Expelled from "Expelled"

stereoroid

Expelled is a new US documentary, claiming that proponents of "Intelligent Design" are being unfairly repressed, because most public schools don't allow them to teach their crud in class.

Anyway, before a screening yesterday, one of the interviewees in the film, PZ Myers (an evolutionary biologist) was recognised by one of the producers, and... expelled. The producer called Security and had him removed from the cinema, not for doing anything, but because he doesn't agree with the message of the film. His account is here, and a follow-up post here.

There's a twist in the tale: he was at the screening with another person who had also been interviewed for the film, and who is certainly more famous... but he was not recognised, and saw the film without any hassle. Be sure to swallow your tea before you get to that part.

Sapien

Snatching defeat from the jaws of... well, another defeat.

adamd164

Absolutely brilliant! Everyone was signed in, so not only did the IDiots not recognize the face of one of the world's best known proponents of evolution, they didn't even look twice at the name!:D

Galvasean

Can't wait to read

Dawkins'

review of the film. :pac:

Well the ID people will never convert us if they don't let us watch their movie.

fatmammycat

Pz's wife and daughter went in along with Dawkins, but the Id crowd are spinning it as hard as they can that PZ wasn't invited. Even though their initial website page invited people and made them promise to show up-as long as they didn't try film and gave identification. What a shower of numbskulls.

lostexpectation

can anyone find a listing of viewings

to see if they are doing any in ireland,

Sapien

lostexpectation wrote: »

can anyone find a listing of viewings

to see if they are doing any in ireland,

I can't imagine so. This is little more than a clumsy skirmish in the American culture war, novel only in that it's playing out in Hollywood.

Who the hell is this Ben Stein person anyway? Is he not just that drone-toned, bespectacled actor they get to play psychiatrists and college professors in bad movies? Is he supposed to have some credentials or credibility or aptness to the ID debate?

lostexpectation

Sapien wrote: »

I can't imagine so. This is little more than a clumsy skirmish in the American culture war, novel only in that it's playing out in Hollywood.

well i thought the same as you, but answers in genesis creationist people were here last week so.. why not this film.

robindch

Sapien wrote: »

Who the hell is this Ben Stein person anyway? Is he not just that drone-toned, bespectacled actor they get to play psychiatrists and college professors in bad movies? Is he supposed to have some credentials or credibility or aptness to the ID debate?

Stein makes a lot of money by pretending to be something he's not. I'd have said he's just the man for a creo-flick.

Zillah

Oh Jesus Christ (not an act of worship].

I just happened to be standing directly in line behind Dawkins' academic colleague. Management of the movie theatre saw a man apparently hustling and bothering several invited attendees, apparently trying to disrupt the viewing or sneak in.

How the fuck could someone behave in a fashion that could be interpreted as both disrupting events and sneaking in? These people are retarded.

adamd164

Myers actually applied for tickets online through the right avenues, as they invited people to do. Then he gets there and is thrown out. The IDiots like to make it look as though he's the one kicking up a fuss.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I'l be watching this in 15 minutes... cannot wait

the trailer made it look fantastic

hope they use the confused dawkins clip

adamd164

How are you managing that? Do tell.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

if you google for it i'm sure you'll find a torrent of information

--edit

****ing fakes
if I want to sign up to a porn site, I don't need a worthless torrent to convince me

adamd164

edit -- damn. meh, i can wait!

stereoroid

Sapien wrote: »

Who the hell is this Ben Stein person anyway?

He's a lawyer with an economics background, who became a speechwriter for Richard Nixon. Then he went in to acting and writing, appearing in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, as - you guessed it - the boring teacher. He's now one of the hosts of VH1's "America's Most Smartest Model" - he's the one who's not a model.

In other words, he had some serious academic credentials - top of his Law class at Yale - but seems to be having more fun outside the intelligentsia. :rolleyes:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOAQ0kuHzgw

ben stein on the o'reilly factor talking about the movie

I love the term 'secular pinheads'.

can we change the name of the forum ?

Dades

Mordeth wrote: »

I love the term 'secular pinheads'.

can we change the name of the forum ?

Fill in the pink form 3:16 in triplicate, and submit it.
We'll see what we can do.

adamd164

http://youtube.com/watch?v=c39jYgsvUOY

Myers and Dawkins discuss it (clip from upcoming Discussions With Richard Dawkins Pt. 2)

adamd164

"Lying For Jesus?" by Richard Dawkins

eoin5

Dawkins wrote:

Josh (Timonen) drew attention to the digraceful victimization of scientists espousing the Stork Theory of reproduction, by hardline members of the 'Sex Theory' establishment.

Nice.

Zombrex

Mordeth wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOAQ0kuHzgw

ben stein on the o'reilly factor talking about the movie

I love the term 'secular pinheads'.

can we change the name of the forum ?

Darwinism doesn't say how life began ... it says may be life began by lightning striking a mud puddle ..

I think we have found out what JC does in the real world

Galvasean

eoin5 wrote: »

Dawkins wrote:

Josh (Timonen) drew attention to the digraceful victimization of scientists espousing the Stork Theory of reproduction, by hardline members of the 'Sex Theory' establishment.

Nice.

Pretty much puts things into perspective, might repost that in a certain uber-thread.

adamd164

Overview of Expelled: http://richarddawkins.net/article,2400,Expelled-Overview,Josh-Timonen-RichardDawkinsnet

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8942534214376464713&q=expelled+no+intelligence+allowed+duration%3Amedium&total=29&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4


this is just..... beautiful.




http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4609561480192587449&q=expelled+no+intelligence+allowed&total=93&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1


this one's slightly more.... intellectual

Dades

Mordeth wrote: »

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8942534214376464713&q=expelled+no+intelligence+allowed+duration%3Amedium&total=29&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4


this is just..... beautiful.

That is just awful.

Intelligent Design my arse - just frickin' say you want to teach religion. And Pat Robertson sounds completely clueless, and simply panders.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

damnit dades, darwinism doesn't explain gravity!

Dades

Ah yes - intelligent falling!

robindch

Mordeth wrote: »

darwinism doesn't explain gravity!

But intelligent design does -- it sucks.

adamd164

Dades wrote: »

That is just awful.

Intelligent Design my arse - just frickin' say you want to teach religion. And Pat Robertson sounds completely clueless, and simply panders.

Looks like he's dying in the seat for most of it. I know Stein's boring, but still.

adamd164

"Darwinism leads to social Darwinism... the only people who count are the master race."

Good grief.