New Hard Dance/Trance gig

francois

MYOB wrote: »

I was specifically referring to trance - I somehow doubt you've travelled to go to something you clearly hate with a passion now have you?

Aww relax man i was only joshing with ya

I hate the way the whole trance genre is 'owned' by that commercial ****e like Tiesto and that whole euphoria stuff. There is some good trance out there, gotta admit to liking stuff from Cygnus X, Blu Alphabet, Sasha, Hands Burn etc.

L1011

Euphoria possibly plumbs the depths of bad commercial at times... most of their recent releases are hard trance / borderline hardhouse or 'best of' rehashes anyway.

What else would you class as 'commercial' though? Sasha had top 20 hits in the UK (ironically, Tiesto hasn't!), but so have nearly all the 'big names' - PvD, Corsten, van Buuren, etc.

This is the borderline that moves from either mad undergeneralisation (people who claim that specific artists they don't like are commercial while claiming stuff they like isn't) to mass overgeneralisation (pretty much the same except writing off anyone who's had a hit!).

MYOB

MYOB wrote: »

What else would you class as 'commercial' though?

Every act that gets on Clubland TV for starters!

Maybe commercial wasn't the best word, nothing wrong with shifting loads of records and making a fortune. I love acts like Underworld, and they must be just about the biggest dance act ever. Would suspect that they have not spent as much time as acts like Tiesto in building up a brand name (does he ever wear anything that doesn't have Tiesto written across it?) but I accept that that opinion is subjective and might just be a case of me saying I hate his music so I'll find any reason to diss him.

L1011

Some of his Holland shirts have had Cruijff on them I think

JC 2K3

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

unless you're into "psy trance" in which case lol tbh.

Why?

jonny68

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Why?

i may ask the same question.

I've changed my tune after being at Life Festival, there is some brilliant Psy Trance out there.

jonny68

jonny68 wrote: »

there is some brilliant Psy Trance out there.

Think psytrance can be really good at outdoor events. Was at a rave last year in the middle of nowhere in South Kerry and 2 Swiss djs played a 6 hour psytrance live set and it was excellent. Have heard it in clubs and been underwhelmed. Some of the stuff at Life was great, some got very heavy and fast.

tman

Yeah, there's definitely a time and a place for psy.
Stomping around outside in muck fits it nicely, but it just doesn't work in an indoor environment... (imo)

Don't get me wrong here, I love the stuff and had an absolute ball dancing to it at life both this year and the year before...

JC 2K3

True, it isn't half as good indoors.

Not that Neutronyx nights in Radio City or Tripod aren't fun, but I'd much rather dance to some electro-house or breakbeats indoors. Just something about music suiting the atmosphere.

Scubadevils

I always liked Goa trance which I assume is much the same as psy trance?

JC 2K3

The terms are used interchangibly, but generally Goa Trance is more "organic" and Psy Trance is more "futuristic".

Scubadevils

Yeah was just reading up there on wiki...

Psychedelic trance or psytrance is a form of electronic music characterized by hypnotic arrangements of synthetic rhythms and mesmerizing melodies. It first broke out into the mainstream in 1995 as the UK music press began to report on the exploding trend of Goa trance. Since then the genre has diversified immensely and now offers considerable variety in terms of mood, tempo, and style. Some examples include melodic full on, dark ("darkpsy"), progressive, suomi, psybreaks (generally quite rare), and psybient or psychedelic downtempo.
The original Goa trance (or "old school") was often made with popular Modular synthesizers and hardware samplers, but modern psychedelic trance is typically made with VST and AU software sampler applications. The use of analog synthesizers for sound synthesis has given way to digital "virtual analog" instruments like the Nord Lead, Access Virus, Korg MS-2000, Roland JP-8000 and computer VST and AU plugins like Native Instruments Reaktor. These are usually controlled by MIDI sequencers within Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) applications. Emphasis is placed on purely synthesized timbres for programming and lead melodies. Tempos range across the spectrum depending on the style and approach of the individual producer although speeds between 140 and 150 BPM are common.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_trance

mark3105

if you want to organize a successful night ditch the trance and spin some electro and let people take drugs what have you got agaisnt people taking drugs anyway ?

Executive Steve

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Why?

zero rhythmic inventiveness - the same rubbery compressed kickdrum running at 140-150 bpm all ****ing night long while a succession of arpeggiated synths wosh up and down, and every 64 bars there's a four bar fill.

the dj's mix in a new record every ten minutes and it sounds EXACTLY THE ****ING SAME as the previous one.

meanwhile everyone's dancing around smiling to themselves thinking they're "opening their third eye" or "realigning their chakras"

lol

JC 2K3

[cm]tyranny wrote: »

zero rhythmic inventiveness - the same rubbery compressed kickdrum running at 140-150 bpm all ****ing night long while a succession of arpeggiated synths wosh up and down, and every 64 bars there's a four bar fill.

the dj's mix in a new record every ten minutes and it sounds EXACTLY THE ****ING SAME as the previous one.

meanwhile everyone's dancing around smiling to themselves thinking they're "opening their third eye" or "realigning their chakras"

lol

Psytrance isn't about rhythmic inventiveness for the most part, neither is trance in general really. Although the rubbery compressed kick drum isn't necessarily a feature of it, it's just that too much modern stuff overuses it. Anyway, the point is to have a sustained, predictible beat, and on top of that to build layers of weird blips, psychedelic melodies etc.

As for people thinking they've gained some kind of psychic abilty or whatever, tbh they don't really, they're just on pills or acid (or nothing except maybe alcohol, psytrance is a drug in itself) and having a good time.

Dublin Dancer

Hi All just wondering did anyone else hear about Dave Pearce from Ministry of Sound doing a gig in Mnatra night club Maynooth, Kildare. Where can I get tickets??

leah.s

im a new DJ to the scene and am looking for gigs to play. my music is hard trance/style.
although it would be a good idea to try set up a gig with no drugs, the fact is that the majority of ppl who listen to that music are ones who take drugs. in my experience i have never seen anyone on pills or anything cause trouble at clubs or parties, but the ppl who are blind drunk cause too much trouble to even talk about.

i hope this works out for you i really do.

g5fd6ow0hseima

Executive Steve wrote: »

zero rhythmic inventiveness - the same rubbery compressed kickdrum running at 140-150 bpm all ****ing night long while a succession of arpeggiated synths wosh up and down, and every 64 bars there's a four bar fill.

the dj's mix in a new record every ten minutes and it sounds EXACTLY THE ****ING SAME as the previous one.

meanwhile everyone's dancing around smiling to themselves thinking they're "opening their third eye" or "realigning their chakras"

lol

Couldnt we take that attitude towards any form of electronic music?

tman

leah.s wrote: »

i hope this works out for you i really do.

Tis a 2 year old thread, I'd say the OP has either given up on the idea, or tried it and failed/succeeded...

electrogrimey

Hang on, what's going on, why do people keep quoting [cm]tyranny? I thought Steve killed him off in an epic scratch battle a few months ago?

My two cents, OP, are you Irish? and how long have you been living in Dublin? I'm only asking because you're typing kind of sounds foreign, and I imagine it'd be very tough for someone who hasn't lived much in Dublin to set up a successful night, it takes a lot a contacts and local knowledge to be successful at the start.

Forget the strict no drugs policy, and just run it in the Good Bits. :pac:

RMD

Bart Wilde wrote: »

Why? There is no such a gig in Dublin i think (maybe some "only VIP" gigs)
You are naked, bouncing like a crazy, you are out. If you are not happy with that, Security will check your eyes. It should working...

2 Genres associated mostly with drug taking within the EDM scene. This night will never take off if you have bouncers going around checking eyes, it will piss off to many people and after the first 1-2 nights it will have a **** reputation.

Good luck I suppose, this sounds like a failure already to be quite honest.

Edit: Damn Zombie topics.