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First with the news:Tara protesters to be removed
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bauderline wrote: »That's fine but needs to be balanced with the needs and quality of life of the community that live in the area currently. I think this balance has been struck, tara safe, rath lugh safe, lismullen documented.
I really don't think that's going to be the case regarding either the safety and documentation of the sites or the quality of life for the locals.bauderline wrote: »Looking at the maps its hard to see any rational route for the motorway other than the one its on. If you are going to the bother of trying to avoid sensitive areas you would have had to take a very large shift either east or west to make it valid, going east you would likely have to land on top of the N2. Go West and you starting running into more sensitive territory around Trim. I think this was a no-win no-win situation for the road planners...
It's really about the interchange and the disruption the work will cause, not the motorway. There are already machines driving around where they legally shouldn't be.
bauderline wrote: »What are the alternatives Enda "Lets make a crap speech" Kenny, Pat "Angry Man" Rabbitt or the SF "We know were you live" brigade .... I don't think so...
Well, Pat Rabbitt, yes maybe, he has alot to be angry about since you mention it. While not a supporter, the SF quip is the usual cheap shot you'd expect, from the "get with the winning team" crowd.
bauderline wrote: »I have said it before, point to point puiblic transport systems won't work for the commuter belts at the moment. A lot of the companys these people work in are dotted around the perimeter of Dublin off the M50 in various business parks. No links between most of these business parks and the central railway stations. LUAS and DART are good, but way too limted.
The very reason the M50 is a carpark is the fact that those companys were allowed there without the proper infrastructure in the first place. You can expect similar for the M3 eventually I'd say.bauderline wrote: »That is not to say this should not be rectified, it should and I am sure it will be, but its not going to happen fast is it ? In the interim the motorway is still required in order to bring quality of life to people in towns and the commuters who travel through them. I am sure it will also encourage additional industry, retail and tourism into the North West.
Agreed, I feel public transport should be a priority though. A motorway is not an interim solution, it's not going to go away...bauderline wrote: »One last thing that seems to be comming through from the pro tara guys. They seem to regard pro motorway people as being narrow minded and stupid ? Maybe we are just rational and practical people who believe a fair balance has been struck here and can view the subject without getting emotional...
I suppose newspaper articles on road deaths isn't using emotions to make a point. The very reason I posted in the first place. Pot, kettle, black so to speak.
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The vast majority of the locals in the area support the motorway and nearly all business do also. As it is the existing road is dangerous to travel on and cross. Go down and ask them if you want. I know some and it is clear from the objectiosn and reports that the local residents and businesses support the motorwaythe quality of life for the locals.
Oh really? If so then why was it not brought up at the High Court on Thursday? IF there had been a breach of any act or illegally tresspassing then work would have to had been stopped or the injunction upheld or even the companies being repromanded.It's really about the interchange and the disruption the work will cause, not the motorway. There are already machines driving around where they legally shouldn't be.The very reason the M50 is a carpark is the fact that those companys were allowed there without the proper infrastructure in the first place. You can expect similar for the M3 eventually I'd say.
Thats quite a statement. Did you ever think it might be also due to the massive urban sprawl that has taken place in Dublin in the past 10 years? The M50 had been planned for many years, if you look at the origional plans for it nobody lived in the surrounding areas. Since all the work has been done, Dublin has had massive urbal sprawl bringing people closer to the motorway and beyond. Dont go blaming the fact that Business parks were built close to it and other major routes there are many factors as to why the M50 is at its peak.
Yes and plans are ongoing for upograding of the public transport network in part of the areas. The motorway is one very much needed part of the transportation network there. As pointed out tho, a train goin from Cavan to Dublin for example is still useless for people who may work in City West or other areas where having to travel into the city then get another bus back out would be useless.Agreed, I feel public transport should be a priority though. A motorway is not an interim solution, it's not going to go away...
Have you even been on the road? It is an actual death trap. Many locals having to cross it at all hours in blind bends etc. Once the motorway is finished deaths on that stretch will undoubitly fall and safety for locals and people passing through will be increased.The equating of the motorway construction being delayed and someone dying in a car crash is ludicrous. Did the Road cause the accident? Or was it the people driving on the road? Dan Laverys use of the figures involved is misleading. It's like saying you saved money by not getting the bus home and being angry that you didn't save more money by not getting a taxi instead.
They were centers of population thousands of years ago. Go there today and there isint too much population around thereThe Hill of Tara and surrounding areas have been centers of population for thousands of years.
Inaccurate and wildly false statement. The NRA are working closely with archaeology consultants who are takin care of any finds made during the roadwork. Infact you can go and get more detailed information and some pictures on the website: http://www.m3motorway.ie/Archaeology/There is layer upon layer of archaeology in the area that is being be destroyed.
And as I have stated before. Stick a shovel into the ground anywhere in Meath and you will find something of archaeology importance. But at least the NRA are documenting and recovering everything that is found.
I have no doubt some people have given up their jobs and lives to defend the site. However they should do so in a peaceful and legal manner. Digging tunnels under building and protested sites, strapping yourselves and issueing demands are not the way to go about doing it and quite frankly angers most people. There is a legal system in place, use it.I'm not a big supporter of hippies and the like, but I do know that there are many people involved on Tara and organisers, well educated, who have put aside their own professions to defend the site.
Everywhere in Ireland would benefit with a decent public transport system. However it is not a valid option in some areas. This is why studies are done to find out. Public transport systems are good to go from Point A to B providing you are within distance of both. There is no point in building a train station somewhere unless there is the population surrounding it to use it. Otherwise people are going to have to drive there to even use it and that is going to just create consestion along those routes. There are a lot of factors to take into account. A motorway is an important part of the transport network and it is clearly needed. Id urge you to maybe go up and have a drive alon the existing road and see for yourself the intersecting junctions that locals are having to brave every day to get across.Wouldn't the commuters in Cavan etc. be better served by a decent public transport network instead.
I would love to see a stastic of how many people who are protesting had actually ever been to the area before this motorway protesting began. And also how did they travel there? Did they drive their nice new car up? Or did they get the bus eireann bus which takes the existing old route?0 -
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