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Slightly unusual VRT/Reg questions

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  • 26-03-2008 2:00am
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    Chet T16
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    Two questions not generally covered that i can't find answers to.

    If i was importing a car which had a different engine (i.e.bigger) in it than originally fitted which hadn't been recorded on the V5 what happens come VRT time? I can't see a difference in value of the car but VRT rates may be different and of course the engine number wouldn't match the V5.

    Second question...how do you go about registering a racecar which has no chassis number or obviously book or anything at all?


    Any ideas?


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    Senna
    Registered Users Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    if i was in your situation, i'd just vrt the car as is, with the info on the V5, then apply to alter the engine code and size once the tax book as arrived.


    if its a race car, why registrar it? if its not on the road, it doesn't have to be registered.
    if you do want to put it on the road, it maybe a nightmare of a job.
    To put a car through that has a chassis number but no documentation, its a real pain in the ass, involving a solicitors, the car markers main dealer and the DOE.
    so if it hasn't anything at all, it maybe impossible (???).


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    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,990 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Chet T16 wrote: »
    Two questions not generally covered that i can't find answers to.

    If i was importing a car which had a different engine (i.e.bigger) in it than originally fitted which hadn't been recorded on the V5 what happens come VRT time? I can't see a difference in value of the car but VRT rates may be different and of course the engine number wouldn't match the V5.

    Second question...how do you go about registering a racecar which has no chassis number or obviously book or anything at all?


    Any ideas?

    Are you importing a race car or a normal road car? If it's a normal road car I'd walk away now, how do you know that the engine/car is legit if they haven't updated the V5?

    Maybe contact some of the rally clubs and see how they go about it.
    Senna wrote: »
    if i was in your situation, i'd just vrt the car as is, with the info on the V5, then apply to alter the engine code and size once the tax book as arrived.

    Don't do that. Giving false information is illegal and if caught you could be in trouble.


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    Chet T16
    Registered Users Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭Chet T16


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Are you importing a race car or a normal road car? If it's a normal road car I'd walk away now, how do you know that the engine/car is legit if they haven't updated the V5?

    Maybe contact some of the rally clubs and see how they go about it.


    Its a normal car that has the different engine, i know the car and the owner, its just the car has never officially made it to the road so the V5 hasn't been updated. There wouldn't be a problem getting it changed i was just curious about what would happen if it wasn't changed before bringing it in


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    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,990 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Chet T16 wrote: »
    Its a normal car that has the different engine, i know the car and the owner, its just the car has never officially made it to the road so the V5 hasn't been updated. There wouldn't be a problem getting it changed i was just curious about what would happen if it wasn't changed before bringing it in

    Best would be to get it updated before bringing it in. If revenue do a proper inspection when paying the VRT it could cause issues.

    Also your insurance here could be void if you VRT/Tax and drive it as the smaller engine while you know it has a bigger engine.


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    ninty9er
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    Del2005 wrote: »
    Best would be to get it updated before bringing it in. If revenue do a proper inspection when paying the VRT it could cause issues.

    Also your insurance here could be void if you VRT/Tax and drive it as the smaller engine while you know it has a bigger engine.

    +1


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    galwaytt
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    Del2005 wrote: »
    Best would be to get it updated before bringing it in. If revenue do a proper inspection when paying the VRT it could cause issues.

    Also your insurance here could be void if you VRT/Tax and drive it as the smaller engine while you know it has a bigger engine.

    well, unless the VRT office has bought a socket set, lift, measuring instruments, they won't be able to check anything.

    Insurance is a completely separate manner - you can insure it as it's true capacity irrespective of what the Reg Cert says.........

    Oh, and changing the details on teh car in the UK will no less onerous than here, involving getting the car inspected at local DVLA etc etc.

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    smash
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    What are you thinking about bringing in? I've thought about this before as I was looking at the elise Vtec engine transplant that you can get in the uk.


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    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,990 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    galwaytt wrote: »
    well, unless the VRT office has bought a socket set, lift, measuring instruments, they won't be able to check anything.

    I'd say if they look at the V5 and check the engine number they could see something.
    Insurance is a completely separate manner - you can insure it as it's true capacity irrespective of what the Reg Cert says.........

    Oh, and changing the details on teh car in the UK will no less onerous than here, involving getting the car inspected at local DVLA etc etc

    Handy to know about the insurance.


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    Senna
    Registered Users Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    as i said, just try and get it vrt'd, as is.
    depending on the age of the car (i dont think they do visual inspections on older cars) there's a good chance they wont notice and you can always claim ignorance. Your not going to get into any trouble.


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    Chet T16
    Registered Users Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭Chet T16


    The car i'm thinking of is a base spec 1.4 renault 19 which has had the 1.8 16v engine/box/suspension etc transplanted in. Even a 16v doesn't cost more than 315 to VRT so there'd be no case of paying less than i should. Tax would obviously be an issue


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    nmacc
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    It is very unlikely that the VRT folks would notice the difference unless the engines are visibly very different. They often don't open the bonnet and I have never had an engine number checked. Of course some of the folks on the board may have had a different experience.....

    Anyway, if cost is not an issue I'd stay strictly legal; it makes for peace of mind.


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    Chet T16
    Registered Users Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭Chet T16


    Anytime i've VRT'd a car they've looked under the bonnet

    As it goes the V5 for my integrale had it listed as a 2 door saloon with a digit missing from the chassis number, apparantly quite coming with a car imported to the uk! They reg'd that no problem

    I'm more concerned about the no chassis no. thing. I could get the car SVA'd in the uk and a chassis number assigned from the DVLA but thats major hassle.


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