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Pamela Izevbekhai - Should She Be Deported?

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    #662
    pinder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭pinder


    fact is we have some of the weakest immigration laws in europe,thats why we'v been taken advantage of.The pc crowd in this country are a disgrace.congrats,youv helped in the downfall of this country,and down worry these people will move onto the next place they can make some money and ruin that too.I just hope they realise what message their sending to other leeches if they allow her to stay


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    #663
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    I've asked before in this thread: why?
    So we don't have to deal with her, apparently.


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    #664
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    pinder wrote: »
    ......I just hope they realise what message their sending to other leeches if they allow her to stay

    The "Floodgates will open" argument on this thread has already been silenced.
    The only precedent to this case in a common-law judicial system is the case of the 18 year old Somalian girl Zainab Fornah in the UK in 2006.
    Since she was granted asylum for reasons of FGM over 2 years ago there has been 3 applications for asylum using fear of FGM in the UK. One accepted, one refused, one likely to be accepted on appeal.

    Only a tiny minority of women in this situation will ever be in a position to claim asylum.


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    #665
    pinder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭pinder


    right you stick your head in the sand ,i absolutely GUARANTEE if this woman is allowed to stay a whole lot more will try the sane.were a weak country ,made weaker by pc idiots like you.did you know nigerians have something lke a 17% unemployment rate,have you heard of credit card fraud,atm fraud?if you havent youll notice it a lot more when more come.but your probably going to stay pc until you get robbed of hundreds.i say send her back to whatever country she was in before here,be it england or where ever and let them deal with her.while theyr at it send the rest back and the romanians,no addittion to our country.theyr like parasites


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    #666
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    pinder wrote: »
    right you stick your head in the sand ,i absolutely GUARANTEE if this woman is allowed to stay a whole lot more will try the sane.were a weak country ,made weaker by pc idiots like you.did you know nigerians have something lke a 17% unemployment rate,have you heard of credit card fraud,atm fraud?if you havent youll notice it a lot more when more come.but your probably going to stay pc until you get robbed of hundreds.i say send her back to whatever country she was in before here,be it england or where ever and let them deal with her.while theyr at it send the rest back and the romanians,no addittion to our country.theyr like parasites

    Your post is insulting and at best xenophobic


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    #667
    pinder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭pinder


    so you dont think there are too many immigrants here?there is no way on earth you could say we dont have too many.im not xenophobic,dont start with that.anyone says we have too many immigrants and theyr labelled a racist by the pc crowd.what about our economy?what about Irish people who cant get jobs?atm fraud is real,nigerians do it.their high percentage of non workers is also a fact.and i suppose the romanians cause no trouble at all do they.theyr productive members of society alright


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    #668
    Lockstep
    Registered Users Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    pinder wrote: »
    so you dont think there are too many immigrants here?
    Due to the recession, a lot are leaving anyway.
    pinder wrote: »
    there is no way on earth you could say we dont have too many.im not xenophobic,dont start with that.
    Do you know what xenophobic means?
    pinder wrote: »
    anyone says we have too many immigrants and theyr labelled a racist by the pc crowd.
    That's the stuff, anyone who views immigrants as actually having an effect on society is a PC do gooder, bleeding heart.
    pinder wrote: »
    what about our economy?what about Irish people who cant get jobs?
    You're right. Irish people were just itching to work in McDonalds, stack shelves in Dunnes and clean streets.
    The idea of immigrants taking all the good jobs is as old as the hills and frankly:
    If an immigrant wants to do the job that none of the Irish people wanted to do during the Celtic tiger, fair play to them
    If they are qualified enough to do a skilled job such as a doctor or engineer, excellent. We always need more of those.

    How many unskilled jobs have you held? I've done a few and it's easier for an Irish person to get a job than an immigrant. Easier to understand, better grasp of English etc and more attractive to employers because of this.
    THese were the reasons told to me by a manager on the sly of a shop I worked in Galway.
    pinder wrote: »
    atm fraud is real,nigerians do it.their high percentage of non workers is also a fact.and i suppose the romanians cause no trouble at all do they.theyr productive members of society alright
    How about you check out our own history and see how problems such as this are more to do with poverty than some form of biological predisposition.
    THe Irish in America were often viewed as being natural brawlers and muggers etc.
    Once they started moving out of the poverty trap, such viewpoints changed dramatically.
    Wonder why.


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    #669
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    T runner wrote: »
    Your post is insulting and at best xenophobic
    You're too kind.


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    #670
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    Neutral(ly asked)question, the people supporting her right to stay, what do they think of our fellow posters letter a few comments back?


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    #671
    trailerparkboy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 225 ✭✭trailerparkboy


    she should be deported without delay, what a bunch of coblers this woman is telling , no wonder ireland is in resession when we have so many left wing liberal clowns around.


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    #672
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    trailerparkboy wrote: »
    she should be deported without delay, what a bunch of coblers this woman is telling , no wonder ireland is in resession when we have so many left wing liberal clowns around.
    Oh, I just love the "asylum seekers have put us in recession" argument. Terrific stuff.


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    #673
    lego
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭lego


    Which country's web surfers are looking up the term "Immigration Ireland"?

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=Immigration+Ireland&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

    Aside from searches originating in Ireland, searches from Nigeria(IBC Scam) and Pakistan(EU Treaty Rights Scam) dwarf the amount of searches from all other countries on the list.

    Aside from Nigeria, Pakistan and India, nationals from all the other countries on the list do not require a visa to travel to Ireland.

    Most people who are looking up the term "Immigration Ireland" in Ireland, look it up in Chinese. Very interesting. Most likely persons who let their "student" or "visit" permission lapse and stay in Ireland working illegally.

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=Immigration+Ireland&date=all&geo=irl&ctab=0&sort=0&sa=N

    Irish people appear to be concerned with abuse of our asylum process:

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=dublin+convention&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=refugee

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=asylum+seeker&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=asylum&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0


    On a more humerous note:

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=porn&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

    We knew that already though:

    http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/porn-software-can-detect-sexaddicted-employees-1532616.html

    And of course, the lisbon treaty:

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=lisbon+treaty&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=lisbon&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0


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    #674
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    lego wrote: »
    Most people who are looking up the term "Immigration Ireland" in Ireland, look it up in Chinese. Very interesting.
    You seem to be confusing "interesting" with "banal".


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    #675
    Permabear
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    #676
    HollyB
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    The 9th of December - tomorrow.

    The ECHR requested - does that mean that they don't have the authority to order? - that the family should not be deported until after midnight on the 10th. That sounds to me like they don't expect the case to go on for more than two days.

    Does anybody know whether Ms Izevbekhai and her daughters have to appear before the ECHR in person, or whether their legal team will travel there, or whether the ECHR reviews documentation of the case so far, or how does it work?


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    #677
    lego
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭lego


    djpbarry wrote: »
    You seem to be confusing "interesting" with "banal".


    It would be banal if most Irish people spoke Chinese, but they don't.


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    Permabear
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    Permabear
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    #680
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    donegalfella wrote: »
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    He has something in common with a large number of posters on here so.

    But anyway, his opinion is somewhat irrelevant, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to link to this article and then point out that it counts for nothing? Was it mentioned earlier in the thread that Roddy Doyle is an authority on the asylum process?


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    #681
    Permabear
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    #682
    The Corinthian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Let's make an exception for Ms. Izevbekhai. Hell, let's make an exception for everyone seeking asylum.

    Indeed, why stop there? If a mother is arrested for theft, let's just drop the charges. Why don't we simply decide that the rules don't apply if your children are suitably photogenic?

    WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN??!!
    kickoutthejams wrote: »
    Irish people were just itching to work in McDonalds, stack shelves in Dunnes and clean streets.
    Give it a few months and you might be right.


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    #683
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Let's make an exception for Ms. Izevbekhai. Hell, let's make an exception for everyone seeking asylum.

    The Floodgates argument has already been refuted
    The Fornah precedent in the UK in 2006 was followed by the levee breaking and a massive 3 applicants for asylum with FGM as the reason. 1 granted.

    The question is not whether exception should be made to the rules. The question is are the rules correct or are they being applied correctly?

    Was the reason for her claim failing the forward looking test because "Nigeria now has adequate protections against FGM?"

    If so is this statement true? This article and many more like it seem to say that it is not true.
    Are genuine cases from Nigeria (and elsewhere) being thrown out because it is easy for local authorities to point to empty "protocols" as a justifyable reasson to refuse asylum.

    We all know the decisions that were made in this case the question is are they correct?


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    #684
    The Corinthian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    T runner wrote: »
    The Floodgates argument has already been refuted
    Actually, I wasn't suggesting any floodgates argument. Read the rest of my post.


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    #685
    T runner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭T runner


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Actually, I wasn't suggesting any floodgates argument. Read the rest of my post.

    Have read it. Wasnt quite sure what you were getting at.
    My answer applies to all of your post and your comments about rules.


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    #686
    Tchaikovsky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    Send her back to Nigeria and let the Nigerian authorities look after it. It's THEIR job to look after THEIR citizens. When our senior citizens can't even be looked after it's time to draw a line.


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    #687
    Mike...
    Registered Users Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Mike...


    she is illegal....
    end of story bye bye


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    #688
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Tchaikovsky wrote: »
    Send her back to Nigeria and let the Nigerian authorities look after it. It's THEIR job to look after THEIR citizens.
    As has been said before, if every nation applied that sort of logic to every other nation, there would be no asylum seekers.


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    Permabear
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    #690
    rkeane
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    The ECHR has actually postponed a decision on the Izevbekhai case. From what my legal friends have told me, they (the ECHR) are not even sure it merits a hearing. Looks like Ms. Izevbekhai will be having her last Irish turkey this christmas.


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    #691
    GuanYin
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    rkeane wrote: »
    they (the ECHR) are not even sure it merits a hearing.

    On what basis?

    Not that I question you, but it isn't a small thing to have such a hearing so for such a dismissive attitude, I'd like to know the legal thought on it.

    I assume it is somewhat more substantial and thought out than what we have covered here.

    Or is it just "My friend Bill said...."


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