Only team to win an FA Cup final...

El Weirdo

...without an englishman.

Xavi6

My initial thought was Chelsea in 2000 but Dennis Wise has ruined that for me.

Was it Cardiff back in the day with a team of Welsh lads?

El Weirdo

Xavi6 wrote: »

Was it Cardiff back in the day with a team of Welsh lads?

No... Checked that before posting. They had at least one englishman (and a few irish too actually).

To be fair... this team did have an englishman as an unused sub.

Necronomicon

Shot in the dark, but was it Arsenal a couple of years ago against United in the peno shootout? I can't remember if Campbell had left them by then or not.

Xavi6

Hmmm Arsenal 2005 had only Ashley Cole play so that's them gone. Campbell was on the bench in that one. My brain is telling me it could be in the 80s some time but it's let me down before.

Necronomicon

Xavi6 wrote: »

Hmmm Arsenal 2005 had only Ashley Cole play so that's them gone. Campbell was on the bench in that one. My brain is telling me it could be in the 80s some time but it's let me down before.

Yeah, I thought of Cashley but thought he might have been injured or something. Wouldn't it have been fairly rare for an English team in the 80's to not have an Englishman?

I think I'll stick with Arsenal; maybe not against United, but against Southampton?

El Weirdo

Necromomicon wrote: »

Yeah, I thought of Cashley but thought he might have been injured or something. Wouldn't it have been fairly rare for an English team in the 80's to not have an Englishman?

I think I'll stick with Arsenal; maybe not against United, but against Southampton?

No. 'fraid not. Arsenal never played Southampton in an FA cup final, did they?

Xavi6

Necromomicon wrote: »

Yeah, I thought of Cashley but thought he might have been injured or something. Wouldn't it have been fairly rare for an English team in the 80's to not have an Englishman?

Yeah I think the ol brain is confusing it for the last time a team won the FA Cup with ONLY English players.

Anyway, this is a potential trick question.

Necronomicon

el_weirdo wrote: »

No. 'fraid not. Arsenal never played Southampton in an FA cup final, did they?

Yeah they did, I think it was 2003 or 2004.

Xavi6 wrote: »

Anyway, this is a potential trick question.

I've been trying to work that angle as well! Maybe not necessarily the English FA, but the SFA or something?

El Weirdo

Xavi6 wrote: »

Yeah I think the ol brain is confusing it for the last time a team won the FA Cup with ONLY English players.

Anyway, this is a potential trick question.

Its not a trick question. no need to think outside the box.:)

pd101

It was Liverpool in 1986.

javaboy

pd101 wrote: »

It was Liverpool in 1986.

Lawro was actually born in Preston, England.

El Weirdo

pd101 wrote: »

It was Liverpool in 1986.

Correct.

javaboy

Except for the fact that Mark Lawrenson was English and only played for Ireland under the grandparent rule.

El Weirdo

javaboy wrote: »

Except for the fact that Mark Lawrenson was English and only played for Ireland under the grandparent rule.

As did a lot of the Irish team around that time...

Dodge

Bonus point for saying Steve McMahon was an unused sub on the day?

El Weirdo

Dodge wrote: »

Bonus point for saying Steve McMahon was an unused sub on the day?

Bonus point awarded.

Dodge

Yessss!

Snickers Man

javaboy wrote: »

Except for the fact that Mark Lawrenson was English and only played for Ireland under the grandparent rule.

Well by that token, if Lawrenson wasn't an Englishman then Craig Johnstone was. Australian born, but played under age for England and although never made an appearance, was part of a senior English squad.

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javaboy

Snickers Man wrote: »

Well by that token, if Lawrenson wasn't an Englishman then Craig Johnstone was. Australian born, but played under age for England and although never made an appearance, was part of a senior English squad.

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I was saying Mark Lawrenson is English. I would also consider Craig J to be Australian.

Snickers Man

javaboy wrote: »

I was saying Mark Lawrenson is English. I would also consider Craig J to be Australian.

I suppose there's always a grey area when people are eligible for more than one country. If you're born in a stable, you aren't always a horse.

javaboy

Snickers Man wrote: »

I suppose there's always a grey area when people are eligible for more than one country. If you're born in a stable, you aren't always a horse.

True enough but I think I would regard Andy Townsend, Mark Lawrenson, Mick McCarthy et al as English since they talk with English accents and were born and bred in England. I would call them Irish players maybe but Englishmen.

El Weirdo

javaboy wrote: »

True enough but I think I would regard Andy Townsend, Mark Lawrenson, Mick McCarthy et al as English since they talk with English accents and were born and bred in England. I would call them Irish players maybe but Englishmen.

Thanks a lot! I myself was born in England and still have an accent but I most certainly not English! I have always considered myself Irish and have never held a british passport as I although I'm entitled to one, I don't want one. Of course, many of you may disagree but I don't think that's a discussion for a sports trivia forum!:D

El Weirdo

I suppose if you want, you could ask who were the last team to win the FA cup without fielding a capped english international, that would work. Actually, I don't even think McMahon was capped by that stage. Think he won his first cap 2 or 3 years after...