muay kensan - W.T.F.??

BrowneusMaximus

seen a poster in town today advertising a guy teaching classes in something called "muay kensan"......i thought i was fairly informed about most styles but i have never heard of that before and Google turns up nothing on it, has any 1 heard of this, to be honest the poster looked like a bit of a gimmick thing "learn self defense fast, we work with your natural reactions so you get super fast ,super quick" that kinda thing <admin snip>?? apologies if i'm way off the mark and their are secretly a load of kensan followers on the boards..........

yomchi

i half suspect some guy made up a load of crap and is making money off it

That really doesn't narrow the search down at all

fergal303

I've been a student of the Muaykensan system for the past 4 years and can tell you that it's primary aim *is* that of learning self defence. Although some of the more advanced techniques involve three limbs working in tandem, the main idea is that you don't waste time when there are three guys surrounding you in the street - you block and strike at the same time - going directly to the weak areas. It's about minimum time wasting and moving in unpredictable ways to deliver strikes where they are felt. I think for me, it has given me a sense of confidence and security in the knowledge that I actually have the skills at my disposal if I ever need them. I'm not into MMA in a big way but from what I've seen of other systems out there (Judo, Karate, Taikwondo, JuJitsu..) MKS is by and large the most effective for the street.
Apart from the techniques, there's a lot of cardio, stretching, team exercises, working with the bags, sparring, etc... There's also an huge emphasis on the philosophical side of life and discipline comes into it in a huge way. If you ask me it's a proper Martial Art!!
Fergal.

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Guys, I know this is a zombie thread but we'll let it run.

Work away!.

Sid_Justice

fergal303 wrote: »

I've been a student of the Muaykensan system for the past 4 years and can tell you that it's primary aim *is* that of learning self defence. Although some of the more advanced techniques involve three limbs working in tandem, the main idea is that you don't waste time when there are three guys surrounding you in the street - you block and strike at the same time - going directly to the weak areas. It's about minimum time wasting and moving in unpredictable ways to deliver strikes where they are felt. I think for me, it has given me a sense of confidence and security in the knowledge that I actually have the skills at my disposal if I ever need them. I'm not into MMA in a big way but from what I've seen of other systems out there (Judo, Karate, Taikwondo, JuJitsu..) MKS is by and large the most effective for the street.
Apart from the techniques, there's a lot of cardio, stretching, team exercises, working with the bags, sparring, etc... There's also an huge emphasis on the philosophical side of life and discipline comes into it in a huge way. If you ask me it's a proper Martial Art!!
Fergal.

I find it curious that a martial art aimed at preparing an individual for self-defence 'on the street' with a rejection of 'time wasting' techniques is involved with nunchaku. Why do you train in a black karate gi if your goal is street fighting self defence?

It's interesting that an advanced technique involves 3 limbs working together, You'd think people would learn to move and strike at the basic level.

This is obviously Raul's personal style of kenpo.

Peetrik

As with any striking martial art or form of striking self defence you have to ask 3 important questions.

1. Is it full contact?
2. Does the club compete?
3. Is it Muay Thai?

If the answer to any of the above questions is no then you should keep looking

pablohoney87

fergal303 wrote: »

I've been a student of the Muaykensan system for the past 4 years and can tell you that it's primary aim *is* that of learning self defence. Although some of the more advanced techniques involve three limbs working in tandem,

Could you please give an example of an "advanced" technique?

yomchi

fergal303 wrote: »

you block and strike at the same time

*sighs

fergal303

Sid_Justice wrote: »

I find it curious that a martial art aimed at preparing an individual for self-defence 'on the street' with a rejection of 'time wasting' techniques is involved with nunchaku. Why do you train in a black karate gi if your goal is street fighting self defence?

It's interesting that an advanced technique involves 3 limbs working together, You'd think people would learn to move and strike at the basic level.

This is obviously Raul's personal style of kenpo.

The techniques are about minimisiming the time wasted/spent in bringing the attacker down; which means direct movements, stepping in to attacker, manipulating his body and disabling him quickly.
As for the nunchaku.. there are many aspects of our training which involve weapons. Practicing with nunchaku is a great way to coordinate hands.
As for the black gi.. I fail to see why the color of the gi has anything to do with street-fighting self-defence?!

comikbookguy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1JoXUFcDkI

Sid_Justice

fergal303 wrote: »

The techniques are about minimisiming the time wasted/spent in bringing the attacker down; which means direct movements, stepping in to attacker, manipulating his body and disabling him quickly.

This is typical nonsense. What martial art aims to bring an attacker down as slowly as possibly and as indirectly as possibly manipulating his chi rather than his body (maybe aikido).

As for the nunchaku.. there are many aspects of our training which involve weapons. Practicing with nunchaku is a great way to coordinate hands.
As for the black gi.. I fail to see why the color of the gi has anything to do with street-fighting self-defence?!

Nunchaku would be good at coordinating your hands use nunchaku or swing the baton, i think the link between that type of hand coordination and fighting is tenuous at best.

If a martial art aims to be completely self-defence orientated it would only make sense that they wear normal attire not karate suits in the class.

yomchi

which means direct movements, stepping in to attacker,

Have you ever trained this under pressure, with say a concealed weapon?

grosser

So have you had to use muay kensan in a street situation? Also when did you see all those other arts being used in the street?
I wouldnt knock any martial arts that givesa someone confidence in themselves, but i find that someone saying its the most effective compared to others, has a pretty skewed view of the world
I used to be a tkd instructor and i thought i was well prepared for most situations. but ive learned that we should never assume we know all we need to know. I think it might be enlightening for you to try out some other martial arts, if you havent already.
Whats the arts history?

davidom2513

Sorry for dragging up an old thread, but some points needed to be addressed

Sid_Justice wrote: »

This is typical nonsense. What martial art aims to bring an attacker down as slowly as possibly and as indirectly as possibly manipulating his chi rather than his body (maybe aikido).

You are talking nonsense. Does BJJ and kickboxing attempt to put the attacker down the moment they are attacked? No, they are usually taught based on going x amount of rounds competitively. Stick and move, wait for opportune moment for take down etc. There are set rules as to what you can and can't do. The street doesn't have rules. Kenpo is based on self defense and disabling an attacker quickly and effectively so that is the difference.

Sid_Justice wrote: »

If a martial art aims to be completely self-defence orientated it would only make sense that they wear normal attire not karate suits in the class.

Kenpo wear black Gis, Muay Kensan is a style of Kenpo so that is why. Black Gis symbolize a martial art that is mixed or hybrid. In your opinion a lot of martial arts would not wear Gis. But your opinion means very little in the grand scheme of martial arts. You seem to believe that your martial art is superior and that every other is not useful which is very ignorant.



You obviously have no interest in listening as other people have tried to explain the martial arts premise to you already. :rolleyes:

I think I should heed George Carlin on this one: "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"



There is already a thread here discussing/debating the effectiveness of Kenpo in a street fight situation:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056744137

Blackthorn Fight School

Your right some points do need to be addressed

You are talking nonsense. Does BJJ and kickboxing attempt to put the attacker down the moment they are attacked? No, they are usually taught based on going x amount of rounds competitively. Stick and move, wait for opportune moment for take down etc.

Sorry but have you trained in BJJ or kickboxing? I have done both as well as Kenpo and a handful of other arts. BJJ and kickboxing guys will put you down as quickly as they can in order to win as fast as possible. Otherwise all kickboxing matches would never see a first round KO or bjj guys would never submit someone. I have seen BJJ guys tap out experienced opponents in under 10 seconds many times. Yes they will wait for an opportunity as you can see with Ronda Rousey and Verdum running in to finish an opponent is usually a bad idea.

There are set rules as to what you can and can't do. The street doesn't have rules. Kenpo is based on self defense and disabling an attacker quickly and effectively so that is the difference.

Why do people always argue this point anyone can use self defence moves just trained fighters will be a whole lot better. Nothing stops a grappler getting you on the floor and poking your eyes out. Except maybe their own morals or the law.

Kenpo wear black Gis, Muay Kensan is a style of Kenpo so that is why. Black Gis symbolize a martial art that is mixed or hybrid. In your opinion a lot of martial arts would not wear Gis. But your opinion means very little in the grand scheme of martial arts. You seem to believe that your martial art is superior and that every other is not useful which is very ignorant.

Think your missing the point here most Japanese martial arts wear gis from tradition as thats what people wore at the time, it was regular clothing. If your training to fight outside a dojo / gym you should really train in the clothes you might actually be wearing when attacked. Because your gi symbolizes something does not mean it makes sense wearing one.

Also indirectly calling someone an idiot is not the way to debate your points with someone.

yomchi

Jaysis wept. This thread originated 8 years ago. The people you are trying to have an argument with no longer post here.

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