Uninsured untaxed polish driver crashed into my dads car - write off.

Mena

KBarry wrote: »

Just curious... what happens if you don't have a credit card or any money in the bank?

Not sure about Luxembourg, but in some locales they'll lock you up until someone can sort it, or impound the vehicle until you return to pay the fine.

ambro25

KBarry wrote: »

Just curious... what happens if you don't have a credit card or any money in the bank?

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Mena wrote: »

Not sure about Luxembourg, but in some locales they'll lock you up until someone can sort it, or impound the vehicle until you return to pay the fine.

Both apply (locked up + car impounded), and the Judge may have to sort it out in a 'comparution immédiate' (immediate hearing) (your ID etc. will be checked/verified, relatives or 'someone' ID'd + contacted, etc. and usually, payment sorted 'by proxy').

Usually, people don't stay locked up for more than a few hours at most (it's not the banana republic w. keystone cops that IE is and the European Court of Justice is a 10 mins walk away ) ...but the car stays in until the fine's paid.

Tha Gopher

Sherifu wrote: »

Why does it make a difference where they were from? They had no tax or insurance, crashed into his fathers car[write off]. That's all we needed to know.

What if certain nationalities are generally worse at a particular thing than others? Ive no particular opinion on Polish drivers as I have not noticed them to be disproportionately crap drivers, but if a poster here has, why not respect the opinion instead of jumping down his throat with the racism accusations?

For example, alot of cyclists in this country from Mediterranean countries should need a test and licence to cycle here. I work in an industrial estate employing a huge amount and alot of them are dangerous fcukers, simple as. So therefore, if (or perhaps, when) Im hit by a cyclist on the way to work, yes, I will say he was Spanish/Italian. It will have a certain resonance with things Ive been saying previously about their ability.

Its like, for example, if I said "the Chinese are very hard workers", would you have an issue with it? Of course not. Back in the student menial job days I worked with dozens of Chinese, all but one of whom broke their balls working. For some reason, because stereotyping the Chinese as hard workers (nd they are, in general) is something positive, nobody would care. If I said to you alot of African customers were rude (not all, but a good deal, Id reckon about a quarter didnt say please or thank you and tended to bark orders) you would get up on your high horse about it. It is ****ing childish, grow up and cop yourself on. I am sure there are alot of areas you wouldnt go at night because, you may think, "its full of skangers". Now, 25% of them may be out and out scumbags, but in your generalisation you miss the other 75%.

Fighting Irish

rb_ie wrote: »

I don't, I obey the law and regardless of how empty or busy a road is, I stick to the speed limit on it as it's there for my own safety.

I mean, the speed limit on some motorways is 120km/ph, is there any need to go faster than that? I've seen plenty doing it, why, I don't know.

I'm looking forward to the day that a private firm can set up speeding cameras everywhere, more penalty points are dished out and the idiots who drive up our insurance premiums are removed from our roads quicker.

Its not speeders who up our insurance, its the stupid people

FACT

Collie D

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Its not speeders who up our insurance, its the stupid people

FACT

Care to expand? I always equated sepeding with stupidity

ninty9er

Collie D wrote: »

Care to expand? I always equated sepeding with stupidity

Speeding is often mistaken for breaking the speed limit, which is a true marker of stupidity. It's travelling at an inappropriate speed for the road/conditions (i.e some country roads with 80kmh limits aren't safe to be doing 80 on in parts, while doing 180-200 down the M9/ up the M1 in a straight line is quite safe in comparison (vehicle dependent...obviously a 1.6 Avensis would be difficult to control at those speeds, but a 4l Lexus etc would be just getting into its own).

So first of all we need to define speeding

Fighting Irish

Collie D wrote: »

Care to expand? I always equated sepeding with stupidity

I sometimes speed 110km on a good 100km road, that doesn't make me stupid.

The speed limits on most roads in Ireland are jokes

Collie D

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I sometimes speed 110km on a good 100km road, that doesn't make me stupid.

The speed limits on most roads in Ireland are jokes

I'm sure they're there for a reason

Pacifico

Collie D wrote: »

I'm sure they're there for a reason

Ever driven a car?

Collie D

Pacifico wrote: »

Ever driven a car?

Yes, what's that got to do with anything? The problem in this country is that a lot of people think they're the world's best driver and can drive as fast as they can thinking that theyre too good to be involved in an accident

ninty9er

Collie D wrote: »

Yes, what's that got to do with anything? The problem in this country is that a lot of people think they're the world's best driver and can drive as fast as they can thinking that theyre too good to be involved in an accident

Do you know the difference between an overtaking lane and a fast lane??

Collie D

ninty9er wrote: »

Do you know the difference between an overtaking lane and a fast lane??

If you read back a page or two you'll see that I do.....one is for overtaking and the other is non-existemnt

EDIT I refuse to get involved in an argument with somebody who has that thing as their sig pic

stepbar

Christ there are some pathetic drivers out there. I happened to be crusing on the Clonee - Blanch duel carriageway last night. In front of me ere was a car in the fast lane and a range rover right behind it. What happened next defied logic. The range rover undertook the car in the fast land (nearly hitting the car in the slow lane) and went back into the fast lane (nearly hitting the car he undertook) and drove on. Now the car stuck in the fast lane shouldn't have been there but it's that sort of behaviour that causes crashes on our roads.

Pacifico

Collie D wrote: »

EDIT I refuse to get involved in an argument with somebody who has that thing as their sig pic

Seriously though there is a huge difference in speeding on a motorway and a bad country back road.

Sherifu

Tha Gopher wrote: »

What if certain nationalities are generally worse at a particular thing than others? Ive no particular opinion on Polish drivers as I have not noticed them to be disproportionately crap drivers, but if a poster here has, why not respect the opinion instead of jumping down his throat with the racism accusations?

Racism accusations, you made me laugh with that. If you have a study on the standard of Polish driving produce a link. Otherwise your anecdotal BS is of no use to me.

RoyalMarine

ziggy wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

ugh sorry i really meant to say non irish national.

Steve

Speed limits in this country are nothing more than speeds you can drive at, above which, you pay a speed tax and receive points on your driving license.

:pac:< "but they're there for safety"

Take any R-road in the country and I defy you to travel the length of it at the speed the the sign says - or even 10kmh below it.
If the signs displayed "safe" limits then the lawsuit the government would face would make the army deafness claim seem like the carbon emissions of Gormleys bicycle.

:pac:< "but speeding is dangerous and bad"

Driving to fast for the road and / or conditions is dangerous and bad - that's why people die.

:pac:<"I drive 10kmh below the limit and don't let anyone pass me - aren't I great!"

No you're the biggest muppet of them all and are the cause of an ever increasing tailback of drivers with ever building frustration until one of them gets so frustrated that they overtake regardless and take a huge risk.

I could go on.....

Tha Gopher

Sherifu wrote: »

Racism accusations, you made me laugh with that. If you have a study on the standard of Polish driving produce a link. Otherwise your anecdotal BS is of no use to me.

Where did I say I thought Polish drivers are generally crap? In fact if you bothered reading the post I remained neutral on the issue.

So, how is Romania? Ill bet your Romanian mates there love it when you criticise them for not liking gypsies.

Or do you just stfu and attempt to blend in by complaining about them with the rest of them? You gotta love keyboard activists :P

ninty9er

Collie D wrote: »

If you read back a page or two you'll see that I do.....one is for overtaking and the other is non-existemnt

EDIT I refuse to get involved in an argument with somebody who has that thing as their sig pic

Apologies....that's just one thing anyone over 35 seems to have an issue with (not presuming you're over 35 or anything)

You can't SERIOUSLY, LOGICALLY argue that political persuasion influences how people drive on the roads.

Sherifu

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Where did I say I thought Polish drivers are generally crap? In fact if you bothered reading the post I remained neutral on the issue.

The irony of you talking about me not reading your posts. Delicious.

Tha Gopher wrote: »

So, how is Romania? Ill bet your Romanian mates there love it when you criticise them for not liking gypsies.
Or do you just stfu and attempt to blend in by complaining about them with the rest of them? You gotta love keyboard activists :P

Romania is fine[thanks for asking :rolleyes:], all the gypsies are over in Ireland with you, the skangers and the scumbags. Actually I stfu and listen to what the Romanians say about Roma gypsies. I have yet to hear something positive. Be that fair or not. I have no experience with them, good or bad. Keyboard activists? There was no need to know the driver was Polish. You have yet to provide a good reason to the contrary. The only thing you did was go off on a tangent about racism.

ninty9er

Sherifu wrote: »

There was no need to know the driver was Polish. You have yet to provide a good reason to the contrary. The only thing you did was go off on a tangent about racism.

It's a descriptor, the same as saying for example: some auld wan with a D4 accent rear ended me at traffic lights

Tha Gopher

Sherifu wrote: »

There was no need to know the driver was Polish. You have yet to provide a good reason to the contrary. The only thing you did was go off on a tangent about racism.

People describe others how they see them. Nationality included. If a workmate in another dept says a nice little blonde yoke started, he will usually mention whether she is Irish or foreign, or else Id ask, because about 60% of the place is foreign. Does it matter?

Yes, quite frankly.

Sherifu

Tha Gopher wrote: »

People describe others how they see them. Nationality included. If a workmate in another dept says a nice little blonde yoke started, he will usually mention whether she is Irish or foreign, or else Id ask, because about 60% of the place is foreign. Does it matter?

Yes, quite frankly.

To some people. Unfortunately.

WooPeeA

Whoa!! Too much on Polish people here! I'm not excuse this guy but do you know how many Irish drivers crashed into Polish cars??

BAD DRIVER IS BAD DRIVER EVERYWHERE!! No nationality is important here so stop blaming nation and start blaming drivers themselves.

Pub07

Well, I don't know about the latest statistics but in 2006 foreign nationals accounted for 25% of deaths on irish roads. So giving out to the op because he highlighted the fact that the driver in his story was Polish is unfair considering there is definately an issue with foreign national drivers on Irish roads.

Ninja_scrotum

Oh my jaysus christ.

Ye are all a bunch of whining little bitches.

I post a message, leave for a few days. When I come back there's 125 replies of bickering. What a bunch of losers!

The reason I mentioned nationality is because I wanted to know if the law would be applied to him any differently since he wasn't Irish.

I'm not mentioneing anything else about the crash, some daily star journalist who was reading this Pm'd me to offer to write about the story.

So, bye bye

Sherifu

Daily Star, wow you've hit the big time there Ninja_scrotum. G'luck.

stevoman

Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

Oh my jaysus christ.

Ye are all a bunch of whining little bitches.

I post a message, leave for a few days. When I come back there's 125 replies of bickering. What a bunch of losers!

The reason I mentioned nationality is because I wanted to know if the law would be applied to him any differently since he wasn't Irish.

I'm not mentioneing anything else about the crash, some daily star journalist who was reading this Pm'd me to offer to write about the story.

So, bye bye

Here's a lesson i learnt a long time ago. If your looking for advice, dont go to After Hours!!!!

However, if you are looking to get something off your chest and watch everyone bitch and fight your point away, yep, this is the place!!!!! (its quite entertaining)

stevoman

Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

I'm not mentioneing anything else about the crash, some daily star journalist who was reading this Pm'd me to offer to write about the story.

Name and Shame, Name and Shame!

Wertz

stevoman wrote: »

Name and Shame, Name and Shame!

Seriously...there's at least one member for my ignore list right there...

katieo

the bast thing for your dad to do is if he has comp as is mentioned above, then let the his insurance pay the PAV of the car, the ins co will proably want confirmation fromt he grds stating that the insd is un-insured when they receive this his NCB will be put back to what it was, obviously if the grds took the polish guy they will have his details and the ins co will also request these from the grds and they will then try to claim the cost of the claim back off the un-insured driver often they aren't successful but they'll try anyway unfortunatly there is proably a policy excess which will be taken off the PAV and if your father wants this back he'll have to persue the un-insured driver himself

RuailleBuaille

It's a car FFS, be glad your dad is still with you.

Beerlao

Vespian wrote: »

It's a car FFS, be glad your dad is still with you.

wow, what a contribution.

that's like someone making a thread, upset that they've lost their job and you say "what are you crying about, at least you don't have AIDS"

sure why don't we just go and wreck your car, you won't mind, as long as no one gets hurt!!!

ziggy

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Ninja_scrotum

Daily Star, wow you've hit the big time there Ninja_scrotum. G'luck.

Name and Shame, Name and Shame!

Haha, I don't think I explained myself properly in the previous post....

I am not talking about this accident anymore JUST IN CASE the Daily Star try to write a story around whatever info I give.

As I said, I was already PM'd by a Star reporter, so he is probably drooling over this thread right now.

The star is more than likely just looking to write a dramatic story and cause a bit of uproar... I don't want that to happen.

Also, I hate the Daily Star. It's good for swatting flies, whacking off peoples heads, lighting the fire, wiping your hole, and jizzing on page 3.

If I wanted to find out about some recent news story.... for example what is going on in Zimbabwe right now, and the Daily Star was the only newspaper left in the world and it was lying on the street right in front of me.... I'd get a plane to Zimbabwe.

if you are looking to get something off your chest...... this is the place!!!!!

Yeah I was pissed off about the lovely shiny car being busted to shit.

It's a car FFS, be glad your dad is still with you.

What kind of thread do you want me to post?

"My dad was in a crash but at least he's alright - what do you think guys, please discuss"

tomster

Lenina wrote: »

Silly, I admit, I was very irritated by some remarks about Polish and other Central and Eastern European people. It is extremely unfair to judge all people by a few bad examples.

Hahaha, why? Let them go, it becomes funny at this stage

2 years ago I was waiting on the trafic lights when a car driven by a drunk Polish guy (his drunk Irish friend was a passenger) crashed into the back of my car. My car got totally wrecked (insurance company took it for scrap, was no point to repair it), guy ran away from the scene - long story short: had loads of toubles with it, lost loads of money and had loads of sleeples nights.

I'm Polish myself, and after reading some of the above comments posted by frustrated bigots I think I'll better stop paying overpriced Irish rent to my Irish landlord's pocket, I will stop paying Irish taxes (PAYE, VAT, etc.) that mainly support Irish people (% - quite simple maths) and I will just leave this little island, giving you your "bleeeedin jaaab" back. Ready to stick it up...

Christ...

Polish driver crashed into my car - driving ban for Poles! As I am Polish I will go tomorrow to the nearest Garda Station to apply for a ban for myself. And will cancel my insurance simply because if

"THEY drive without insurance"

means

" THEY ALL drive without insurance"

I don't wanna be different... like a freak having NCT, tax and insurance.

lostexpectation

motoring forum anyone?

Tha Gopher

Sherifu wrote: »

To some people. Unfortunately.

Lol So are you honestly saying you dont agree that some nationalities are more prone to certain traits or activities than others? You dont think Irish people drink more than Italians? That alot of Chinese people love gambling? I could go on but if you cant be truthful about it what is the point.

What does it matter to mention someone is Polish/black/Chinese?

What does it matter to mention they were a Dub or country lad.

Or blonde or black haired.

Or short or long haired.

Oh and as for foreign drivers, in the local paper in my grannys area (there is no court page in my local) a massive proportion of the motoring offences are with folk with E European names.

btw I people got banned here lately for shouting racist for no reason, so as you know......

Tha Gopher

tomster wrote: »

snip
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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55549752#post55549752

Ahem.....

teetotaller

rb_ie wrote: »

I mean, the speed limit on some motorways is 120km/ph, is there any need to go faster than that? I've seen plenty doing it, why, I don't know.

is there any need to go slower than 120km/ph on motorway on fast lane causing danger to other drivers who wants to go 120? I find it very dangerous...

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Take a look at the courts pages in your local paper, now compared to Irish, foreign drivers are involved in or around 60-70% of the cases each week which is a huge percentage.

any proof of this ? how it is possiblem that few % of people can cause 70% of cases ?

ninty9er wrote: »

( Polish insurance is crap)

how do u know it ?

RoyalMarineComm wrote: »

the community service was givin as i made a statement wishing for him not to go to prison for 3 months as suggested by the judge.

will this foreign national be given anything close to this?
sorry but no. he wont.

why ?



thanks to all of u who mentioned that nationality of this fecker is not important.
there are black sheeps everywhere and I hope that this one won't go to jail. It would be better if he could go to work and pay back for all damage he did + I would give him huge fine and plenty hours of social work.

I know many stories about bad Irish people - but there is no point to inform about their nationality. feckers are feckers and nothing won't change it.

I think that most of our Polish community are good people and many of u know a lot of good facts and stories about us. And it would be not fair to us to say that because of few % of people all of us should go back to Poland or any other countries.

tomster

Tha Gopher wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=55549752#post55549752

Ahem.....

1) Nice, but not related. Meaning of that post was to express my support for it's author, I totally agree that goverments don't know how to deal with certain issues, using "racist ticket" every time they want. If you don't understand I'm not gonna waste any second more explaining it.

2) Are you trying to tell me, that driving without insurance (tax, NCT) and breaking road law lies as deep in Polish culture (!!!) as begging in Roma's culture (yes, begging is Roma's culture) ant these 2 issues have something to do witch each other?

3) If my posts are offensive, racist or xenophobic ban me with no warning.

Nice try, but if you wanna catch me on my own words I'd suggest to try harder.


@ teetotaler - great example with the motorway, I still remember 2 Micras on the motorway, one beside the other driving 70km/h, the whole road is blocked... Brilliant! SAFETY FIRST!

John Mason

A girl i know works with a polish lad, who drank a bottle of vodka and 15 cans of beer, then got in his car, crashed in to a petrol thing at a garage. He had a fake licence, no insurance, tax and NCT. He got a two year suspended sentence, no fine, no jail time, he got away with it scot free - so what does that tell you

togster

irishbird wrote: »

so what does that tell you

That a polish guy got hammered and drove into a petrol pump. I know an Irish guy who rolled his jeep and put it in a ditch. He was hammered. The cops came but one of them knew his dad. So he got of scot free. He had no licence either. What does that tell ya?

Sherifu

Tha Gopher wrote: »

btw I people got banned here lately for shouting racist for no reason, so as you know......

I love to know wtf you are talking about. Is that some kind of half assed warning?

Are you a mod of AH now? :pac:

You seem to be preoccupied with racism.

ojewriej

I think it's important that the driver of the other car was foreign, as it will certainly influence the case. The driver probably won't be punished as he should be, as there is no system in place. Same way as you wouldn't be punished properly if you'd caused an accident in Poland. As I mentioned before, look at the case of the Irish solicitor who killed someone in Hungary, he got of on a ridiculus technicality.

@ninty9er - Polish insurance isn't crap, it's the same as Irish. But it is harder to deal with the companies due to the distance and sometimes language barier.

@tomster - Gopher caught you. You are giving out about people generalising about Poles, or Eastern Europeans, yet you "Totally agree" with someone saying that Romas are "the nastyest,most horrible people on earth".

That's a bit hypocritical.

_feedback_

togster wrote: »

That a polish guy got hammered and drove into a petrol pump. I know an Irish guy who rolled his jeep and put it in a ditch. He was hammered. The cops came but one of them knew his dad. So he got of scot free. He had no licence either. What does that tell ya?

That the justice system is f*cked, but people would prefer to blame polish people for everything that goes wrong in the country??? Am I right? Am I ? Am I ?

thebman

tomster wrote: »

Hahaha, why? Let them go, it becomes funny at this stage

2 years ago I was waiting on the trafic lights when a car driven by a drunk Polish guy (his drunk Irish friend was a passenger) crashed into the back of my car. My car got totally wrecked (insurance company took it for scrap, was no point to repair it), guy ran away from the scene - long story short: had loads of toubles with it, lost loads of money and had loads of sleeples nights.

I'm Polish myself, and after reading some of the above comments posted by frustrated bigots I think I'll better stop paying overpriced Irish rent to my Irish landlord's pocket, I will stop paying Irish taxes (PAYE, VAT, etc.) that mainly support Irish people (% - quite simple maths) and I will just leave this little island, giving you your "bleeeedin jaaab" back. Ready to stick it up...

Christ...

Polish driver crashed into my car - driving ban for Poles! As I am Polish I will go tomorrow to the nearest Garda Station to apply for a ban for myself. And will cancel my insurance simply because if

"THEY drive without insurance"

means

" THEY ALL drive without insurance"

I don't wanna be different... like a freak having NCT, tax and insurance.

Loose the head much? I'm sure there is racist speech in the thread but if you don't like it, report it to mods rather than going off on a rant about it.

The thread is simply about drivers from other parts of Europe and how there is no process to deal with the small percentage of them that are driving without the proper documents and driving inappropriately/dangerously. Not all of them and generally people making generalizations like that don't mean all either, they are just doing a bad job of explaining themselves.

Its a perfectly valid thread IMO and any political correctness police that want to come in and say that because the word Polish appears in the thread title that it is automatically a racist, hate thread should be kindly shown the exit.

In the case of the OP, it was a Polish person and while that has probably not discouraged singling out Polish people, there was nothing wrong with mentioning it. There is just a problem with people make broad, inaccurate statements like all Polish people cause all accidents on our roads.

/lets himself out of the thread

teetotaller

irishbird wrote: »

A girl i know works with a polish lad, who drank a bottle of vodka and 15 cans of beer, then got in his car,

wow that polish lad is my new hero !!!! I checked with virtual alcohol tester - monitor screen became black, and I read information, that if somebody would drink so much - he would die

irishbird - ask that girl u know whe she didn't stop that fecker ( am I right thinking that if she knows how much he drank - she was standing next to him all the time ? )

tomster

ojewriej wrote: »

@tomster - Gopher caught you. You are giving out about people generalising about Poles, or Eastern Europeans, yet you "Totally agree" with someone saying that Romas are "the nastyest,most horrible people on earth".

That's a bit hypocritical.

Bulsithe man.

I did not highlight what part of that post I agree in particular and that was my only mistake. YES, I MADE A MISTAKE BECAUSE I DID NOT HIGHLIGHT PARTICULAR SENTENCE I AGREE WITH. From the other perspective im proud of bringing His (Gopher's) attention. Class...

Now, I think I need to say a word about all this "racist" crap goin on in this (and not only) thread. I'l repeat myself, but if someone mentiones "Polish" in the thread that puts the Polish person in a bad light - grand - IT IS NOT RACISM! If someone does the same to Irish, Jewish, black, yellow, pink or blue people - IT IS NOT RACISM! It is simply pointing out bad things (mostly to defend ourselves, decent EU citizens) and at this stage I would refer to the post from the thread that Gopher mentioned: People are not allowed to sort or to critisise bad things, because they are gonna be accused/punished for RACISM by their own goverments (that are under strong EU influence). I am against it. I want to be able to say not just: "this Polish/Irish lad stole me mobile!"... I would like to be FREE and say "This Nigerian stole me mobile" without being accused for racism. Sometimes "tolerance" and "correctnes" go too far.

As being Polish lad, FFS people - please point out our Polish weaknesses as I do if needed! Be brave and speak loud about people all nationalities/colours who are bad and got you in trouble, and I swear to God I'll be always fighting right people's corner. But for God's sake, if you wanna post crap like "Polish/German/Indian/Black/etc. go home" because of one, two or even 100 issues that happend to yous - let me response:

Jail all Irish, because one of them murdered! Jail all Irish, because one of them is selling drugs! Cut balls of all Irish men, as one of them is a rapist!

Peace.

PS: For those who don't know how does the real racism look like: go to Africa. Enjoy. And I am saying again: if someone finds my posts racist/offensive - ban me, please.

ojewriej

tomster wrote: »

Bulsithe man.

I did not highlight what part of that post I agree in particular and that was my only mistake. YES, I MADE A MISTAKE BECAUSE I DID NOT HIGHLIGHT PARTICULAR SENTENCE I AGREE WITH. From the other perspective im proud of bringing His (Gopher's) attention. Class...

Bull**** is bit of a strong word, seeing how you said you totally agree with the post on question. But no problem, I'll give you benefit of a doubt, and believe that you only agreed with certain points in it.

Anyway, the thing is that you are the one screaming loudest about "The Racism", I think you are getting a bit too agitated, blowing the whole thing out of proportion a little bit. You are right, people are often accused of racism for no reason, but you are taking things bit too far the other way. You are not a first foreign person here, we know all the arguments, the thread is about something else, let it go.

Peace