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muincav

Hi all-
I am 44 years old with a bad back, 2 bad knees and Im about 2 stone overweight,,,but I would probably play better than Trimble as would most of the people reading this forum-
so anyone who fancies playing instead of Trimble (or should I say TREMBLE)
sign up HERE...:D

Sherifu

Funny.............not. Are you going to tell us why he's so bad? He didn't get any ball today because of the EOS gameplan.

rparkera

... EOS gameplan???? Do you have any proof that there was such a thing :-)

Sherifu

The EOS bashing thread is here This one is for Trimble apparently.

zAbbo

This thread is very indicative of some of the current Irish rugby supporters.

Trimble has been playing exceptional most of the season (at Outside Centre) but has been pushed to wing and inside centre under EOS.

The national teams problems are deep routed in the terrible management of rugby in Ireland in general.

gcgirl

In fairness Trimble was not in Eddie's game plan today it was an out and out forwards game really reminded me of way we played back in the mid 90's and boring as hell plus i wore my munster top today cos i knew Wales would do it and i'm very happy to see Gatland get one over that sly feck from Cork!

Stev_o

gcgirl wrote: »

In fairness Trimble was not in Eddie's game plan today it was an out and out forwards game really reminded me of way we played back in the mid 90's and boring as hell plus i wore my munster top today cos i knew Wales would do it and i'm very happy to see Gatland get one over that sly feck from Cork!

So you supported a Kiwi by wearing a Munster jersey which is also the province which Mr EOS played for?

muincav

Trimble is SH*TE and always has been (which is quite apt)
so dont go defending a totally crap player who cant tackle or should I say is to afraid to tackle and is not-NOT an International player!
Half the the time when he gets the ball, unless he has a clear route to the line he hasnt a clue what to do with the ball, and usualy lies down or gets rid of it in case he is tackled!
I love the Irish team, but he reminds me of Chris Morris in the soccer team,,everyone knew he was there, but no one knew why he was there! maybe because someone had an affection towards him-because it wasnt his skill....:mad:

Sherifu

Trimble is a good player when he gets the ball.

Oilrig

muincav wrote: »

Trimble is SH*TE and always has been (which is quite apt)
so dont go defending a totally crap player who cant tackle or should I say is to afraid to tackle and is not-NOT an International player!
Half the the time when he gets the ball, unless he has a clear route to the line he hasnt a clue what to do with the ball, and usualy lies down or gets rid of it in case he is tackled!
I love the Irish team, but he reminds me of Chris Morris in the soccer team,,everyone knew he was there, but no one knew why he was there! maybe because someone had an affection towards him-because it wasnt his skill....:mad:

I don't agree.

gcgirl

Stev_o wrote: »

So you supported a Kiwi by wearing a Munster jersey which is also the province which Mr EOS played for?

Well its red! And did Eddie play for Munster ?? i know he played for Garryowen but Munster?

muincav

Sherifu wrote: »

Trimble is a good player when he gets the ball.

Have you actually been watching Irish Rugby for the last 2 years or just reading forums from Ulster Rugby?

Pemba

zAbbo wrote: »

This thread is very indicative of some of the current Irish rugby supporters.

Trimble has been playing exceptional most of the season (at Outside Centre) but has been pushed to wing and inside centre under EOS.

The national teams problems are deep routed in the terrible management of rugby in Ireland in general.

This is spot on. Why the anti-Trimble sentiment. Wales had us on the ropes even with 14 men. There seems to be an element of ignorance creeping into the rugby support lately. Measured criticism over of gratuitous scapegoating would be welcome...:cool:

Sherifu

muincav wrote: »

Have you actually been watching Irish Rugby for the last 2 years or just reading forums from Ulster Rugby?

Yes i've been watching, no to Ulster rugby forum. He is a good player. He will only get better imo.

themont85

Trimble is a decent player when he has the ball, not world class or near it though. He can improve and should must improve his defensive play. I've never been impressed by this aspect of his game. I don't buy into this argument that its not his natural position, I was on the hill today and for most of the game Bod and Trimble were swapped over. He's a bit of an easy target on the team though, only and couple most notably Kearney actually played well.

davyjose

Sherifu wrote: »

Trimble is a good player when he gets the ball.

That's not enough for an Intenational Centre, I'm sorry.

RuggieBear

rational coherent arguments please. Not just "He's shite"

andyman

davyjose wrote: »

That's not enough for an Intenational Centre, I'm sorry.

You clearly haven't watched him playing at Centre for us in the last couple of games then. I'm really sick and tired of the stick he's undeservedly getting. He's being made a scapegoat because we haven't a triple crown when most Ireland supporters are ambitious in the first place. Yes he could have done a better job of Shane Williams but it's one mistake. He's been solid since he's filled in for D'Arcy.

davyjose

andyman wrote: »

You clearly haven't watched him playing at Centre for us in the last couple of games then. I'm really sick and tired of the stick he's undeservedly getting. He's being made a scapegoat because we haven't a triple crown when most Ireland supporters are ambitious in the first place. Yes he could have done a better job of Shane Williams but it's one mistake. He's been solid since he's filled in for D'Arcy.

Hang on a minute Pal. I just said that simply being good player when you have the ball is not enough for an international centre. Now at the end of the day had D'Arcy - a man of few tries for his country - been playing yesterday, we'd have won. That's something he needs to think about. You say "one mistake" as though that's ok - it was the mistake. Not good enough, so please don't try to dismiss my opinion by telling me I didn't watch him play, Ok?

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

Hang on a minute Pal. I just said that simply being good player when you have the ball is not enough for an international centre. Now at the end of the day had D'Arcy - a man of few tries for his country - been playing yesterday, we'd have won. That's something he needs to think about. You say "one mistake" as though that's ok - it was the mistake. Not good enough, so please don't try to dismiss my opinion by telling me I didn't watch him play, Ok?

lol. A few weeks ago everyone was saying D'arcy was playing terrible and needed too bed dropped. In fact people were quit happy he got injuried saying the break would do him good and EOS wouldnt of dropped him so its a blessign etc etc. Now we would of won the game if he was there?

chicoben

I'm still glad D'arcy isn't in the team, I think Trimble isn't bad and i don't blame him wholey for Irelands loss yesterday, even though he did **** up that tackle. I'm more worried about we played as a whole. If anyone shouldn't have been playing, it was POC. I don't care what anyone says, just cause he's a hero of the past, Doesn't mean when he's fit he should just walk back into the team, he needs to earn his place. But that doesn't happen with EOS. He sucks his WC 15 C*ck.

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote: »

lol. A few weeks ago everyone was saying D'arcy was playing terrible and needed too bed dropped. In fact people were quit happy he got injuried saying the break would do him good and EOS wouldnt of dropped him so its a blessign etc etc. Now we would of won the game if he was there?

Eh ... yes. What do you want me to say? I never turned on D'Arcy. There were calls for Trimble for months to play as a centre, and now the excuses are "oh he's not an inside centre". Well, D'Arcy is. Would he have missed that tackle? No! Would Eddie have had a different gameplan, using the backs more? Yes!, Would we have had a better backline? Hmmm, let me see ... YES! Would we have won? Yes!

Do you agree, Chucky?

Crash

Is D'arcy injured? answers on a postcard to me. The first person to say "yes, he is" wins a prize.

There's no point in comparing him to d'arcy in that game, because Gordan isn't available for selection. Compare to the next in line on that one - who? Paddy Wallace?

andyman

chicoben wrote: »

I'm still glad D'arcy isn't in the team, I think Trimble isn't bad and i don't blame him wholey for Irelands loss yesterday, even though he did **** up that tackle. I'm more worried about we played as a whole. If anyone shouldn't have been playing, it was POC. I don't care what anyone says, just cause he's a hero of the past, Doesn't mean when he's fit he should just walk back into the team, he needs to earn his place. But that doesn't happen with EOS. He sucks his WC 15 C*ck.

Bit of a flaw there.

EOS line-up pre World Cup

15. Dempsey
14. Horgan
13. BOD
12. D'Arcy
11. Hickie
10. ROG
9. Stringer
1. Horan
2. Best
3. Hayes
4. DOC
5. POC
6. Easterby
7. Wallace
8. Leamy

Line up yesterday

15. Kearney
14. Horgan
13. BOD
12. Trimble
11. Bowe
10. ROG
9. Reddan
1. Horan
2. Best
3. Hayes
4. DOC
5. POC
6. Leamy
7. Wallace
8. Heaslip

Theres 5 changes in there, albeit 2 are injuries but D'Arcy was always going to lose his place to Trimble eventually. And Kearney would have been starting ahead of Horgan had Murphy and Dempsey not been injured. EOS is willing to make the changes that we all want, but it's the team efforts on the day that aren't good enough.

I agree with you on the O'Connell point though. Best played his way back into the side and had a solid game yesterday. MOD did little wrong to warrant him being dropped.

quagmire69

andyman wrote: »

Theres 5 changes in there, albeit 2 are injuries but D'Arcy was always going to lose his place to Trimble eventually. And Kearney would have been starting ahead of Horgan had Murphy and Dempsey not been injured. EOS is willing to make the changes that we all want, but it's the team efforts on the day that aren't good enough.

I agree with you on the O'Connell point though. Best played his way back into the side and had a solid game yesterday. MOD did little wrong to warrant him being dropped.

First off, i agree with you that trimble is taking a bit too much flak here and should not be made a scapegoat.

Apart from that, very few people would say it was inevitable that trimble was going to replace darcy regardless of injury. Trimble has a hell of a lot to improve on before he is an international class centre. Fitzgerald and wallace are far better options at the moment.

And as for EOS being willing to make changes, every single backline change has been due to injury/retirement.

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

Eh ... yes. What do you want me to say? I never turned on D'Arcy. There were calls for Trimble for months to play as a centre, and now the excuses are "oh he's not an inside centre". Well, D'Arcy is. Would he have missed that tackle? No! Would Eddie have had a different gameplan, using the backs more? Yes!, Would we have had a better backline? Hmmm, let me see ... YES! Would we have won? Yes!

Do you agree, Chucky?

No, i dont.

muincav

A quote from Andrew Trimble in the Belfast Telegraph last week-

"Trimble, however, believes this week's mind games between the two coaches are only of importance to the media."I would say the thing about the coaches is more of a media thing. It's not going to affect us," said the Ulster star. "I'm not going to be influenced in making a tackle just because Warren Gatland is their coach."

Ah maybe thats why he missed the tackle on Man Mountain Shane Williams!:cool:

Diamondmaker

This does not seem to hve been discussed.

again many are getting what they wish, me for one also agree that BOD has served his time as Capatin. Most dissaponitingly is he served as the most succesful ever and now along with his 13 skills his capatincy is also legitimatiey being questioned.

With POC not being at the races he should not get it, barely should be in the team.

ROG would seem the more obvious choice..

ANy other opionins of where it should go?

muincav

Diamondmaker wrote: »

This does not seem to hve been discussed.

again many are getting what they wish, me for one also agree that BOD has served his time as Capatin. Most dissaponitingly is he served as the most succesful ever and now along with his 13 skills his capatincy is also legitimatiey being questioned.

With POC not being at the races he should not get it, barely should be in the team.

ROG would seem the more obvious choice..

ANy other opionins of where it should go?

I have to agree thar ROG is probably the most obvious choice and would be my choice too-

Stev_o

Diamondmaker wrote: »

This does not seem to hve been discussed.

again many are getting what they wish, me for one also agree that BOD has served his time as Capatin. Most dissaponitingly is he served as the most succesful ever and now along with his 13 skills his capatincy is also legitimatiey being questioned.

With POC not being at the races he should not get it, barely should be in the team.

ROG would seem the more obvious choice..

ANy other opionins of where it should go?

It should go to ROG but if it does i can imagine a certain lot of people will cry "Munster conspiracy"

daveyrovers

I'm not leinster Ulster or anti-Munster but how can people say Trimble and BOD played bad?

Looking at the stats, it says BOD got two passes in the whole game (the first of which was on 53 mins). He was well marked on both occasions and made little to no ground. He didn't miss a tackle all game and managed one turnover.

ROG attempted 8 tackles and completed 2, do you really want a captain that sets that type of an example.

chicoben

andyman wrote: »

Bit of a flaw there.

EOS line-up pre World Cup

15. Dempsey
14. Horgan
13. BOD
12. D'Arcy
11. Hickie
10. ROG
9. Stringer
1. Horan
2. Best
3. Hayes
4. DOC
5. POC
6. Easterby
7. Wallace
8. Leamy

Line up yesterday

15. Kearney
14. Horgan
13. BOD
12. Trimble
11. Bowe
10. ROG
9. Reddan
1. Horan
2. Best
3. Hayes
4. DOC
5. POC
6. Leamy
7. Wallace
8. Heaslip

Theres 5 changes in there, albeit 2 are injuries but D'Arcy was always going to lose his place to Trimble eventually. And Kearney would have been starting ahead of Horgan had Murphy and Dempsey not been injured. EOS is willing to make the changes that we all want, but it's the team efforts on the day that aren't good enough.

I agree with you on the O'Connell point though. Best played his way back into the side and had a solid game yesterday. MOD did little wrong to warrant him being dropped.

Point taken, but I wasn't referring to the xv who were starting, I was just saying that O' Connell shouldn't have just walked back into the team.

Ulstermell0

trimble misses one tackle on the best/quickest winger in the 6N and all of a sudden he's s****? catch a grip.

i think some Ireland fans think the team should just be made up of munster 1-10 and Lienster 11-15.

trimble had an ok game - If i ever see Bernard Jackass in an Ireland shirt again I think i'll cry. that idiotic penalty when we were only one point down was what lost us that game.

marco_syco

1. Shane Williams is dam hard to tackle, trimble wasn't the only player who missed him yesterday i saw many a forward not to mention bowe get the run around a few times. Taller people find it tricky to get a hold of him without high tackling.
2. Darcy would probly have missed him too and on average id say trimble is a much stronger defender than him, BODs fantastic defense always made darcy look good.
3.ROG is the likely choice, theres very few options. My only real extremely unlikely choice would be Jamie Heaslip, (we saw how good Ryan Jones has been for Wales) his form has been the best of any player this 6nations but still he's very inexperienced and I haven't a huge amount of knowledge on how vocal he is.

Snickers Man

Trimble's a good centre. He did very well against Scotland. Also, he should have been MOM against South Africa when we tanked them just over a year ago. He had a great game then.

I would have no problem with him playing in the centre against England. I don't want to see Horgan back in the centre though. He ain't a centre no more.

Jigsaw

Ulstermell0 wrote: »

trimble misses one tackle on the best/quickest winger in the 6N and all of a sudden he's s****? catch a grip.

i think some Ireland fans think the team should just be made up of munster 1-10 and Lienster 11-15.

trimble had an ok game - If i ever see Bernard Jackass in an Ireland shirt again I think i'll cry. that idiotic penalty when we were only one point down was what lost us that game.

This is sense. Something that the original post demonstrated a distinct lack of.

electric69

Ulstermell0 wrote: »

trimble misses one tackle on the best/quickest winger in the 6N and all of a sudden he's s****? catch a grip.

i think some Ireland fans think the team should just be made up of munster 1-10 and Lienster 11-15.

trimble had an ok game - If i ever see Bernard Jackass in an Ireland shirt again I think i'll cry. that idiotic penalty when we were only one point down was what lost us that game.

Exactly. Some people need to open their eyes when they are watching the matches for a change. Jackman.......why?...completly pointless, idiotic thing to do to a player with 2 hands up in the air.

GreeBo

marco_syco wrote: »

1. Shane Williams is dam hard to tackle, trimble wasn't the only player who missed him yesterday i saw many a forward not to mention bowe get the run around a few times. Taller people find it tricky to get a hold of him without high tackling.
2. Darcy would probly have missed him too and on average id say trimble is a much stronger defender than him, BODs fantastic defense always made darcy look good.
3.ROG is the likely choice, theres very few options. My only real extremely unlikely choice would be Jamie Heaslip, (we saw how good Ryan Jones has been for Wales) his form has been the best of any player this 6nations but still he's very inexperienced and I haven't a huge amount of knowledge on how vocal he is.

Hang on a sec, Williams didnt run around Trimble, he handed him off. Trimble had his hands on him and Williams just pushed him away. Whats Trimble going to do against either of Englands wings next week? Bribe them to fall over?

Stev_o

GreeBo wrote: »

Hang on a sec, Williams didnt run around Trimble, he handed him off. Trimble had his hands on him and Williams just pushed him away. Whats Trimble going to do against either of Englands wings next week? Bribe them to fall over?

*sigh*

Williams got him on the angle and handed him off. Trimble's body was angled downwards towards Williams all Shane had to do was push up and like a spring he's gone.

Seriously people think its easy to tackle Williams shows how much they know :rolleyes:

GreeBo

Stev_o wrote: »

*sigh*

Williams got him on the angle and handed him off. Trimble's body was angled downwards towards Williams all Shane had to do was push up and like a spring he's gone.

Seriously people think its easy to tackle Williams shows how much they know :rolleyes:

*sigh*
You tackle someone high for 2 reasons
1) you are trying to prevent them from offloading
2) you are defending your line

If you want to bring someone to ground you take their legs.
Why was Trimble trying to tackle him high?
Because he doesnt know how to tackle a man to take him down.
Too many players are going for this stupid NFL tackle when whats needed is to stop the man. Take his legs and he stops running. Simple As.


As for "got him on the angle" WTF did Trimble think Williams was going to do? Stop and wait to get hit?

It was a pathetic, badly placed attempt at "the modern tackle"

Stev_o wrote: »

shows how much they know

tackle him much yourself do you?

*sigh* x 10 + 2 extra :rolleyes:

Otacon

GreeBo wrote: »

Why was Trimble trying to tackle him high?
Because he doesnt know how to tackle a man to take him down.

I'm afraid here is where you lose me... Trimble has been excellent defensively for a man with a relatively light build. He made one mistake and people immediately choose him as the person to blame.

And please don't say it was THE mistake cos that honour belongs to Jackman.

NotWormBoy

Otacon wrote: »

He made one mistake and people immediately choose him as the person to blame.

Well, the only other person you can really blame for that try was Shane Williams, in fairness.

Though Trimble as you say has been pretty decent in defense, and attack, for a while now; dropping him for a missed tackle, even if it led to a try is a bit knee jerk. Especially now that BOD is out.

GreeBo

Otacon wrote: »

I'm afraid here is where you lose me... Trimble has been excellent defensively for a man with a relatively light build. He made one mistake and people immediately choose him as the person to blame.

And please don't say it was THE mistake cos that honour belongs to Jackman.

Do you not agree that there are 2 types of tackle for 2 different situations?
I dont think I have ever seen Trimble take a guy low and hard and bring him down (but maybe I just dont remember)

Sure he has a relatively light build, but thats not my fault its his!
You also dont need to be massive to take a guys legs, you do need to be big to wrap him up though. If he is too light to do his job then he shouldnt be there. Shaggy is a big guy and often has poor tackle attempts, same for Lomu. Then you get guys like Wilko who will hit anything and pretty much take it down.

I dont think there was "THE" mistake, Jackman was just stupid.

Otacon

GreeBo wrote: »

Do you not agree that there are 2 types of tackle for 2 different situations?
I dont think I have ever seen Trimble take a guy low and hard and bring him down (but maybe I just dont remember)

I do agree that there is a tackle for every situation and as I have already said, I do believe it was a mistake on Trimble's part. But it is not fair to critcise his tackling overall after one mistake when through the tournament, he has been outstanding defensively.

anonymous_joe

I don't think it's a good idea to blame either Trimble or Jackman as some seem inclined to.

Trimble messed up a tackle against Shane Williams. Or to put it another way, one of, if not the, trickiest wingers in the world got by someone. Never happened before, eh?

As for Jackman, he was f*cking stupid, of course he was, but he didn't lose the game. The game had been lost long before he came on to the pitch. Our problems are related to the tactics employed by the coach and the way they were implemented by the players.

The inability to shift to another style of play I'd attribute to management. Reddan and O'Gara are our best half-backs, but both of 'em were awful. Reddan's distribution was weak, and he wasted a lot of possession with quick taps and quick kicks. Sometimes that's brilliant, always? Wasteful. O'Gara was awful, scared, unwilling to play, unable to hold his channel and bloody awful in his distribution.

Someone said O'Driscoll hadn't received a pass until well into the second half? That's unacceptable. When you've good backs you're not meant to ignore them, especially when your forwards are putting in a weak, lumbering display.

redved

daveyrovers wrote: »

I'm not leinster Ulster or anti-Munster but how can people say Trimble and BOD played bad?

Looking at the stats, it says BOD got two passes in the whole game (the first of which was on 53 mins). He was well marked on both occasions and made little to no ground. He didn't miss a tackle all game and managed one turnover.

ROG attempted 8 tackles and completed 2, do you really want a captain that sets that type of an example.

Can you back that up about O'Gara missing 6 from 8 tackles. The only stats I can find is on Trimble. Missed two tackles

http://www.irishrugby.ie/10735_11279.php


Most Missed Tackles:

3 - Gavin Henson
2 - Gethin Jenkins, Andrew Trimble
1 - Adam Jones, Lee Byrne

GreeBo

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Trimble messed up a tackle against Shane Williams. Or to put it another way, one of, if not the, trickiest wingers in the world got by someone. Never happened before, eh?

But you cant just put it that way. That totally hides the facts.
Its not like he burned him on the outside, Trimble had his hands on him and Williams pushed him away.
Getting burned by a faster player or getting side stepepd, while not great, is part and parcel of the game, getting bullied by the smallest guy on the pitch is not.

anonymous_joe

I know that, but at the end of the day, Trimble's still fairly young and inexperienced. He's bound to make mistakes. He is not, and probably won't ever be as good as O'Driscoll in terms of his defensive abilities, you can't expect perfection.

Do we have any other decent centres?

Munster have a brace of New Zealanders, Connacht are sadly not good enough, Leinster are injured and off form and Ulster have Trimble already...

GreeBo

anonymous_joe wrote: »

I know that, but at the end of the day, Trimble's still fairly young and inexperienced. He's bound to make mistakes. He is not, and probably won't ever be as good as O'Driscoll in terms of his defensive abilities, you can't expect perfection.

and thats great, but either we are blooding new players or we are not.
Right now we seem to fire our backs out any old way and see what happens, that might work for France or NZ but it doesnt work for us.

Trimble was horribly exposed on the wing against France, his defensive positioning/choices were poor to say the least. So either he is not being taught how to play in this position or he is and he just doesnt cut the mustard.

Sorry, but he just seems to be a bit too much huff and puff without the results.

anonymous_joe

Well I think he's improved a lot since he first started playing international rugby.

Honest question though, can you name a replacement?

Sadly, for all his faults, with D'arcy and O'Driscoll out, who else out there is a centre and is Irish?

NotWormBoy

Kevin Maggs?