Really need help selling car - please! (all similar threads go in here)

DirtyOilBurner

How is silver a rotten colour? There folding mirrors??

Far from a heap of ****e! Not a scam obviously or id hardly have posted it here!

SAVE_ME.222

The UK plates will throw a lot of people off, as I think most people don't have a clue about VRT. How much is the VRT anyway?

Cpaw

He never said the mirrors!

Its an ulgy car

skyhighflyer

Cpaw wrote: »

1. English Reg

2. 3.2 petrol PMSL :D

3. Rotten color plus Mirrors.

4 . Undersirable milage and genuine overall heap of s h i t e

What are you talking about?

1. Yes, it's a UK reg and that's reflected in the price.

2. I don't understand what you mean by '3.2 petrol PMSL ' - it's a motors forum, people like cars with big engines. Or is it the typical Irish "sure you'd be better off with a 318CI - don't they look the same and you're only allowed to do 120kph anyway:rolleyes:"

3. An "undesirable piece of ****e" yeah, good one, what do you drive?

4. The mirrors fold in electrically like that.

seanybiker

jesus thats a lovely car bud. What ya getting instead

Cpaw

skyhighflyer wrote: »

What are you talking about?



2. I don't understand what you mean by '3.2 petrol PMSL ' - it's a motors forum, people like cars with big engines. Or is it the typical Irish "sure you'd be better off with a 318CI - don't they look the same and you're only allowed to do 120kph anyway:rolleyes:"

3. An "undesirable piece of ****e" yeah, good one, what do you drive?

.

Wake up and smell the coffee, we are in a recession, nobody and I mean NOBODY wants big petrol ****e tanks like the above. We all want lower emissions now. People are tightening their belts. The car I drive is alot better than that. I know what I'm on about thanks.

DirtyOilBurner

HAVENT A CLUE WHAT THE VRT IS THINK ITS BIG THO!

DirtyOilBurner

Well iv had a great time driving it and never gave me any trouble so i dont think its ****e!

seanybiker

DirtyOilBurner wrote: »

Well iv had a great time driving it and never gave me any trouble so i dont think its ****e!

Thats all that matters. Jealousy gets people no where.

skyhighflyer

Cpaw wrote: »

Wake up and smell the coffee, we are in a recession, nobody and I mean NOBODY wants big petrol ****e tanks like the above. We all want lower emissions now. People are tightening their belts. The car I drive is alot better than that. I know what I'm on about thanks.

The facts that

1. You say that nobody wants big petrol cars when many forum members here own such cars and have no intention of giving them up, "recession" or not

and

2. emissions makes no difference whatsoever for anything registered before this year

and

3. The fact that you think the M3 is a "tank"

and

4. Oil prices are in freefall

makes it quite clear that no, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. But, hey, as long as the (unnamed) car you drive is "a lot better than that", well I suppose that such a stinging riposte ends the argument really. :rolleyes:

seanybiker

Cpaw wrote: »

Wake up and smell the coffee, we are in a recession, nobody and I mean NOBODY wants big petrol ****e tanks like the above. We all want lower emissions now. People are tightening their belts. The car I drive is alot better than that. I know what I'm on about thanks.

What ya mean nobody is looking for big engines in their cars . I know plenty of people looking for bigger engines. One fella is actually thinking bout getting an m3. He would want a newer one though

Skyuser

He wants to know why he can't sell his car and was given some good reasons. The majority of people don't want 2.0 petrol nevermind 3.2, the majority don't want a car with over 100,000 miles.
His market is a small minority which means it will take longer to sell, even longer now that less people are buying cars.

Cpaw

skyhighflyer wrote: »

about. But, hey, as long as the (unnamed) car you drive is "a lot better than that", well I suppose that such a stinging riposte ends the argument really. :rolleyes:

You just can't beat the Focus

Your argument sounds like bull testicles to me, Typical :rolleyes:

tossy

EVERYTHING that is wrong with the boards.ie motoring section in one thread.

Ill formed opinions

Generalisations

Way off topicness(new word yo)

Bickering

Penis envy

Penis measuring

Disillusionment

Humour (that focus line cracked me up,pass the pipe)

if you welded the front end of an focus ST to the rear end of an RS one and fitted a snazzy steering wheel cover as a bonus and then strapped camron diaz into the passenger seat and filled the boot with viagra and budvar,id still take a 100k mile nordy reg'd E46 M3 even if it had a boot full of harp and laxatives and nell mccafferty was in the passenger seat.

DanGerMus

M3 is a class car obviously. Anyone who thinks it isn't hasn't a clue. For crying out loud if you're looking for something cheap to run new practical and economical then you won't be looking for a bloody M3 will you.

OP, it is a niche market though and the irish public generally don't understand the difference between a Gooood car and a Newwww car anyway. Only today i was talking to someone about buying an S4 and told them i was looking at a 99 and they said sure thats hardly an upgrade on your 95 .....****STARLET**** tis only 4 years newer. I almost facepalmed them.
My thinking is it may be a 2.7l v6 and "oh god but sure it will cost a lot to run" but the loss in depreciation alone on a new car,lets say a 1.6l a4, would RUN my car for a few years never minding cost of your loans interest. But i'll be driving in fully kitted out class dogs bollox machine and you'll be driving a bog standard no frill box.
[/excuse the rant]

Anyway vrt is either 16k (OMSP of 45k so expect this do drop in an appeal they don't go for that) or 22k for the csl so add that to your 14k asking and your still coming in at 10k below cheapest asking on CZ but that does have half the mileage and who says it will sell at that price. But if you're buying an M3 you should know that 110k plus is nothing for that Machine as long as it has been serviced properly but obviously you'll expect less for it.

Are you trying to sell it in UK NI aswell might be more takers there.

Vertakill

tossy wrote: »

EVERYTHING that is wrong with the boards.ie motoring section in one thread.

Ill formed opinions

Generalisations

Way off topicness(new word yo)

Bickering

Penis envy

Penis measuring

Disillusionment

Humour (that focus line cracked me up,pass the pipe)

if you welded the front end of an focus ST to the rear end of an RS one and fitted a snazzy steering wheel cover as a bonus and then strapped camron diaz into the passenger seat and filled the boot with viagra and budvar,id still take a 100k mile nordy reg'd E46 M3 even if it had a boot full of harp and laxatives and nell mccafferty was in the passenger seat.

Couldn't disagree more (except the funny bit at the end which was good:)).

What others are saying is mostly correct and will help the OP realise why his car has not moved.

Starting in order:

1. VRT - Going to cost in the region of about 14k-16k I think (I could be off here - open for correction. OP could shed some light on it as he has stat code I'm sure). Due to the rate being raised to 36% and the fact that the VRO have not lowered their previously extortionate OMSP since the recession, this is a huuuuuuge negative imo.

2. Engine size. Whatever way you look at it, it's a negative unless you're an enthusiast as most people don't need a 3.2 litre engine and it's high costs (tax + petrol) in our delicate financial state. *

3. Mileage. 112k miles on a nearly 5 year old car that's costing you the guts of 30k?


All in all, I wouldn't consider it a bargain by any means. Still a stunning car though.

Btw, is it just me or was there a rule that got people banned (or even warned) about posting/advertising your own car or has this been changed?


* Before anyone bundles me onto the 'ah you only need a 1.6 litre' bandwagon, I drive a 3.5 litre so I have no problems with big engines.



Edit: Danger got in there a bit before me as I didn't refresh page!

Vertakill

Just one last thing for the OP...

You're currently probably going to make a loss regardless.

The idea would be to try and minimise your losses rather than watch your car depreciate more and more as you hold out for the money you feel the car is worth.

It looks like the car is priced to break even or to make a profit (which is common among non VRT'd cars) which is why it's not sold.

Remember, the cost to VRT is more than the car at the moment, sadly, because of this retarded country. Might be worth aiming for the NI market as well.

Lower the price or keep the car as it is a beaut. Best of luck with it.

JackFrosty

Typical irish Explain yourself?
I take offence to that comment

FredH3as

Begorra

Tipsy Mac

For me anytime I see someone in Ireland trying to sell a UK registered car I automatically think theres something wrong with it and the seller is trying to offload it and cut their loses instead of paying the VRT on it.

cabrwab

@op i agree with tipsy there, the small price the fact its not VRT'd people are going oh what worng, stunning car BTW.

Motors has hit a new low with people saying an M3 is rubbish.
If i had it i'd be giving you a call, just a pity about the VRT.
Remember car zone is going through a period where half the ad's are scam's so people have lost faith in it.

And to echo a previous poster, have you hit the UK yet to say its for sale?

victor1

v nice car, either post what the vrt would be so a potential buyer can realise total cost and compare to irl priced car of same spec, or if finances permit vrt it and post price all inclusive(prehaps folks dont want hassle of vrting it ect)! Very nice motor though, with regard emmissions road tax ect, this type will appeal to a niche market only, but if priced right should sell, tax and ins would be high(with regard insurance your potential buyer would more than likely be a relatively seasoned driver with good ncb and in right age bracket for ins companies) and if price is low people will look at savings vs similar more exp motor VS high tax bracket

victor1

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

For me anytime I see someone in Ireland trying to sell a UK registered car I automatically think theres something wrong with it and the seller is trying to offload it and cut their loses instead of paying the VRT on it.

+1 v good point - think most people would assume that -

Gumbo

@ OP -

car looks stunning imo
has the right extras including the red leather which is sought after!
HK, TV Sat Nav etc etc

price is fantastic too, high mileage but has it got the full history to back up the mileage?

i would rather buy a 110k miles car with all the neccessary services done than buy a 70k miles car that you then have to spend 2k on inspection 2 etc etc

also, if you dont have a clue about the irish VRT system, then why you selling it in ireland? read up a small bit and include the VRT price in your ad.


also one last point, i have seem M3's for sale from your house before, exactly the same pictures as above, dont know if its the same car or not? did you advertise this car before?

just to help prospective buyers :

VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX (VRT) ENQUIRY
Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) Calculation. CO2 emissions input by Revenue.
DATE: 17 December 2008 TIME: 09:15

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STATISTICAL CODE: 41185292
MAKE: BMW
MODEL: M3
VERSION: E46 02DR / SPORTS COUPE (NON-CONVERTIBLE) / MANUAL / PETROL ONLY /
CO2 EMISSIONS: 323

MILEAGE: 110000 MILES
DATE OF FIRST REGISTRATION: JULY 2004

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OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE: €45024
RATE OF TAX: 36%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX:
(payable on enquiry date) €16208

although you could deffo appeal the price as the OMSP is way inflated for the current climate.

galwaytt

well, UK plates on an Irish ad raises more questions than it answers, and will put people off.

Question: how long is it in the country, and why isn't it VRT'd ?

buying a UK car, and hoping the VRT will somehow just 'go away' is only codding yourself.

I personally have no issue with buying on UK plates, but that's 'cos I've BTDT too many times - but most people, most, are scared witless of anything to do with the Revenue office, and there's just too much money involved - as mentioned, 16k VRT ?? :eek: For (a little ) less than that, I'd sell you my '93 Porsche, and whilst still a big fat 3.0, at least it gets classic insurance (Eur 406 p.a.). That'd leave you 13k+ left over for............whatever.

--amadeus--

Just to echo what GalwayTT is saying you tend to get two camps of car buyers. Some won't touch a UK plate no matter what the price - cynicism comes out and the natural fear is that you know something they will only find out when they go to register it themselves. Added to that is the natural "well why haven't you done it anyway" thing - it's illegal to keep a UK car on UK plates so if you've done that then there is a tiny little bell in the back of your head saying "what else is going on here". Legitimate questions over ownership can be asked. I've done a fair few car deals but I'd think long and hard before phoning you on that ad.

The 2nd group of buyers are more adventurous - a UK plate & VRT won't scare them. However if they are making a cash purchase rather than a trade in they'll go to the UK and import themselves rather than buying a car in this country.

And lastly any ad marked "private sale" that also says it will accept trade ins raises a red flag for me - it sounds like an unofficial trader.

quarryman

Cpaw wrote: »

Wake up and smell the coffee, we are in a recession, nobody and I mean NOBODY wants big petrol ****e tanks like the above. We all want lower emissions now. People are tightening their belts. The car I drive is alot better than that. I know what I'm on about thanks.

Congrats! You've won the award for the most clueless on poster on this forum. You had to beat off some serious competition but the honour is yours!

Lots of people are looking for big engine cars (I'm one of them). Just because you are penny-pincher doesnn't mean everyone is obsessed with emissions.

Lastly, anyone who reckons a Focus is better than an M3 should have their driving licence taken off them.

I think this thread is on its way to Lock-Town as it smells like a seller trying to promote a sale.

victor1

quarryman wrote: »

Congrats! You've won the award for the most clueless on poster on this forum. You had to beat off some serious competition but the honour is yours!

Lots of people are looking for big engine cars (I'm one of them). Just because you are penny-pincher doesnn't mean everyone is obsessed with emissions.

Lastly, anyone who reckons a Focus is better than an M3 should have their driving licence taken off them.

I think this thread is on its way to Lock-Town as it smells like a seller trying to promote a sale.

+1 - Congrats again on your award Well deserved

-Chris-

1) Put it on websites other than Carzone

2) Find out EXACTLY how much the VRT will be and put it in the wording of your ad

smash

Christ sometimes I hate this forum, some of the responses are so childish and ill-informed it's unreal!

The 2 problems I think you have with your ad are:

1 - VRT needs to be listed
2 - Mileage is high, but there's nothing you can do about that an it is reflected in the price.

good louck with the sale.