Uniteds Current Squad (Ronaldo, Nani etc etc)

The Sparrow

This is perhaps the wrong night to post this and I will probably get stick...

But I have been listening to Sky hype up Ronaldo all night and I can't handle it anymore. Jamie Redknapp just said that he is up there with Tiger Woods!! I know... I know... Sky nonsense.

But how many people share that view?

Is Ronaldo the best player in the world?

Right I am a Utd fan and I love Ronaldo... I think he is great. But I am still waiting to see him do something amazing in a big match. I think he is probably the player that you would most want against the likes of Bolton and Derby. But surely he has to do it against the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea as well as in the really big games in Europe to warrant the attention that he is receiving??

Bounty Hunter

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055227655&page=9&highlight=cristiano+ronaldo

at this exact moment hes the best out there IMO

Mikeyt086

Currently the best in the world.

But Jamie Redknapp is a joke, as if he is best mates with Ronaldo and he is better than Pele and Maradona put together, always OTT with Redknapp.

The Sparrow

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055227655&page=9&highlight=cristiano+ronaldo

at this exact moment hes the best out there IMO

Apologies I didnt realise that there was a similar thread already open.. Feel free mods to put this in that thread.

besides the obvious goals (largely against lower ranked teams) what makes you think he is the best out there? If you look at big match performances he seems to be fairly down the pecking order. I cant remember any big game that he has bossed.

DSB

I seriously dont think I can stick another 1 of these threads.

Necronomicon

Here we go again!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055251692&highlight=ronaldo
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055227655&highlight=ronaldo
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055227659&highlight=ronaldo
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055223589&highlight=ronaldo
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055212124&highlight=ronaldo

The 'only doing it against big teams' arguement gets really old, really fast. 33 goals for the season after tonight, if people can't put their hands up and admire that then they must be carrying serious chips.

Bounty Hunter

the fact that i would rather anybody in the world with the possible exception of Messi (who he is less injury prone than) to line up against my team, makes me rate him as the best in the world. he just broke George Bests record ffs

The Sparrow

Necromomicon wrote: »

Here we go again!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055251692&highlight=ronaldo
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055227655&highlight=ronaldo
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055227659&highlight=ronaldo
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055223589&highlight=ronaldo
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055212124&highlight=ronaldo

The 'only doing it against big teams' arguement gets really old, really fast. 33 goals for the season after tonight, if people can't put their hands up and admire that then they must be carrying serious chips.

I'm not at all saying that I don't admire it. I am a Utd fan... I have no chip against Ronaldo.

I just think that ppl are going way overboard. I would love nothing more than for Ronaldo to turn it on against Liverpool on Sunday. But everytime Utd go into a big game with a quality team I go in expecting Ronaldo to show his quality and it just hasn't happened yet. Besides maybe a cross last year against Liverpool and a good display against a Roma side that capitulated at old Trafford I cant really remember too much from Ronaldo against the big teams

Surely to be the best player in the world you have to show more than scoring lots of goals against poor opposition.

homerjay2005

woooo232 wrote: »

. But I am still waiting to see him do something amazing in a big match.

every game for united is a big game. and he was superb in the CL last year and this year so far, these are all big games. he is top scorer, this in the CL and in England. we are not talking about league cup ere mate, we are talking prem, fa cup and cl. in the so called "big games", he is normally doubly marked. its very rare that the main players stand out in these big games, its normally the lesser players. he ha also been man of the match in 3 games against arsenal and once against liverpool. nobody remembers them do they? he is a winger, people judge him on his scoring in the big games. and he has 3 goals against arsenal, all away from home.

example -
gerrard has not scored against united in 6 or 7 years.
the likes of lampard and drogba have only 2 goals between them against united.
fabregas has only scored once against united.
torres was non existent when united played liverpool.
i could go on and on, the only "big player" that played really well last year in the "big games" was kaka V united.

ronaldo is currently the best player in the world. that is fact. he tonight broke a 30 year old record, held by George Best. that says alot. Best is one of the best talents ever to grace the english game. Ronaldo will, if he stays at united for another 3 or 4 years, be ranked up there, maybe some people will say he already is.

anyway, why another ronaldo thread, there seems to be one now every week!

The Sparrow

homerjay2005 wrote: »

every game for united is a big game. and he was superb in the CL last year and this year so far, these are all big games. he is top scorer, this in the CL and in England. we are not talking about league cup ere mate, we are talking prem, fa cup and cl. in the so called "big games", he is normally doubly marked. its very rare that the main players stand out in these big games, its normally the lesser players. he ha also been man of the match in 3 games against arsenal and once against liverpool. nobody remembers them do they? he is a winger, people judge him on his scoring in the big games. and he has 3 goals against arsenal, all away from home.

example -
gerrard has not scored against united in 6 or 7 years.
the likes of lampard and drogba have only 2 goals between them against united.
fabregas has only scored once against united.
torres was non existent when united played liverpool.
i could go on and on, the only "big player" that played really well last year in the "big games" was kaka V united.

ronaldo is currently the best player in the world. that is fact. he tonight broke a 30 year old record, held by George Best. that says alot. Best is one of the best talents ever to grace the english game. Ronaldo will, if he stays at united for another 3 or 4 years, be ranked up there, maybe some people will say he already is.

anyway, why another ronaldo thread, there seems to be one now every week!

like I said I didnt realise there was another thread... I have already apologised.

when was ronaldo man of the match against arsenal and liverpool? which games... because i have seen them all and I dont have any memory of that!

So do you all think that because Ronaldo has broken George Best's record that he is as good as George Best?

DSB

woooo232 wrote: »

like I said I didnt realise there was another thread... I have already apologised.

Another? Theres at least 20. From the last month or 2 alone.

KdjaCL

DSB wrote: »

Another? Theres at least 20. From the last month or 2 alone.

And you look past the 1st page on the busiest forum on boards? or search when posting something?

These threads only get locked when pool man utd fans start whinging.

give it 30 minutes.



kdjac

The Sparrow

You know nobody has to read or post in this thread if they don't want to! It is clearly marked what it is about.

If you dont want to read another thread about Ronaldo it might be a good idea not to click on threads entitled Cristiano Ronaldo.

Exit

Which George Best record did he break?

zAbbo

It's total rubbish from Redknapp, I mean we've never even seen C.Ronaldo play a back 9.

The Sparrow

Exit wrote: »

Which George Best record did he break?

His record of scoring 32 games as a winger. Ronaldo scored his 33rd tonight.

Xavi6

DSB wrote: »

I seriously dont think I can stick another 1 of these threads.

Yes for the love of God please merge!!!

Mr.Nice Guy

He's in outstanding form but I'm not quite sure if I'd call him the best player in the world just yet. I agree he has to do it on the big stage. I dont feel he has accomplished this as yet.

homerjay2005 wrote:

every game for united is a big game. and he was superb in the CL last year and this year so far, these are all big games.

Not against Milan he wasn't. Gattuso had him in his pocket. I am a big admirer of Ronaldo but this is a fact. Has Ronaldo improved since last season? I would say hell yes but we've got to see if he can do it when the big tests occur.

George Best helped United to a European Cup. I want to see Ronaldo do the same.

Ronaldo deserves huge credit and is in my opinion one of the best players in the world but he has to do his stuff on the major occasions to be considered the best player on the planet.

Let's see if he does so. I hope he will.

ntlbell

Xavi6 wrote: »

Yes for the love of God please merge!!!

Yea, start a thread on
Gelson Fernandes








lolz

Xavi6

ntlbell wrote: »

Yea, start a thread on
Gelson Fernandes








lolz

Are you making a point there or is it some half arsed attempt at a joke?

What has Fernandes got to do with the 20 odd threads on Ronaldo? But hey if you wanna start one on Gelson by all means go for it.

KdjaCL

Not clicking on Ronaldo threads or Gelson threads or Fahey threads seems to make sense to me if you dont want to read them.

if there too many they will be merged.

kdjac

homerjay2005

woooo232 wrote: »

when was ronaldo man of the match against arsenal and liverpool? which games... because i have seen them all and I dont have any memory of that!

So do you all think that because Ronaldo has broken George Best's record that he is as good as George Best?

well if you cant remember, then it obviously didnt happen :mad:. research your posts in future please. highbury 4-2,fa cup final, 2-0 at old trafford, his first game v liverpool (hit post for like 35 yards out in that game)

as for the second questions, i think yes, he can be as good as best and better. nothing to do with goals, but overall play. ronaldo has everything.

pace, height, lethal with both feet, penalties, free kicks, lethal in the box, brilliant in the air. he is the ultimate footballer.

now, please close thread!!!

Xavi6

KdjaCL wrote: »

Not clicking on Ronaldo threads or Gelson threads or Fahey threads seems to make sense to me if you dont want to read them.

if there too many they will be merged.

kdjac

Tbh the title of 'Cristiano Ronaldo' was a little vague so I clicked on thinking that there was a bug story coming out of tonight's game. There wasn't, it's just the same as what goes on in every other thread.

Mr Alan

hold on a sec homer?! ultimeate footballer?

did i miss something when they removed tackles, tracking back etc were removed from the game?

Best player in the world at the minute-most definately, but lets not pretend that he is a "complete footballer" by any means.

homerjay2005

Mr Alan wrote: »

hold on a sec homer?! ultimeate footballer?

did i miss something when they removed tackles, tracking back etc were removed from the game?

Best player in the world at the minute-most definately, but lets not pretend that he is a "complete footballer" by any means.

u not see that tackle v pompy al? tackle of the season.:D

sorry, my bad, add in tackling to that list of talents.

KdjaCL

Xavi6 wrote: »

Tbh the title of 'Cristiano Ronaldo' was a little vague so I clicked on thinking that there was a bug story coming out of tonight's game. There wasn't, it's just the same as what goes on in every other thread.

And posted 3 times?


The internet will not die from too many threads, too many in the 1st 2 pages will be merged.


kdjac

Xavi6

KdjaCL wrote: »

And posted 3 times?


The internet will not die from too many threads, too many in the 1st 2 pages will be merged.


kdjac

Ah now in fairness one was a retort to an attempt to troll me!

Fair enough though.

DSB

woooo232 wrote: »

You know nobody has to read or post in this thread if they don't want to! It is clearly marked what it is about.

If you dont want to read another thread about Ronaldo it might be a good idea not to click on threads entitled Cristiano Ronaldo.

KdjaCL wrote: »

Not clicking on Ronaldo threads or Gelson threads or Fahey threads seems to make sense to me if you dont want to read them.

if there too many they will be merged.

kdjac

Its not threads about Ronaldo I've a problem with. I opened the thread thinking there might be something interesting inside. Not the same rant about how he hasn't done it against the big sides. The debate was interesting the first time or 2.

Xavi6

DSB wrote: »

Its not threads about Ronaldo I've a problem with. I opened the thread thinking there might be something interesting inside. Not the same rant about how he hasn't done it against the big sides. The debate was interesting the first time or 2.

+1 This was all done to death a week ago. Seriosuly, I don't see what's wrong with a merge.

The Sparrow

homerjay2005 wrote: »

well if you cant remember, then it obviously didnt happen :mad:. research your posts in future please. highbury 4-2,fa cup final, 2-0 at old trafford, his first game v liverpool (hit post for like 35 yards out in that game)

Ok lets go through those games:

1. highbury 4-2... are you on crack??? that was the roy keane/ viera tunnel game... there was only one man that was man of the match and that was roy keane. ronaldo may have scored twice but he was never man of the match

2. fa cup final 2005... For sure Ronaldo was good but I think Rooney was probably better. Plus Utd still lost (by penalties admittedly) hardly a dominatiing man of the match display by ronaldo. it was a pretty poor game as I remember

3. 2-0 at Old Trafford. You must be getting mixed up with Rooney who was man of the match. In fact I just went back and read the match report for that game and there is not a single mention of Cristiano Ronaldo.

4. ronaldos first game against liverpool... he may have hit the post from 35 yards but that does not make him man of the match!

tbh maybe you should do some research!

Mr Alan

yeow!

back in your box homer!

i like this wooo fella

Bubs101

As the saying goes, "self praise and praise from Jamie Redknapp is no praise"

Unearthly

I must say I found Redknapp **** like he did cringeworthy but the guy just hit his 33rd goal of the season, fecking madness

Mr Alan

redknapp, as a pundit, is getting better, he may be a little ott at times, but give him time

Keys on the other hand.....

cournioni

In fairness it was Ronaldo's free kick that confuddled the crap out of Reina "The best keeper ev0r, way better than VDS" which lead to O'Shea's winning goal at Anfield last year. You cannot say that he doesn't have at least one telling moment in a game. He scored against Arsenal at Highbury, Lyon at OT, put the ball on a plate for Rooney to score at Anfield...

That is what great players are made of...

The Sparrow

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

In fairness it was Ronaldo's free kick that confuddled the crap out of Reina "The best keeper ev0r, way better than VDS" which lead to O'Shea's winning goal at Anfield last year. You cannot say that he doesn't have at least one telling moment in a game. He scored against Arsenal at Highbury, Lyon at OT, put the ball on a plate for Rooney to score at Anfield...

That is what great players are made of...

Lots of very good Utd players have scored against Liverpool and Arsenal. That was not justification for them being hailed as the best player in the world and as sporting icons alongside Tiger Woods. Or in the same class as Best, Law or Charlton.

Now Ronaldo has scored 33 goals this season and a lot of goals last year too and he has torn a lot of poor teams apart. But all I am saying is that at the very least he needs some dominating displays against the bigger teams to justify the hype that he is receiving. And that simply hasnt happened yet.

For instance did anyone see Messi tear apart Madrid last year and score a hat-trick in the 3-3 game? Ronaldo needs that type of display to justify what people are saying about him.

DSB

woooo232 wrote: »

Lots of very good Utd players have scored against Liverpool and Arsenal. That was not justification for them being hailed as the best player in the world and as sporting icons alongside Tiger Woods. Or in the same class as Best, Law or Charlton.

Now Ronaldo has scored 33 goals this season and a lot of goals last year too and he has torn a lot of poor teams apart. But all I am saying is that at the very least he needs some dominating displays against the bigger teams to justify the hype that he is receiving. And that simply hasnt happened yet.

For instance did anyone see Messi tear apart Madrid last year and score a hat-trick in the 3-3 game? Ronaldo needs that type of display to justify what people are saying about him.

So tearing other teams apart and playing good and scoring goals and setting them up against the bigger teams isnt enough for you? Would you prefer he did a few handstands to make it more impressive? He is absolutely amazing, but he is only human after all.

The Sparrow

DSB wrote: »

So tearing other teams apart and playing good and scoring goals and setting them up against the bigger teams isnt enough for you? Would you prefer he did a few handstands to make it more impressive? He is absolutely amazing, but he is only human after all.

No it is not. Tearing Bolton apart is not enough to be hailed as the best player in the world.

When did being able to dance around bad premiership defenders become the criteria for becoming the best player in the world??? Surely your standards are higher than that?!

I am not saying that Ronaldo won't achieve it. He has all the natural ability to become a legend of the game. But that he hasn't achieved that status yet and the hype is ridiculous.

cournioni

woooo232 wrote: »

For instance did anyone see Messi tear apart Madrid last year and score a hat-trick in the 3-3 game? Ronaldo needs that type of display to justify what people are saying about him.

And it is only a matter of time before he does... But even then it won't be enough for some people.

The Sparrow

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

And it is only a matter of time before he does... But even then it won't be enough for some people.

It will be enough for me! I really hope that Ronaldo pulls off something similar soon (preferably on Sunday!) Until then I cringe everytime I hear the likes of Redknapp or Shearer compare him to Tiger Woods or Marradonna or whatever ridiculous comparison they dream up.

Mr.Nice Guy

DSB wrote:

So tearing other teams apart and playing good and scoring goals and setting them up against the bigger teams isnt enough for you? Would you prefer he did a few handstands to make it more impressive? He is absolutely amazing, but he is only human after all.

His point is that Ronaldo has to do it against the big teams on the grandest stage. Why is that point so objectionable to people?

Roy Keane put in an outstanding display against Juventus in the CL semi-final in 1999 which helped put the team into the final. It's performances like that which Ronaldo needs to produce to be considered 'the best in the world'.

When he came up against Milan last season Gattuso stifled him and Kaka came out of the tie as the star.

In my opinion, and in a lot of people's opinion, Ronaldo needs to be the star man in such big game scenarios. He hasn't been thus far. Let's hope he is in the next few weeks.

smemon

I don't think any Utd fan cares about how ronaldo performs in big games so long as Utd win them.

Historically, United have always done well against the big sides in head to heads.. that hasn't been their downfall in the league..

It's the little fish which have caused us problems...

Ronaldo ended the match with 20 minutes gone tonight. Wasn't a great United side out, didn't play great and had it not been for him, who knows what could have happened...

I wound't go writing off these matches as nothing matches.. they mean every bit as much as 3 points against Arsenal or Chelsea.

dc69

Maybe as a liverpool fan my view is unbiased,so i can sort this out.

:Christiano Roaldo is the best player in the world this year,like he was last year and if he doesnt win the world player of the year award this year,its a joke.

(although stevie G has never even been nominated and Fatty Frank lampard came 2nd in 05,so its obviously bollox:))


Whoever is talking about messi or Kaka,they are unbelievable also but look at their goals records compared to ronaldos,both playing in arguably lower standard leagues,where imo its easier to score,as its alot more technical and less physical than the prem,so its suited more to these type of skillfull players such as ronaldo.
If he played in Spain or Italy he would run amuck,simple as.He would show how much better he is than messi(at least last 2 seasons),who is just mysterious because he has never played in the premiership,so he has a mystic about him.

He has also been Utd's talisman this season and has single handedly won matches,like tonight.he doesnt get enough credit for that role either.

Xavi6

dc69 wrote: »

Whoever is talking about messi or Kaka,they are unbelievable also but look at their goals records compared to ronaldos,both playing in arguably lower standard leagues,where imo its easier to score,as its alot more technical and less physical than the prem,so its suited more to these type of skillfull players.

1. La Liga is generally regarded as a better standard league than the EPL.

2. It has NEVER been easy to score in Itlay.

Call Me Jimmy

Xavi6 wrote: »

1. La Liga is generally regarded as a better standard league than the EPL.

Yea but you can't say you don't think it would be easier for ronaldo to strut his stuff in spain. The league isn't renowned for defensive displays, which was yer man's point I think.

IrishMike

dc69 wrote: »

Maybe as a liverpool fan my view is unbiased,so i can sort this out.

:Christiano Roaldo is the best player in the world this year,like he was last year and if he doesnt win the world player of the year award this year,its a joke.

(although stevie G has never even been nominated and Fatty Frank lampard came 2nd in 05,so its obviously bollox:))


Whoever is talking about messi or Kaka,they are unbelievable also but look at their goals records compared to ronaldos,both playing in arguably lower standard leagues,where imo its easier to score,as its alot more technical and less physical than the prem,so its suited more to these type of skillfull players such as ronaldo.
If he played in Spain or Italy he would run amuck,simple as.He would show how much better he is than messi(at least last 2 seasons),who is just mysterious because he has never played in the premiership,so he has a mystic about him.

He has also been Utd's talisman this season and has single handedly won matches,like tonight.he doesnt get enough credit for that role either.

+1 even though im a liverpool fan
Totally agree on the world player of the year thing btw.

On another note should the 3 nominations for this year not be ronaldo, torres
and gerrard or is that just my very liverpool tinted glasses talkin?

neacy69

IrishMike wrote: »

+1 even though im a liverpool fan
Totally agree on the world player of the year thing btw.

On another note should the 3 nominations for this year not be ronaldo, torres
and gerrard or is that just my very liverpool tinted glasses talkin?

Ronaldo - should definitely get nominated and win
Torres- Deserves a nomination
Gerrard- not a chance

Loomis

These threads and you people, all begrugers, are seriously pissing me off.
Ronaldo has 33 goals for a wide man and has just beaten George Bests 40 year record of goals in a season for a winger and you're still moaning. But he has to do it against the big teams. Me arse!
That record Best had is pretty good, I'm no Maths genius so correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm pretty sure he didn't score all 32 goals against the top teams. Again correct me if I'm wrong.
If Ronaldo scored a goal per game against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea and scored no more for the rest of the season you'd be satisfied I'm sure and say he's a great player? No, you'd piss and moan about the fact he isn't consistent enough with his scoring. He's now the most consistent scorer in the world at the moment and you're still finding fault. Fact is he's scored a stupid amount of goals and won several games on his own for his team who sit top of their league. If he were a Liverpool or Arsenal player, the opinions of people would be hugely different. If he was with Barcelona or Milan you wouldn't be arguing your 'point' either. I guarantee that.

jameshayes

neacy69 wrote: »

Gerrard- not a chance

+1 for the first 20 games he went around looking like he was in a huff.

Ronaldo FTW

Insect Overlord

Mr. Anderson wrote: »

These threads and you people, all begrugers, are seriously pissing me off. Ronaldo has 33 goals for a wide man and has just beaten George Bests 40 year record of goals in a season for a winger and you're still moaning. But he has to do it against the big teams. Me arse!
That record Best had is pretty good, I'm no Maths genius so correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm pretty sure he didn't score all 32 goals against the top teams. Again correct me if I'm wrong.
If Ronaldo scored a goal per game against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea and scored no more for the rest of the season you'd be satisfied I'm sure and say he's a great player? No, you'd piss and moan about the fact he isn't consistent enough with his scoring. He's now the most consistent scorer in the world at the moment and you're still finding fault. Fact is he's scored a stupid amount of goals and won several games on his own for his team who sit top of their league. If he were a Liverpool or Arsenal player, the opinions of people would be hugely different. If he was with Barcelona or Milan you wouldn't be arguing your 'point' either. I guarantee that.

I was going to say something to this effect, except maybe without the highlighted parts. I've always found arguments more convincing when such irrelevent words aren't used...

Anywho, Ronaldo has been consistantly stunning for close to 2 full seasons, and even for 2 seasons before that he was making headlines. Ok, so he hasn't put in a Maradona -vs- England performance yet, but when you see how he influences games week after week you have to admit he's as talented as any of the Premiership era greats. George Best and Bobby Charlton will always be remembered as some of the greatest of all time. So will the likes of Cantona, Zola at Chelsea, Shearer at Newcastle, Henry at Arsenal (none of whom ever won a Champions League with an English club.) If Ronaldo keeps taking care of himself (who wouldn't want that body?!?!:eek:) and avoids the behaviour that ruined Best and Maradona, he will soon be held in equal estime to these players.

The Sparrow

Why is it too much to ask that the supposed best player in the world shows his amazing talent and bosses games against big teams?? I cant believe that Liverpool fans in particular are so easily won over by the hype machine.

ANd not many people in this thread are complaining about Ronaldo's ability. Just rightly pointing out that to justify his reputation he seriously needs some big performances in big games.

And bollox to that whole nonsense about every Utd game is a big game rubbish. It is just Sky trying to hype up games against mediocre teams like Bolton. They only become big games if the likes of Utd and Chelsea don't turn up.

Look it was equally ridiculous when the likes of Dunphy were calling Ronaldo a nothing player and a birdbrain. But it is equally nonsensical that ppl are comparing him to sporting icons just because he has scored a lot of goals against mediocre opposition.

And when Geroge Best scored his 32 goals he was getting kicked off the park and he never complained. No matter what Ferguson says the game has changed a lot and players like Ronaldo are much more protected. (which is of course a good thing!)