stuff inside that breaks off and electrics that stop working

    The French also make submarines. Much more reliable under water.
    frtriomphant.jpg


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    #69
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Jeff Bond wrote: »
    The French also make submarines. Much more reliable under water.
    frtriomphant.jpg

    They should really educate the crew. Inside is much safer in a sub.


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    #70
    Chucky4celtic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭Chucky4celtic


    Biro wrote: »
    Bugatti or Airbus...

    the bugatti is built by Volkswagen AG subsidiary Bugatti Automobiles SAS so is it technically really french


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    #71
    Quint
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    Stekelly wrote: »
    Build quality or reliability makes no difference and come a distant 2nd to stupidity when large amounts of water are brought into the equation.
    It's funny that they were the only car broken down, and they weren't in floods! It's just there seemed to be a particularly large amount of renaults broken down that day. Do you 2 guys sell renaults by any chance?


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    #72
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Quint wrote: »
    It's funny that they were the only car broken down, and they weren't in floods! It's just there seemed to be a particularly large amount of renaults broken down that day. Do you 2 guys sell renaults by any chance?

    Even if we did sell Renaults (which I don't, I'm a plumber fwiw) I wouldn't be responsible for reliability and ownership surveys, and uk based ones at that. I'm good, but not that good.

    And if they weren't in the floods then I don't see what the floods have to do with it, in case you havnt noticed it rains a hell of a lot here. By your reckoning we should all be gridlocked with rusting Renaults lying all over the road.

    At the end of the day Renault had a bad patch with the 01-05 Laguna 2 phase and the 03 - Megane. Having said that there are a lot more trouble free ones than not. I know 3 or 4 of each among friends (and friends of friends) and family. They are a make that suffers badly from the "man down the pub said" whereas so called solid makes like Audi can have poor (and worse than Renault) results and not suffer at all. Ask the man on the street and they will tell you VW and Audi are great cars that never give trouble. Some people ( a lot in Ireland) believe what they want to believe and take what the "expert" in the pub says as gospel, despite him having said it 20 years ago.


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    #73
    Quint
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    Just telling you what I saw. :pac:


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    #74
    bostoncommon
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    I worked with Renault for years. It was great for getting to know customers, I would see them every week waiting in the service dept. I miss dealing with annoyed customers ahh those were the days. 01 Laguna coils/windows/shocks/key cards/alloys/aircon/flashing lights on dash/tires the list goes on and then came the migraine sorry Megane.


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    #75
    SV
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    French cars are the best.

    and renault is the best of the lot of them. :D


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    #76
    Drexl Spivey
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Drexl Spivey


    bostoncommon wrote: »
    I worked with Renault for years. It was great for getting to know customers, I would see them every week waiting in the service dept. I miss dealing with annoyed customers ahh those were the days. 01 Laguna coils/windows/shocks/key cards/alloys/aircon/flashing lights on dash/tires the list goes on and then came the migraine sorry Megane.

    I used to work in a customer service dpt, and I rarely saw happy customers. I had the impression that none of the products my company sold worked!

    It would have been interesting to know the percentage of cars with problems.

    At the end of the day, some cars (some models/years) have known issues. This is true for all makes.

    Renault makes cars since the end of 19th century.


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    #77
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Jeff Bond wrote: »
    I used to work in a customer service dpt, and I rarely saw happy customers. I had the impression that none of the products my company sold worked!.

    I cant see why anyone working in a customer service dept would be any different. How many people go back to somewhere they buy something to tell the people there how great it is. The only time I've ever gone back to a shop is when something is wrong (obviously excluding repeat business)


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    #78
    Biro
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    Chucky4celtic wrote: »
    the bugatti is built by Volkswagen AG subsidiary Bugatti Automobiles SAS so is it technically really french

    It was half Italian too at another stage!! Sure if that's the case is Volvo American rather than Sweedish? :) It's French enough!


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    #79
    markos79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 303 ✭✭markos79


    Jeff Bond wrote: »
    French cars unreliable? I wonder how Sebastien Loeb managed to win the World Rally championship with his Citroen .. He must be really good ... :D

    (Citroen winner 2004-2007)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Rally_Championship_Drivers%27_Champions
    1db4-2008-Citroen-C4-WRC.jpg

    ye thats because mr.loeb gets a new engine for every rally!!!!


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    #80
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭SV


    markos79 wrote: »
    ye thats because mr.loeb gets a new engine for every rally!!!!

    Ok so. How has my clio done 22k miles with only oil changes?
    It should have broke down hundreds of times!


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    #81
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    ClioV6 wrote: »
    Ok so. How has my clio done 22k miles with only oil changes?
    It should have broke down hundreds of times!

    Pah, mine did more than that without one (it was badly treated early on) It's now on 85k ish in the care of my mother without incident. My dads Laguna just passed the nct with flying colours at 112k (with nothing done since he got it 18months ago except carrying around 150kg of tools and being on its knees for the last 12k).

    My 2 safranes had 210k on them between them at time of purchase. I put 10k more or so on them and one is on carzone with another 10k on it.


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    #82
    RobAMerc
    Registered Users Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    as usual with boards a 6 page discussion about reliability totally ignoring the dynamic abilities of the cars in question.

    No one has mentioned the fact the French dominated the hot hatch arena for years with some brilliant handling, fun cars - no one was close to them with regard to chassis design providing super handling while all the while maintaining superb ride.

    I spent the last few weeks about Europe and was delighted to see the majority of folk still buy European - thank god their car knowledge isn't as low as this country's else they'd all be driving jap crap like us Irish all seem to be ( oh yea its coz they are reliable :rolleyes: )


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    #83
    Guy:Incognito
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    RobAMerc wrote: »

    I spent the last few weeks about Europe and was delighted to see the majority of folk still buy European - thank god their car knowledge isn't as low as this country's else they'd all be driving jap crap like us Irish all seem to be ( oh yea its coz they are reliable :rolleyes: )

    In my grannies town in southern Germany I only remember seeing 1 none european car, and that was because I was in it (I'm not saying there isnt more, the blandness just doesnt register :)) . My mothers friends Jazz (not a very comfy place to be , especially with more than 3 people in it). The town and it's outlying areas has about 100k people at a guess.

    Also has the only Phaeton I've seen up close. Theres Twingos everywhere there too, everyone must have gotten a free one or something, there are seriously loads.


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    #84
    E92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    Stekelly wrote: »
    My 2 safranes had 210k on them between them at time of purchase. I put 10k more or so on them and one is on carzone with another 10k on it.

    As I recall, at least one of them was a 2.5, which had a Volvo engine, and Volvos tend to be very good at the whole reliability thing:)!


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    #85
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    E92 wrote: »
    As I recall, at least one of them was a 2.5, which had a Volvo engine, and Volvos tend to be very good at the whole reliability thing:)!

    It was, but the 2.0 was a Renault engine and had 25k more miles.:)


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    #86
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,827 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Incidentally...
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1007/2cv.html


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    #87
    SV
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    Stekelly wrote: »
    Pah, mine did more than that without one (it was badly treated early on) It's now on 85k ish in the care of my mother without incident. My dads Laguna just passed the nct with flying colours at 112k (with nothing done since he got it 18months ago except carrying around 150kg of tools and being on its knees for the last 12k).

    My 2 safranes had 210k on them between them at time of purchase. I put 10k more or so on them and one is on carzone with another 10k on it.


    sorry yeah, mine has 88k on it now. :D

    excellent cars, just because you can't abuse them like you can tacky japanese cars doesn't mean much.


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    #88
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    as usual with boards a 6 page discussion about reliability totally ignoring the dynamic abilities of the cars in question.

    No one has mentioned the fact the French dominated the hot hatch arena for years with some brilliant handling, fun cars - no one was close to them with regard to chassis design providing super handling while all the while maintaining superb ride.

    I spent the last few weeks about Europe and was delighted to see the majority of folk still buy European - thank god their car knowledge isn't as low as this country's else they'd all be driving jap crap like us Irish all seem to be ( oh yea its coz they are reliable :rolleyes: )

    I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss all Jap as crap and all Euro as fantastic.
    306 GTI-6 was the last good French hatch, and the 306 HDI 3dr would be my choice any day over the Irish favourite Golf TDI from the same era.


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    #89
    SV
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    Biro wrote: »
    I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss all Jap as crap and all Euro as fantastic.
    306 GTI-6 was the last good French hatch, and the 306 HDI 3dr would be my choice any day over the Irish favourite Golf TDI from the same era.


    Clio 172 up through 197?

    I'd say they're very good french hatches and that's right up till 2008!


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    #90
    markos79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 303 ✭✭markos79


    ClioV6 wrote: »
    sorry yeah, mine has 88k on it now. :D

    excellent cars, just because you can't abuse them like you can tacky japanese cars doesn't mean much.


    cliov6,you obviously know nothing about cars if your saying a renault is better and less tacky than any japanese car, get a grip.french cars are pure ****e and thats the end of it.


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    #91
    elmolesto
    Registered Users Posts: 5,721 ✭✭✭elmolesto


    Citroen for me. The DS was the best.


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