Universe Revealed! [SPOILERS!] LOL!!!!

senordingdong

User45701 wrote: »

Thats interesting but they give a good reason for them not being in it in the show, the gouauld wiped out almost their whole species because they cant be taken as hosts so the few that whrere l;eft where either in hiding or trying to erridacate the human population

And invisible....

Pepe LeFrits

Stargate is still a fine cash machine but it is slowly being run into the ground in a similar manner to that which was done to Star Trek.

The ‘universe’ that they have developed is becoming a burden rather than a benefit. The writers of the show are now burdened by a long list of bad plot developments that cannot be undone. For example, they’ve completely ruined a great foe in the Goa’uld, in a way that draws comparison to what Star Trek: Voyager did to the Borg. With every episode it gets further away from the grounded, ‘what if?’ premise that Stargate SG1 originally held, and takes a step further towards being yet another generic Star Trek clone space opera.

Atlantis is still ‘watchable’, but that only gets you so far. I believe that we will see diminishing returns with ‘Universe’ and that the Stargate franchise will ultimately run out of steam. It is only a matter of time. The franchise has jumped the shark.

Water Sprite

I don't know if they ruined a great foe in the Goa'uld - I think there just wasn't any place left to go with that storyline. The Goa'uld were no longer invincible because of new and better technology given to us by the Asgard and other advanced races. Plus, we ended up forming alliances with some of the Goa'uld - even if they made uneasy bedfellows.

I think TPTB did a pretty good job coming back with the Ori - who were much closer to actually being invincible than the Goa'uld.

I also have to give the Stargate franchise credit for lasting so long. Ten years is a loooonng time to hold interest in sci-fi fandom. I think at this point, with the two new movies coming out - it's more about the relationship dynamics between the team, both original and secondary. That's why I would want to see those movies.

Pepe LeFrits

Water Sprite wrote: »

I don't know if they ruined a great foe in the Goa'uld - I think there just wasn't any place left to go with that storyline. The Goa'uld were no longer invincible because of new and better technology given to us by the Asgard and other advanced races. Plus, we ended up forming alliances with some of the Goa'uld - even if they made uneasy bedfellows.

Like I said, they ruined the Goa'uld.

ixoy

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Like I said, they ruined the Goa'uld.

How would you have handled them though ultimately? Given the story had to last ten seasons, during which they gained new technologies, etc? Would you have stretched it out, say had Apophis' or Baal's empire grow and grow and use Asgard technologies against Earth? Some sort of major running battle?

I think they handled it fairly well, although there is indeed almost a pathetic comical aspect to the Goa'uld now in Baal - sort of jokingly harmless. I'm not really sure how they can change that though and I think the general arc was reasonably decent, although I would probably not have had them ultimately defeated by the replicators.

As to the longer-term aspect... I still think the franchise has life in it. I'm not convinced by the premise for Universe and might have felt something closer to Stargate Command could have worked but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. Personally, the second half of S4 of SGA was very good (IMO) and so I think the writers are still capable of bringing us an enjoyable show.

Pepe LeFrits

The Goa'uld were always beaten way too easily and regularly in SG1 which ultimately spoiled them as they weren't a credible threat. They’d introduce a new big, bad Goa’uld who had been alive for thousands of years, and then kill him with a P90 in the next episode.

The plot development of humans suddenly being able to build interstellar starships like Prometheus was also a bad call.

Sherifu

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

The Goa'uld were always beaten way too easily and regularly in SG1 which ultimately spoiled them as they weren't a credible threat. They’d introduce a new big, bad Goa’uld who had been alive for thousands of years, and then kill him with a P90 in the next episode.

Which ones did they do that to?

Pepe LeFrits

Hyperbole.

Sherifu

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Hyperbole.

Right...

The only one I remember being killed in 1 episode was Imotep[Kytano] and he sucked anyway. Wasn't a powerful dude at all.

User45701

Thats true, They did go on a killing spree around season 4 though, Heraurer, Cronos & Apophis.
That wa sa great story though "The deaths of cronos & apophis created a power vacum that the remaining gouauld have been trying to exploit in the last several months they have expended a enormous number of ships and recources fighting amougst themselves..."

The gouauld are the best baddies though, much better than the replicators or the Ori. The wraith arnt bad though just not as good.

Nerin

the episode i was talking about with the lizaed folk was on this week, Scorched Earth

User45701

Ye, there music was good i thought

senordingdong

I imagine the writers felt that the characters can't go up against an unstoppable foe and outwit them with inferior technology every week. They progressed the story abit and so I don't think the ships thing was too bad.
But the constant new enemies, then re-releasing of old enemies. Coupled with the new super weapon of the week...

Overheal

Superweapons are cool. I get bored by watching the same sequence of exchange between P90s and staff weapons.

senordingdong

Overheal wrote: »

Superweapons are cool. I get bored by watching the same sequence of exchange between P90s and staff weapons.

Haha no way!
That stuff really get's my motor running!
Like the opening of 'Secrets' or 'Heroes' or 'The Fifth Man' or 'Small Victories' or 'Enemy Mine'.

Awesome!

User45701

Ye but i liked the episode with the eyes, - When anubis had them all and defeated the system lord fleet - then it was a bit too death starey with the direct shot to blow up the weapon but still good

senordingdong

In fairness there are countless Star Wars homages in Stargate.

User45701

Ye, Star trek too

one of my fav lines was

Carter: Sir we cant call it the enterprise (talking about names for the prometheus)

i loled and milk went everywhere

Sherifu

A lot of the star trek references are mentioned here. Didn't realise there were so many 'till I started reading them.

Overheal

McKay: It's not as simple as that [dialing to Atlantis]: we need the Zed-PM

Jack: The what?

Daniel: ZPM






Daniel: He's Canadian.

Jack: I'm sorry.

No there were some awesome action scenes dont get me wrong but most of the time it just seems so... stock footage. The episode with Doctor Frasier for example? Now that was a serious amount of action. I can think of a few more but I don't wanna ruin anything for those who havent seen it all yet (you DVD watching bastard - you know who you are )

User45701

Hmm

2 i am ashemed to say i had missed

Tour of the SGC during 2010. When Carter and Daniel are in the "Embarcation Room", there a guy with sunglasses (not O'Neill) in the background posing for a picture using the Vulcan "Live Long and Prosper" salute. O'Neill also attempts it in Evolution, Part 1.

Dont know how i missed the 2010 one as its a great ep i have seen many times

and i also didnt get the one (episode they introduce Lord Konsu)

He is wearing red and he dies the same episode

Sherifu

I'd missed a few of them. I vaguely remember them behind Konsu when I try to remember.

JIZZLORD

speaking of sunglasses. why does o'neill always wear odd ones. ye know the ones i mean

User45701

Can you picture him with Matrix style "hip/cool" glases? anyone good at photoshop? i bet they dont suit him at all.

Water Sprite

JIZZLORD wrote: »

speaking of sunglasses. why does o'neill always wear odd ones. ye know the ones i mean

Actually, those sunglasses are named after the show - the Wiley-X SG-1 sunglasses / WX-SG-SG-1.

I think they're often used for military purposes especially in desert environments since they also protect peripheral vision.

Overheal

User45701 wrote: »

Can you picture him with Matrix style "hip/cool" glases? anyone good at photoshop? i bet they dont suit him at all.

I dont need to be half decent at photoshop to tell you that is a really bad idea.

chopperbyrne

Overheal wrote: »

I dont need to be half decent at photoshop to tell you that is a really bad idea.

Nice little Knight Sabre you drew there.

User45701

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