Why does Ireland have no right wing nationalist party?

berliner

Ireland must be one of the few countries who don't have a party similar to the BNP in Britain.Why?

Akrasia

berliner wrote: »

Ireland must be one of the few countries who don't have a party similar to the BNP in Britain.Why?

It could be because we've only really had immigration into Ireland in the last 15 years.

berliner

Akrasia wrote: »

It could be because we've only really had immigration into Ireland in the last 15 years.

Yeah,that would explain it.Sinn Fein must be unique in the world in the fact they're ultra nationalist yet left wing and in favour of unrestricted immigration.

billy the squid

It could also have to do with the fact that the likes of the BNP have the whole baggage of racism attached to it. Racism not being that attractive to Irish as we as a race were on the receiving end of it through out history.

Akrasia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHh3ykPQEl4&feature=related

billy the squid

Akrasia wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHh3ykPQEl4&feature=related

Your point?

Liam Byrne

berliner wrote: »

Ireland must be one of the few countries who don't have a party similar to the BNP in Britain.Why?

We don't have snakes, tarantulas, George Bush or a myriad of other unwelcome things that other countries have, either; why question it ?

Jimbo

The PD's are right wing enough for most people I reckon.
Anyway, if you want to follow a racist party, move up North and join the DUP

greatgoal

ahearn and his cronies are alien enough for me....thanks very much..at least gerry hutch tried to give an explanation last nite...if only he was runnin d country..:cool:

lostexpectation

they hide in FF

Fratton Fred

parties like the BNP exist so that sad ****ers can blame their ****ty lives on someone else.

Sinn Fein fulfil pretty much the same purpose.

Don't get me wrong, that's not an attack on SF but at the moment they meet a need, if/when there is unification then people will have to stop blaming Britain for everything and blame someone else.

lostexpectation

seems right to say SF are the reason, there must be much machination in the party at the mo.

Hagar

That's an insult to SF, there is nothing racist about them. Your view of them is rather narrow I think. SF fulfil a need, one that FF claim to fill but don't.
When unification comes will FF continue to enjoy their cosy position? I don't think so.

If a racist party can find a following in Britain and one has never found a following in Ireland what does that say about our respective cultures?

berliner

billy the squid wrote: »

It could also have to do with the fact that the likes of the BNP have the whole baggage of racism attached to it. Racism not being that attractive to Irish as we as a race were on the receiving end of it through out history.

I don't think the irish are unique or special in some way.Most western european countries have similar parties to the BNP.Just wonder why there's isn't something similar here.And is Sinn feinn's position unusual for an ultra nationalist party.

guinnessdrinker

Unfortunatly it's possible that it's only a matter of time before we have the likes of the BNP here. The BNP were reported to have been recruiting during the loyalist marching season in the North last year.

Hagar

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

Unfortunatly it's possible that it's only a matter of time before we have the likes of the BNP here. The BNP were reported to have been recruiting during the loyalist marching season in the North last year.

Amongst SF supporters or Unionists?

Akrasia

billy the squid wrote: »

Your point?

racism is funny

berliner

jimbo78 wrote: »

The PD's are right wing enough for most people I reckon.
Anyway, if you want to follow a racist party, move up North and join the DUP

DUP racist??????? You have to be joking.They're a protestant british nationalist party.They have no problem with immigration into Ulster.:cool:

is_that_so

It may also be down to the fact that our politics is defend by which of the Civil War you were on and the constant political two shoe shuffle right and left of both FF and FG manage to do. FG with their law and order and Bertie the Socialist with the oul' Bodenstown speech to remind people how republican they are. that and our tendency to moan ,mostly in pubs or these days on Whineline but once the moan is out of the way we forget about it.

Hagar

@ Berliner - My post was a response to Fred, you posted while I was typing my post so it seemed that I responded to your post.

/Edit there is some high speed editing going on here... and it's not me.

Jimbo

berliner wrote: »

DUP racist??????? You have to be joking.They're a protestant british nationalist party.They have no problem with immigration into Ulster.:cool:

Anti Irish-Catholic = Racist

berliner

jimbo78 wrote: »

Anti Irish-Catholic = Racist

They're against the roman catholic church.=not racist

dsmythy

There's none because immigration is only a recent thing to Ireland compared to most other Western European nations. Any downsides of it will take a while to surface and feed any motivation to become nationalistic.

Besides who cares about nation these days when you have the god that is material wealth to seek solace in? If the economy ever went into a downturn then the grounds for nationalism may increase again also.

The social climate as it is right now in Ireland is not providing a breeding ground for nationalistic belief.

Fratton Fred

Hagar wrote: »

That's an insult to SF, there is nothing racist about them. Your view of them is rather narrow I think. SF fulfil a need, one that FF claim to fill but don't.
When unification comes will FF continue to enjoy their cosy position? I don't think so.

If a racist party can find a following in Britain and one has never found a following in Ireland what does that say about our respective cultures?

No, you misunderstand me. As I said my post was not an attack on SF, I admire tham as a party i think they have some of the most dynamic politicians in the country.

Most BNP supporters aren't racist, they are full of hate and they use the BNP to direct that hatred at a race. You've seen some of the eejits that rant and rave on here, they are full of hate. They currently have the British to direct that hatred at and SF (Or maybe RSF would be a better example)are a convenient party for those people.

If/When there is unification, those people will not change, but they will have to find someone else to direct their hatred at, the Poles or the Muslims for example. That is when the Irish Nationalist Party will get more support.

I am not blaming SF for these people, but the people I meet in Dun Laoghaire selling an Phoblacht are very siilar to the people I used to see selling White Power and other such ****e in the UK.

berliner

Are the BNP racist? What is a racist? I checked their website because I like to have the full picture.Are they full of hate? I'll be lashed by the PC brigade but i didn't think so after reading stuff on their website.

wes

berliner wrote: »

Are the BNP racist? What is a racist? I checked their website because I like to have the full picture.Are they full of hate? I'll be lashed by the PC brigade but i didn't think so after reading stuff on their website.

The BNP not racist? Last I checked and this was a while ago (they may have removed this stuff). They had a whole bunch of anti-semitic crap there. They have changed there focus to Muslims instead. Doesn't change what they are one iota.

Stop the BNP has some of the old stuff there leader use to peddle:

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg08.htm

Here is a quote from that link:

Holocaust Denial

Griffin has never withdrawn his views on the Holocaust that landed him with a suspended prison sentence in 1998. His publication The Rune, which denied that the Holocaust ever took place, resulted in a conviction for inciting racial hatred under the Public Order Act. So extreme were Griffin’s beliefs that he attacked David Irving, the leading British Holocaust denier, for daring to admit that some people might have died in the Holocaust, Griffin wrote: “True revisionists will not be fooled by this new twist to the sorry tale of the Hoax of the Twentieth Century”.

Astonishing anyone would claim the BNP are not racist.

Fratton Fred

The BNP are just another way for a few clever guys with right wing vews to make a living out of exploiting a few muppets that believe the ****e they come out with.

Hagar compared British mentality to Irish, maybe tha is a fair comparison, maybe not. But take a look at France, Germany and Holland. They have a far higher support for right wing parties than Britain and they have comparable levels of immigration. Maybe that would be a better comparison, but of course, no one here watches German TV on a daily basis.:rolleyes:

Riddle101

Why would Ireland have a right wing nationalist party. Considering Ireland was known for it's immigration in the past i can't see how we can just turn around and say no foreigners.

berliner

wes wrote: »

The BNP not racist? Last I checked and this was a while ago (they may have removed this stuff). They had a whole bunch of anti-semitic crap there. They have changed there focus to Muslims instead. Doesn't change what they are one iota.

Stop the BNP has some of the old stuff there leader use to peddle:

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg08.htm

Here is a quote from that link:


Astonishing anyone would claim the BNP are not racist.

I don't claim that.i don't really know what the term racist means.I guess it means to hate another race of people.I didn't read anything on their website that was hatred of another race.People throw the term racist around without really knowing what it means.

dsmythy

Riddle101 wrote: »

Why would Ireland have a right wing nationalist party. Considering Ireland was known for it's immigration in the past i can't see how we can just turn around and say no foreigners.

Why not? Nobody had to accept the Irish when they went around the world and we shouldn't have to accept people if we don't want to. Except EU nationals of course. We have lost that right.

What you said is a common reason handed out when anyone talks about restricting immigration to Ireland. I don't think it is a valid argument.

gordon_gekko

i think the reason we dont have a right wing nationalist party is due to the fact that we irish are not a very idealogical people by nature
were only really a passionate people when were drunk , usually before or after a match in croke park ( no not rugby)

most parties here are so of the centre , there a white line in the middle of the road

the comment that the pd,s are right wing enough was absurd by the way

there socially liberal