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Soldiers in full on camo gear with giant rifles on Stephen Street
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Meaning I'll be dead from a bullet wound if I'm not satisfied!
It wont matter then
In fairness though, you have to admit.. There is a bit of a power trip there, isn't there?
Asolutley ,it's all about power .The power of a wepon which you only get it in the army or some police forces (unless your a criminal ) :eek:0 -
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Maybe I'm just a weird Canadian, but is that ammount of security truly necessary?
Yes, only last week in Lucan a CIT (cash-in-transit) van was robbed and shots fired by the robbers in a supermarket car park. Do you think those boys would have tried that if they saw a load of squaddies with Steyr AUG A1 rifles? I don't!walking between the two of them with 60 inches spare between barels,
You do know 60 inches = 5 whole feet, right?
That's what safety catches and trigger guards are for, to prevent that type of accident.magnumlady wrote: »They always frighten the bejaysus out of me.
I keep thinking what if their finger slips and I'm in the way???!
Wow, it's armoured! The poor lads driving it still have to get out of the van with the cash in the casette boxes and his little helmet and stab-vest won't be much protection against a pistol or shotgun!But the show of force isn't outright, and they don't have a dozen men for one armoured vehicle. It's ARMOURED. It doesn't need that many people...
Even being in the van is no gaurantee of protection. Years ago a security van driver was in his van when it was held up, the guys holding up the van knew who he was and told him where his sister went to school. He then told him that his sister had just left the house and was on her way to school and if he didn't open the van his sister would be taken. Needless to say, he opened the van and was told that if he testified in court his family would be 'taken care of'. He didn't testify and got five years in prison for his trouble. Again, having the Army there would have prevented that.
That's just an irrational fear really. The safety will be on, the trigger guard protects against slippy fingers and even at that, there will never be a round sitting in the barrel ready to go. On top of that there are known procedures that are drilled into these guys heads that mean they cannot open fire without a very clear cause.I think my main issue was in seeing the large automatic guns, up close. I know different countries have different ways of doing things, but like Magnumlady said, I just kept thinking, "what if his finger slips?" even though I know that his finger is probably not even on the trigger if he's following every police proceedure I know of.His wepon will not be cocked and he will have his safety catch on .The soldier will only cock his wepon and undue safety catch if he is giving order to so or feels he and his comrades are in harms way (civillians duck for cover )
Exactly.
Finally, our little island had its fair share of trouble over the years and vans carrying money were very tempting for those looking to buy weapons for 'the cause'. Having the army protect these vans became necessary. These days, not a week goes by without at least one attempt on a van somewhere in the country, most thieves wait until the driver has left the van. Some routes carry a lot more money than others and these would naturally be big targets, hence the extra proteciton.0 -
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Yes, only last week in Lucan a CIT (cash-in-transit) van was robbed and shots fired by the robbers in a supermarket car park. Do you think those boys would have tried that if they saw a load of squaddies with Steyr AUG A1 rifles? I don't!
You do know 60 inches = 5 whole feet, right?
That's what safety catches and trigger guards are for, to prevent that type of accident.
Wow, it's armoured! The poor lads driving it still have to get out of the van with the cash in the casette boxes and his little helmet and stab-vest won't be much protection against a pistol or shotgun!
Even being in the van is no gaurantee of protection. Years ago a security van driver was in his van when it was held up, the guys holding up the van knew who he was and told him where his sister went to school. He then told him that his sister had just left the house and was on her way to school and if he didn't open the van his sister would be taken. Needless to say, he opened the van and was told that if he testified in court his family would be 'taken care of'. He didn't testify and got five years in prison for his trouble. Again, having the Army there would have prevented that.
That's just an irrational fear really. The safety will be on, the trigger guard protects against slippy fingers and even at that, there will never be a round sitting in the barrel ready to go. On top of that there are known procedures that are drilled into these guys heads that mean they cannot open fire without a very clear cause.
Exactly.
Finally, our little island had its fair share of trouble over the years and vans carrying money were very tempting for those looking to buy weapons for 'the cause'. Having the army protect these vans became necessary. These days, not a week goes by without at least one attempt on a van somewhere in the country, most thieves wait until the driver has left the van. Some routes carry a lot more money than others and these would naturally be big targets, hence the extra proteciton.
I'm more nervous about them now.
Thanks for that! 0 -
You won't get much of a response by dialing '911' over here Xiney!
I know it's 999 here Good thing too, based on the number of times I've needed to know that here :-\ (And I don't have my steel toe boots anymore... so Ireland's criminals are in no danger of having their breeding capabilities revoked by me)That's just an irrational fear really.
I'm aware of the fact that it's irrational... doesn't change the fact though.0 -
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I'm more nervous about them now. Thanks for that!
Ooookaaay! You're welcome
You have to remember that these squaddies are trained to take and react to orders, part of their orders include a 'no firing on civilians unless they are armed, making a direct threat to you, your comrades or the security van staff,' clause.
If those soldiers witness two guys beating the crap out of each other on the street in front of them they have no right to interfere unless they feel those people are a threat to the van and it's contents.
If that doesn't help or makes it worse for you I'll shut up 0 -
Dial 999 in the uk and this is what your likley to hear
' Hello is that the police ? '
Thank you for calling 999.Our business hrs are nine to five ,monday to friday .If you've being stabbed to death ,press 1 and leave a message .
If your ringing to report a lorry load of of illegal immigrants tipping out at the end of your street ,please call back after the bank holiday and give three weeks notice .
If you are an illegal immigrant and would like to apply for asylum ,legal aid ,health care ,cash benifits ,a council house and a free ID card ,please stay on the line .Our operators are awaiting to take your call 24/7. Pree 3 and ask for Jacqui 0 -
I'd be great in an emergency wouldn't I? :rolleyes:
Do you think crime is worse here than in Canada?
I think answering that question in full would take this thread very far from it's original topic, so I won't do that.
However, I will say that it's not an easy answer. Both countries have problems. But they are different countries, with different problems, and different approaches to problem solving, and different areas of success and failure.
So it will never be a question of, is crime worse in one place or another, but rather a question of, how safe does one feel? Do people believe that the social problems that cause crime are being dealt with in an effective way, and is that belief backed up by statistics and progress? Etc.
Without further ado, we can go back to calling me an irrational ninny now 0 -
Dial 999 in the uk and this is what your likley to hear
' Hello is that the police ? '
Thank you for calling 999.Our business hrs are nine to five ,monday to friday .If you've being stabbed to death ,press 1 and leave a message .
If your ringing to report a lorry load of of illegal immigrants tipping out at the end of your street ,please call back after the bank holiday and give three weeks notice .
If you are an illegal immigrant and would like to apply for asylum ,legal aid ,health care ,cash benifits ,a council house and a free ID card ,please stay on the line .Our operators are awaiting to take your call 24/7. Pree 3 and ask for Jacqui
Now my Virtual Soldier Protector has "Issues"... I'm doomed.0 -
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Well if those keys are the keys to that van then that's a better way to attack thank with a machine gunstarbelgrade wrote: »And if ya don't get the football references, it's like attacking an armoured van with a set of keys instead of an automatic machine gun.
It's true the Irish army are mainly a peacekeeping defence force but don't underestimate how good they are! Remember, a lot of the best martial artists advocate peace over violence but when they do get violent they sure can kick ass!! 0 -
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starbelgrade wrote: »The Command-in-Chief of the Canadian forces is the Queen of England & Canada is a member of NATO.. there is NO comparison here.
Yeah, true... she's a bit of a battle axe.
Thing is, she doesn't tell us when to go to war, we pretty much decide that for ourselves ever since WWI.
Anyway. NATO is also pretty much a peace keeping force. They're not in Iraq, for example... the only major forces there are the US and Britain. Canada's not there.
k, we're off topic again 0 -
Yeah, true... she's a bit of a battle axe.
Thing is, she doesn't tell us when to go to war, we pretty much decide that for ourselves ever since WWI.
Anyway. NATO is also pretty much a peace keeping force. They're not in Iraq, for example... the only major forces there are the US and Britain. Canada's not there.
k, we're off topic again
She doesn't tell the Brits whether or not to go to war, but like Canada, she has the final say in whether or not they do. The fact that she never says "no" is irrelevant.
And if you believe that NATO are primarily a peace keeping force, you really know nothing about the organisation. (Not trying to be smart here - they are even at present, in Iraq, on "training missions").0 -
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