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Pamela Izevbekhai - Should She Be Deported?
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I have. And I've read a lot more than one.
There is a rather uncomfortable truth for happy-clappies such as yourself that slavery existed for thousands of years - in Africa, Europe, and the Americas. Africans were enslaving each other just as it went on elsewhere in the world. Some of the great ports in Africa were heavily based on slavery and it was Africans enslaving other Africans as the basis of this commerce. History, you will find, is rarely as clear cut as a simple Sunday magazine article.
Even in your heart you know slavery is against The Law but you are arguing because it existed and exists that some how that makes it right. History you will find, is nothing but a monkey creeping out of the jungle. We've lost the tails but not the attitudes
Societies expand and they require resources. They either acquire these resources by trade or by conquest. You can see the same patterns throughout history. It is the history of the Human race rather than the happy-clappy, let's all be friends view of history. It is frequently bloody, often nasty, and the product of a ruthless quest for survival.
Baboons expand and require resources. They either aquire these resources by sharing or by conquest. You can see the same retarded cycle throughout History. Comes a point where an ape has to say to itself that the whole monkey behavoiur has to come to end or we as a species will come to an end. Logic dictates, it's for the best really...but if you want to behave like a baboon you should get a banana republic :rolleyes:Neo-colonialism? So it is ok to have the Chinese take over African resources but the nasty Europeans and Americans have to be kept out at all costs? Even the phrase "neo-colonialism" reeks of 1970s Marxist-Leninist "thinking".
Neo-colonialism is wrong no matter which of the monkeys are chewing up the ecosphere to make baubles to sell to bauble loving consumer monkeys. I'm libertarian I believe in liberty and I believe in Humanity, that's what the use of the phrase is at.So what does the CAP have to do with a bogus asylum seeker and an Irish court case?
:DThe CAP is bogus nonsense from bogus apes that are given to calling themselves European. But the bogusness of their bogus stuctures far outweighs the bogusness of individuals who have to dodge to avoid such bogus structures in order to attain their freedom from something as simple as having to suffer seriously all their short lives.A European is a resident of a well defined set of nations each with their own history. These are societies based on laws created by their own people. You evidently do not respect those laws or those societies or those people.
Apes ought to stop behaving like apes and start behaving like humans with Humanity IMO. The defined set of nations with their own nationalisms, all the same monkey propaganda about the 'out-group'. :pac:0 -
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I have stated that slavery existed and has existed for thousands of years. That is historical fact. I pointed out some of the problems with your simplistic interpretation of history but I did not comment on the immorality of slavery. Your rubbish about "The Law" is merely a crude attempt to avoid having to provide evidence or facts for your claims - not unlike a certain bogus asylum seeker.
Ah you can try and wriggle off the hook but I slagged the industrial scale European slave trade and you started warbling about how slavery has always existed. Your intention in doing so was a fairly clear attempt to negate the importance of the trade. The Law isn't rubbish at all, it's been with us a long time.So does merely trying to immitate my sentences make you as smart as me? Perhaps in your own mind it makes you a genius on a par with Einstein or Leonardo DaVinci and is a display of wit that would make Oscar Wilde jealous.
lol surely nobody could possibly be a 'smart as you', imitation is the sincerest form of flattery you know?
No. The whole concept of "us" and "our's" is deeply encoded at a biological level in most species. Humans are not an exception. It is our better nature that allows us to overcome such primal instincts and co-exist. The danger is when a society or group of humans consider that they are being threatened by an unwanted incursion on their territory. Then, humans turn in to one of Nature's most efficient killing machines. And all that good and evil exists in every human. Societies are a way of lessening the impact of such tendencies and they are based on laws - laws that they create to maintain stability and peaceful co-existence.
Whose territory? 'Us' and 'ours' are ape concepts that long ago used to be based on actual genetic inter-relatedness. Nationalism has taken that instinct and twisted it, it's a makey uppy perversion that was framed at the behest of the powerful. The grouping is now imaginary, existing without direct blood-ties and requiring a constant stream of propaganda to uphold the illusion. If I can include you in the group I can I include anybody.I don't think that you are a libertarian, even with a small 'L'. Perhaps the Libertarians on the thread could explain that Libertarianism goes far beyond a simplistic and cargo-cultish belief in "liberty".
Regards...jmcc
Perhaps they could, let's see if they believe in liberty for humanity or just for some makey uppy sub-set and then we can argue about who's the libertarian. The fathers of the American Revolution kept their slaves so it's plain to see that some can pay lip-service to liberty and not believe in at at all.0 -
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Are you Irish? I ask that question because the spelling of your nick is rather curious - as if it is spelled phonetically. I have never heard of the people who died in the Famine referred to by Irish people as "our Ancestors". Indeed the phrase suggest some kind of massive disconnect as if you are talking about people with whom you have nothing in common. The immediate identification of what you refer to as "our Ancestors" would narrowly be "the Irish people" or on a wider basis "Irish Catholics". Many would consider them as relatives who died rather than "our Ancestors". Referring to them by your term is just a completely alien way of thinking. There is a continuity of thought in Irish history of a place and people that defines us as a society and as a nation. It is the quintessential "We Irish". That's why I find your phrase more like one that you found in a rather dry history of Ireland.
I'm from Earth But if you knew Irish culture anyways well you'd know who Bonaparte O'Coonassa is. As for the famine, I didn't mention it, so what does that make you look like? If I had mentioned it I wouldn't have used the word Ancestors to refer to it's victims because you can't be descended from dead people. I've lived in places where people have great respect for the Ancestors, not a bad thing at all really. They stretch back all the way to the Rift Valley and only more recently became labelled 'Irish' or 'European'. 0 -
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So here you are arguing with yourself and winning? The slave trade supplied the USA, and Africa as well. But to your right-on simpleton mind, it was only those nasty Europeans who were at fault.
But I was talking of Europeans and their historical propensity to not treat poorer and less developed peoples in a reasonable and fair manner. Some things don't change I was saying.No. It was a futile attempt to explain to an idiot that it was not a recent invention and that it had existed for thousands of years.
It never existed on an industrial scale until it was encouraged and developed by Europeans. If you can't see the difference between traditional forms of slavery and what was done to supply the colonies of the new world then your moral compass is broken.It is rubbish. It is merely a mental crutch for someone who really can't support an argument with fact or evidence.
No it's not rubbish, it's The Law. It existed before we could even write.More rubbish. Your use of "apes" and "baboons" would ordinarily be taken as an insult here but I tend to err on the side of caution and consider you a fool who can't argue like a grown-up. Territoriality is found in most species. It is not a specific trait of primates.
lol you're the one out and out calling me a fool, a child and an idiot but somehow you're the one who's considering being insulted. Funny, so "grown-up" to argue in such a manner. You seem to be saying we're no better than even the lower orders below primates. When I hear people like yourself expounding nonsense I'm inclined to agree but I know real Humans who're better than monkeys.So you don't really have much of a clue about Libertarianism then? Here's some help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Regards...jmcc
From your wiki link, a definition from the IEP.
"Libertarians are committed to the belief that individuals, and not states or groups of any other kind, are both ontologically and normatively primary; that individuals have rights against certain kinds of forcible interference on the part of others; that liberty, understood as non-interference, is the only thing that can be legitimately demanded of others as a matter of legal or political right; that robust property rights and the economic liberty that follows from their consistent recognition are of central importance in respecting individual liberty; that social order is not at odds with but develops out of individual liberty; that the only proper use of coercion is defensive or to rectify an error; that governments are bound by essentially the same moral principles as individuals; and that most existing and historical governments have acted improperly insofar as they have utilized coercion for plunder, aggression, redistribution, and other purposes beyond the protection of individual liberty."
It seems you don't actually understand what that means.0 -
There are some who would wonder. I asked if you were Irish.
I can't say that I've ever read the book. So, since you are so happy to insult Europeans and Irish people by calling them "apes" and "baboons", are you Irish? And why do you support bogus asylum seekers instead of those who really need asylum?
Regards...jmcc
By saying I'm from Earth I'm saying I'm not Irish. However my pass book, my parents and the place and culture in which I was raised all have that label. I grew out of it
I'm happy to insult apes whatever group they think they belong to. I support anybody who wants to move around our planet to find work. It's not at all 'bogus' for people to try to do this, it's our God given right. 0 -
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How many people here have been to Nigeria? I haven't but I imagine it is not a nice place to live at all. I would be surprised if anyone on this forum could last one year living in Nigeria, I'd say that the differences between living in Nigeria and Ireland are immense.
There remains a significant number of people who appear remarkably willing to portray Nigeria as some form of awful disease ridden stinking hell-hole.....not that Ireland is totally free from those either,however if we are in the business of granting asylum on the basis of how nice one`s country is then replace the word NIGERIA with the word CONGO and perhaps consider why we see so few Asylum applicants from that country....
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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