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This Guy Is Incredible
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10-03-2008 3:42am#1One of the best youtube videos ive ever seen. Thankfully mass Islamic immigration hasn't affected our civil rights, despite that ridiculous Sikh Gardai story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA0
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Interesting..and a lot of it I think is true in places,but for me h equates Radical Islam to Islam too often,and gives examples like mutilating daughters/wife beating, which are simply stupid.
I think the core of his argument is good,he just needs to lose the anger....but I guess,if he lost the anger,he wouldn't be listened to/be the most viewed video on youtube...it's a sad world we live in..0 -
this guy is gonna be the next target
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He does go a little bit too far but at the same time, the European pre-occuopation on blaming America for everything and appeasing Islam for anything is very true. I think Ireland is quite sheltered in that respect as compared to some of the major cities in Europe, our immigrants seem to make a genuine effort to adapt and assimilate to our culture with a minimum of fuss.
Again today we see protests in Afghanistan and the burning of Dutch and Danish flags. That just is not a rational response of a religion of "peace". Who cared about Jesus shooting tons of people in South Park? Nobody, and if they did they certainly didnt burn 3 embassies and kill over 100 poeple. Now of course is that Afgahan viewpoint is different to a lot of more progressive Muslim countries (Indonesia, Turkey) BUT these progressive countries never make a statement of condemnation about the reactions, which is why people tend to consider the reaction as all-encompassing.
I really do wish we'd just show some backbone though. I was in the airport a few weeks ago showing my passport and the woman across from me was wearing a full burqa, with only her eyes showing as she showed her identification. Of course, nothing else happened. It's just as "culturally insensitive" to ask someone to remove a religious garment that obscures the face as it would be to ask me the same if I were wearing a motorcylce helmet as I stood in the queue. Which is to say, it isnt.
There are tons of stories about this kind of appeasement every day, even just across the pond in Britain. Teachers whose kids can read their lips because of the burqa, student nurses who refuse to show their arms to men during their work, an ICM poll stating 40% of Brit Muslims want sharia law etc etc. This isnt some anecdotal, War on Christmas-Fox News bull, this really is happening, and its only happening in Europe.
Can we please just address this before it gets out of hand? He is absolutely right that multiculturism has thought us to think one thing but be afraid to say it, and that cultural relativism is an insult to the men and women who died to preserve our right to freedom of speech. Multiculturism is a uni-cultural phenomenom that only exists in progressive Western cultures. Which tells you that the belief that all cultures are equal does not exist in Islam, why is why its most extreme adherents are perpetually offended by us0 -
Another commentary from a related video. Makes some sense IMO. Aparently there was a plot to murder the cartoonist behind the Danish cartoons (sound familiar?) in February, and out of support, 17 Danish newspapers decided to reprint the bomb-in-a-turban cartoon. Seems to me that if the cartoonist had a point originally, that point has been made by the ensuing madness and most recent attempt on his/her life. Along with Salman Rushdie, Theo Van Gogh etc. And fair dues to the Danish, they made their point clear too - freedom of speech is non-negotiable.
Here's the story of a Canadian newspaper editor publishes the cartoons and gets hauled up before a Canadian Human Rights Commission by a radical Imam.
Western secular values and Islamic hardlines are not compatible. And this is clear by the numerous attempts to question radical Islam or the role of Muslims in our society, either through legal action like in Canada, or through the acts of terrorism as mentioned above.0 -
You are aware that Muslims and Sikhs are not the same, aren't you?speedboatchase wrote: »Thankfully mass Islamic immigration hasn't affected our civil rights, despite that ridiculous Sikh Gardai story:
What "ridiculous" story are you referring to - the one about the Sikh who was refused permission to wear his turban with his uniform?
What mass Islamic immigration are you referring to? According to the 2006 census, there were only about 32,000 Muslims in Ireland, 9,700 of whom were Irish.
:rolleyes:speedboatchase wrote: »...an ICM poll stating 40% of Brit Muslims want sharia law...
I'd love to see your source for that.0 -
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And Irish law isn’t currently influenced by the views of an ex-nazi bigot?0
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He puts his points across concisely and with clarity. He says what many believe but would never dare say publicly or outside a group of friends who have mutual viewpoints. However, he does not put forward any proposals to deal with the extremists or indeed intregration of non-European cultures into European ideals, if such ideals exist. It is not by chance that the speaker was English. They have gone so far down the road of multi-culturalism that they seemed to be faced with a cultural vacuum. One of their most cherished ideals, freedom of speech, is so circumscribed by PCism that open and honest debate is almost impossible. We in Ireland should pay attention as it is only a matter of time before we face such dilemmas.
Imo, the push for imported cheap labour is the root cause of alot of the problems. Our open door immigration policy was geared solely to this end without thought to the ramifications. An entire multi-cultural industry has sprung up to support the business community's desire for cheap labour. Profit and political correctness make a potent force. Only recently has the UK adopted an Australian type points system to attract those workers it needs while trying to exclude waves of unskilled labour. What concerns me about Ireland is that we now have a political culture where no one has responsibility for events or policies and therefore no one will take the matter in hand. Is our immigration policy going to be left up to the luck of Irish scenario? If it works out ok, grand. If not, oh well, ****e happens.0 -
Did anyone see the fascinating documentary on BBC2 the other day about Enoch Powell and his 'Rivers of Blood' speech? The point was made in the film that Powell's views, which were strongly backed at the time, were put forward in far too extreme and racist a manner. He polarised viewpoints and de-legitimised anti-immigration and more or less condemned Britain to unbridled and unchallenged multiculturalism.
His initial views were wrong, race did not become an issue. But his predictions of social segregation were spot-on and a certain amount of conflict has arisen from multiculturalism.
My main point is that its ridiculous to say that multiculturalism was the tool of the selfish business industry, as if there was no social or ideological background to multiculturalism.0 -
I have no problem whatsoever with immigration. Everyone is entitled to seek the best life possible for themselves. However, I do not hold the view that multi-culturalism is some panacea as it it portrayed in western media, and its main motivation is cheap labour. Obviously, there are extreme views of this issue. It just so happens that if anyone brings the topic up in anything less than a salubrious light then extreme examples of xenophobia are immediately trotted out to portray the debate as a racist affair.
In fact racism is a bit more complicated than often portrayed. While working in Nelson Mandela house in Camberwell in the early 90's, I was the only non-black person in the office. Only becuase it was found out that I was a catholic from the north did I become accepted. However, if I wanted a drink at the bar in some establishments, I had to be escorted for fear I would not be served or attacked for being white. While much discussion can be generated to why these attitudes existed, they did exist. I'm led to believe that as more integration into british society has taken place that this atmosphere is less likely to occur today.
All said, this is a debate that should be discussed in public without recourse to xenophobic extremist examples from any side which only serve to derail an otherwise important topic in Europe today.0 -
A very well made youtube vid....but towards the end I think he went a lil ott.
Islam as a faith hasnt evolved as Christianity has over the centuries....and thats its root problem.
300 years ago we burned people at the stake for believing them to be witches or warlocks...we dont do this anymore becasue our faith has evolved and matured.
Pat says islam is inferior to western culture...Id say its immature compared to western culture.0 -
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Brilliant video. He even has a good sense of humour about it. He does go a touch too far with some of it but I do agree with the actual principles he is promoting.0
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And the "west" has had it's fair share of holding back development of moderate islamist culture. Look at the whole Iran / BP / Shah affair, it really set the country back. In Saudi Western companies and politicians court the backward regime in place.Pat says islam is inferior to western culture...Id say its immature compared to western culture.
But Islams also has to question itself, why are values regarding women, sexuality and race/religous hate so tolerated by mainstream muslim?
There is an element of danger in questioning the unquestionable I guess.
I also feel Islam is hijacked by power hungry individuals who use it as a vehicle to preach their own hate, and the dregs of muslim society are prepared to listen to this foulness. And, as above the West supports this, as long as there is money / security in it.
But MORE worrying is how some second / third generation muslims we would have expected to be integrated now are part of huge ghettoes in europe where they practice a weird mix of traditional muslim values and illegality justified through interpretations of the Koran.
There are many horrific cases where muslim rape gangs prey on western girls from Sweden / denmark / france / australia. The lethargic reaction to these crimes by the muslim society reflects poorly on them.0 -
Are they?Tea drinker wrote: »...why are values regarding women, sexuality and race/religous hate so tolerated by mainstream muslim?
That is certainly true, Saudi Arabia being a prime example.Tea drinker wrote: »I also feel Islam is hijacked by power hungry individuals who use it as a vehicle to preach their own hate...
George W. has also done his bit for hijacking religion.
This is all a bit general. What percentage of 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims are not integrating? What countries are their parents/grandparents from?Tea drinker wrote: »But MORE worrying is how some second / third generation muslims we would have expected to be integrated now are part of huge ghettoes in europe where they practice a weird mix of traditional muslim values and illegality justified through interpretations of the Koran.
Could you share some of these cases?Tea drinker wrote: »There are many horrific cases where muslim rape gangs prey on western girls from Sweden / denmark / france / australia. The lethargic reaction to these crimes by the muslim society reflects poorly on them.0 -
"Can you share some of these cases ?"
Hard to believe you're unaware of the muslim gang which gangraped numerous Australian Women in 2006. Most shocking aspect was the Muslim response :
"Sydney-based Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali also alluded to the infamous Sydney gang rapes, suggesting the attackers were not entirely to blame.
While not specifically referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilali said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years".
"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he asked.
Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?
"The uncovered meat is the problem."
The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men. "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=412697&in_page_id=17700 -
Yeah, look at Pat Condell's list of videos - it's replete with examples of Islamofascism creeping into our society.0
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"Can you share some of these cases ?"
Hard to believe you're unaware of the muslim gang which gangraped numerous Australian Women in 2006. Most shocking aspect was the Muslim response :
"Sydney-based Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali also alluded to the infamous Sydney gang rapes, suggesting the attackers were not entirely to blame.
While not specifically referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilali said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years".
"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he asked.
Sheik Hilali said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?
"The uncovered meat is the problem."
The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men. "
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=412697&in_page_id=1770
And that sums up the total stupidity of the religion. :mad:0 -
I never said I was. I believe you are referring to the gang led by Bilal Skaf? Are you saying that ALL Lebanese-Australians are potential rapists (even the 60% who are Christian)?Hard to believe you're unaware of the muslim gang which gangraped numerous Australian Women in 2006.
It wasn't a "Muslim response", it was A response from a complete idiot.Most shocking aspect was the Muslim response0 -
"Are you saying that ALL Lebanese-Australians are potential rapists (even the 60% who are Christian)?"
No, Are you ?
The fact remains that muslims have a lack of respect towards western women.
I'll let the Aussies have the last word
"So now we know the facts, straight from the Supreme Court, that a group of Lebanese Muslim gang rapists from south-western Sydney hunted their victims on the basis of their ethnicity and subjected them to hours of degrading, dehumanising torture. The young women, and girls as young as 14, were "sluts" and "Aussie pigs", the rapists said. So now that some of the perpetrators are in jail, will those people who cried racism and media "sensationalism" hang their heads in shame? "
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/13/1026185124700.html0 -
So what's your point?No, Are you ?
My point is that this was a crime committed by a certain group of scumbags who have since received their prison sentences. By introducing race/religion into the coverage, the Lebanese community in Australia is being unfairly tarnished. Exactly the same thing would have happened if the rapists were Aborigine, i.e. the media would have played the race card.
That's not a fact at all, that's just your prejudiced opinion.The fact remains that muslims have a lack of respect towards western women.
You mean you'll let AN Aussie have the last word; Miranda Devine? Is that the best you can do? How does her opinion change anything?I'll let the Aussies have the last word0 -
Sorry, think you're getting a bit confused.
You asked a previous poster to highlight cases where "muslim rape gangs prey on western girls"
I provided a very famous one.
You asked me was I "saying that ALL Lebanese-Australians are potential rapists (even the 60% who are Christian)?"
I said no.
Then you ask me what my point is.
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You ask for facts / stats etc , then when the real world intrudes into your little fantasy, you come up with rubbish like "Miranda Devine? Is that the best you can do? How does her opinion change anything? "
Race was an issue here. That is what was reported in the Australian media .......oh but I forgot.....they're all racists right ?0 -
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"My point is that this was a crime committed by a certain group of scumbags who have since received their prison sentences. By introducing race/religion into the coverage, the Lebanese community in Australia is being unfairly tarnished. Exactly the same thing would have happened if the rapists were Aborigine, i.e. the media would have played the race card."
Apparently (and unfortunately for your theory) the people who played the 'race card' were the rapists themselves. The judge originally played this down, but
"one of the victims complained her victim impact statement had been "censored" of any "ethnic" references by prosecutors intent on a plea bargain. She was convinced she was raped because of her ethnicity. "You deserve it because you're an Australian," the rapists told her during the five-hour attack.
"I looked in his eyes. I had never seen such indifference," one 18-year-old victim, codenamed Miss C, told the court, remembering one of the 14 men who called her "Aussie pig", gang raped her 25 times over a six-hour period in Bankstown and Chullora, and then turned a hose on her. "I'm going to f*** you Leb style," he said. "
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/13/1026185124700.html
Maybe you can dismiss Miss C as well, after all, she's probably a bit prejudiced.0 -
Actually, I asked Tea drinker to identify some of the "many horrific cases where muslim rape gangs prey on western girls", as he put it. You indeed identified ONE case, where it is THOUGHT that the perpetrators are Muslim; most have not been identified as they were under 18 at the time of the crime(s). Considering that only 40% of Lebanese Australians are Muslim, there is a strong possibility that some (if not most) of the rapists were non-Muslim.You asked a previous poster to highlight cases where "muslim rape gangs prey on western girls"
I provided a very famous one.
Yes I did ask for facts and statistics and you provided me with neither; you provided me with an OPINION, which counts for little, particularly considering Devine's reputation.You ask for facts / stats etc , then when the real world intrudes into your little fantasy, you come up with rubbish like "Miranda Devine? Is that the best you can do? How does her opinion change anything? "
So the rapists were racist? So what?Apparently (and unfortunately for your theory) the people who played the 'race card' were the rapists themselves.
I'm talking about tarnishing others of the same religion or ethnicity as the perpetrators of a crime; in this case, Lebanese-Australians.0 -
"Thought that they were muslim ?"
You're farcical at this stage - if they weren't muslims, why was the muslim spokesperson making his comments about meat etc. ?
If you want another case,
"It was an act of "great heinousness" - the betrayal of trust in which four brothers and another man brutally gang raped two teenage girls they had befriended a week earlier.
As sexual assault crimes go, this was the worst in its category, Justice Brian Sully told the NSW Supreme Court yesterday.
Even more disturbing was that the brothers maintained their innocence throughout the trial, despite overwhelming evidence, insisting that they were victims of an anti-Muslim conspiracy and a police set-up.
Rehabilitation would be problematic: they were in "total denial" of the offences, according to a psychologist's report quoted by the judge, and had no remorse."
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/22/1082616263798.html
And to clarify : you stated
"My point is that this was a crime committed by a certain group of scumbags who have since received their prison sentences. By introducing race/religion into the coverage, the Lebanese community in Australia is being unfairly tarnished. Exactly the same thing would have happened if the rapists were Aborigine, i.e. the media would have played the race card."
To which I quoted one of the victims
"She was convinced she was raped because of her ethnicity. "You deserve it because you're an Australian," the rapists told her during the five-hour attack."
Are you prepared to admit that you are wrong ?
Or are you simply going to shift the goalposts constantly ?0 -
I said that the religion of most of the rapists in this particular case is not known; nothing farcical about that.You're farcical at this stage - if they weren't muslims, why was the muslim spokesperson making his comments about meat etc. ?
As for Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, I've already said that he's an idiot, but I'm not sure his comments (made in 2006) referred directly to the case of Skaf (sentenced in 2002); I think he was speaking generally.
What exactly am I wrong about? I have said that it is unfair to tarnish the Lebanese-Australian community based on the actions of Skaf - is this wrong? I have also implied that the race of a rapist is irrelevant in the context of media coverage of the crime - is this wrong? Do you think that certain races should be treated differently in courts?Are you prepared to admit that you are wrong ?
My point in all this is that sexual assault is a serious problem in Australia, as it is in many other Western countries, including Ireland, and it is not something that is exclusive to Muslim cultures; take for example this survey:
Are you going to tell me that all (or even most of the) 316 were Muslim?998 men aged 14 - 26 completed a questionnaire about their beliefs related to heterosexual acquaintance rape in 11 scenarios. 316 young men (31.7%) agreed that it was OK for a male to force a female to have sex in one or more of the scenarios.0 -
rowlandbrowner wrote: »And Irish law isn’t currently influenced by the views of an ex-nazi bigot?
Who may that be?:eek:0 -
"As for Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, I've already said that he's an idiot"
Nice trick - defending the muslims while dismissing their leader & spokesperson as a random idiot.
"Sheikh Taj El-Din Hamid Hilaly (Arabic: تاج الدين الهلالي; born Egypt c. 1941), is an Imam of the Lakemba Mosque[1] in Sydney and an Australian Sunni Muslim leader.[2] The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils appointed him Mufti of Australia in 1988."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_El-Din_Hilaly
Other views expressed by this 21st century thinker :
"On 8 January 2007 the Hilaly appeared on an Egyptian television program. He made a number of comments that sparked criticism in Australia, including the following:
British and Irish settlers arrived in Australia as convicts. Muslims paid for their own tickets, and so have more right to Australia
Prison sentences handed down to Lebanese-Australian Muslims for the Sydney gang rapes were excessive and influenced by the September 11, 2001 attacks in the U.S.
Western people, especially the English race, are the biggest liars and oppressors.
Hilaly also condemned the level of rights awarded to homosexuals in Australia, stating "We have Christian churches which allow people of the same gender to marry" and "I understand the mentality of the West and especially the Australian mentality and I understand that the Australian law guarantees freedoms to the point of insanity." "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_El-Din_Hilaly
Of course, all of this has nothing to do with those nice muslims, a complete misunderstanding......they must have been shocked & outraged at his comments re those australian girls.........wait.........what were the sanctions they imposed on him after his outburst ? .........................NOTHING ? Surely not.
Following further scandals.....
"The Council of Islamic Jurisprudence and Research reappointed Hilaly as Grand Mufti on 10 June 2007, however, he declined the position, thereby ending his tumultuous term in office."
It's not just Australia : From CNN
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/24/i_ins.00.html
"Samira Bellil wasn't asking for trouble, but trouble came to her. She's the granddaughter of Algerian immigrants and she's written a book about surviving the hell of the Parish ghettos.
SAMIRA BELLIL, AUTHOR (through translator): I was gang raped by three people I knew and I couldn't say anything because in my culture your family is dishonored if you lose your virginity, so I kept quiet and the rapes continued.
The next time I was pulled off the commuter train and no one lifted a finger to help me.
AMANPOUR (on camera): You were on a train and not one passenger did anything to help you?
BELLIL (through translator): No. Everybody turned their head away. They were all looking out of the window.
AMANPOUR (voice-over): When Samira's family discovered that she had been raped, they weren't sympathetic. They threw her out onto the streets. But she since discovered that hers was not the only case.
BELLIL (through translator): There was a trial in Lille where a 13- year-old girl was gang raped by 80 men. Yes. Sometimes it's 80 or 50 or 10. It's absolutely terrible.
In the town of Argenteuil it was horrible. A young woman was raped in a school.
AMANPOUR: In a school?
BELLIL (through translator): Yes. In a school.
AMANPOUR: And nobody knew? Not a student? Not a teacher?
BELLIL (through translator): Of course everybody knew. But they were so afraid of these young men that they preferred to close their eyes. That's the price of peace in the ghettos.
AMANPOUR (voice-over): When the verdicts came down in this case, the courthouse turned into a madhouse. 18 teenagers were convicted of raping a 15-year-old girl over a two-month period. But what really shocked France was how the mothers of those boys reacted.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): You call this justice? Seven years in prison for some oral sex."0 -
What exactly am I wrong about? I have said that it is unfair to tarnish the Lebanese-Australian community based on the actions of Skaf
bob2000 never referred to the Lebanese-Australian community. He referred to "muslim rape gangs" preying on Australian women [amongst others], and the "lethargic reaction to these crimes by the muslim society".
You challenged him on this as you had forgotten or never heard of the international outrage over the immans comments [actually IIRC, he is/was the highest muslim religious authority in Australia so not a lone nut by any means]. He cited the case. You then introduced a strawman about the Lebanese-Australian community and tried to pretend bob2000 had said something he hadnt.
Please - Stop. Its wasting everyones time and derailing the thread. There will be other threads.
For the record, I find the term "muslim rape gangs" a little OTT, but given the case it seems to fit at least as well as "white racists" would in describing the criminals involved in a racial hate attack. Practically by definition individuals who commit rape come loaded down with hatred or contempt for women as actual people or individuals.
If the head of the Australian muslim community is on record with such disgusting and despicable attitudes to women as revealed in the quotes above - well then, its easy to see where the gang in question might have learnt that hate and contempt for women who werent virtuous/enslaved, prisoners in their own home, hidden under a hijab. Certainly, if they listened to his teachings theyd find nothing that would tell them they were wrong to hold women as objects and not people, and from the comments that were reported a lot of the root for their contempt for their victims was based on the values instilled in them regarding the proper place of women.
That might make for uncomfortable reading as we are conditioned to view the problem as always being us somehow. Its indirect racism, the assumption that the white mans burden can never be laid down - that all other cultures and peoples are incapable of being held responsible. If somethings wrong, its because we didnt fix it.
Unfortunately for that popular school of "radical" student thinking, the problem IS with the influential thinkers and representitives of the muslim community who think theyre living in Saudia Arabia - in the 11th century for good measure. They are religious bigots and fanatics, but are given a free ride on the basis of their minority status. The rights of muslim citizens in Europe are traded over to these fanatics [ as is always the case, political leaders make deals with the extremists, the moderates get ignored] and their vision of what European islam should be.
This is an extremely dangerous path. Instead of standing up for the rights of all citizens equally, the state abandons its citizens to social repression on the basis that theyre "not really Irish" anyhow. Sure, they make up some crap about respecting minority cultures, but essentially theyre happy to reinforce the social ghettoisation of muslims because theyre muslim and theyve basically handed muslim social policy over to a group of 11th century bigots.
Now I know someone will say - well "whatabout....whoever...Paisley, He was a dangerous bigot, so this isnt a muslim problem - its us, were the problem". I know this, well because its fairly predicatable tbh given the way people are conditioned in their thinking.
True, Paisley was a dangerous bigot. He still is. That doesnt change the reality that the muslim world in the midst of an extreme period of change. Its diaspora is spreading across the world, its liberalising, and the reactionaries - the bigots, the religious police, the ultra-conservitives are fighting back tooth and nail to maintain their authority and the repression of fully 50% of the muslim world.
As a liberal, I would sure prefer to see muslims across the world being able to enjoy the same rights as me with regards to freedom of religion - And irelands freedom isnt perfect, but its acceptable - and other freedoms. I do not accept that in any way Islam is any more repressive than Christianity is, but the culture in which it is rooted [ The middle east, SA, and further east] is repressive and thats reflected in how Islam is interpreted in those countries. Culture is changing all the time, and its changing now. As liberals - and we are all liberals, right....right? - we should be helping this process along by listening to and encouraging the majority of muslims, rather than pandering to the extremist bigots who hold us in contempt and who we should never wish to see in any position of influence.
So I would basically agree with a lot of what this guy is saying. His video will make people squirm because of their conditioning, but its relatively tame to the broadsides he delivers to the catholic church [ I reccommend that video too, its much easier to agree with because hes giving hell to the religious fanatics of a non-minority religion].0 -
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Originally Posted by speedboatchase
...an ICM poll stating 40% of Brit Muslims want sharia law...
I'd love to see your source for that.
Djpbarry, don't be a smart arse. And the mass Islamic immigration I'm referring to has occured through mainland Europe and England, but not to our shores yet.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia19.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/19/ixportaltop.html
Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK
By Patrick Hennessy and Melissa Kite
Last Updated: 12:14am GMT 20/02/2006
Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the country, a survey reveals today.
The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.
50pc said interracial relations were worsening
Overall, the findings depict a Muslim community becoming more radical and feeling more alienated from mainstream society, even though 91 per cent still say they feel loyal to Britain.0 -
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I think he was referring to The Pope.Who may that be?:eek:
:rolleyes: You think every Catholic agrees with everything the Pope says?Nice trick - defending the muslims while dismissing their leader & spokesperson as a random idiot.
Ah yes, THAT poll.speedboatchase wrote: »Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK
By Patrick Hennessy and Melissa Kite
Last Updated: 12:14am GMT 20/02/2006
Four out of 10 British Muslims want sharia law introduced into parts of the country, a survey reveals today.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/29/thinktanks.religionThe poll, carried out for the conservative-leaning Policy Exchange thinktank, found support for Sharia law, Islamic schools and wearing the veil in public is significantly stronger among young Muslims than their parents.
In the survey of 1,003 Muslims by the polling company Populus through internet and telephone questionnaires, nearly 60% said they would prefer to live under British law, while 37% of 16 to 24-year-olds said they would prefer sharia law, against 17% of those over 55.
Hmm. Sounds reliable.0
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