Real to offer £100 million for Ronaldo

jank

Fergie would bite the hand of madrid if he was offered that money!
Seriously 100M!

I would sell. He is not going to get any better, Football is a fickle sport. One moment you are the king, 12 months later you end up like ronaldihno! (i remember here people were saying that he was better then Maradona, he cant even get his game now!)

Sell him to buy again, United would be crazy not to.

Anyway i heard that real and barca are trying to take advantage of a new Uefa ruling where by a club can buy out a contract of a player if it has 2 years left.

C ronaldo wants to sign a new contract for 140K a week! if not then they risk losing him for a little over 10 Million. he is going to leave some day so why not not when his form is best?

As i said football is a fickle sport! Fans would be crazy to think that he will be this good for the next 7 years. These things dont happen in football

Boggles

Unearthly wrote: »

How are Madrid a mess? Won the league last season and 7 points clear this season in the league. If that's a mess, I would love to be in a mess

Supposed to be the worst La Liga in recent times. They are 7 points clear with 7 loses and 3 draws, last year they won the league with 8 loses and 7 draws.

They finished runners up in their CL group which was made up of 3 other very average teams, and were eliminated in the quarters by a poor Roma outfit.

They have poor finances, although the King of Spain could rectifiy that with a wave of his Staff.

Dont be at yourself

Also, you couldn't buy somebody for 50 million to replace Ronaldos worth

There is no player you could buy to replace Ronaldo at Man Utd. However, that Glazers may look at it more pragmatically - can they sell Ronaldo for 100 million, spend 50 or 60 million on the likes of Alves, Diego, Silva or whoever, and still win the league and challenge for the Champions League? If so, it makes business sense to sell Ronaldo.

I don't think it will happen though. Ronaldo has said (as recently as two years ago) that he wants to go to Madrid, but I doubt he'd move when he's playing in the best footballing team in the world. I also doubt Real would spend 100 million on him, when there are far more pressing concerns in their squad. Their strike force consists of an aging Van Nistelrooy, with Raul also clocking up the years, Saviola likely to move in the summer and Soldado not good enough.

PHB

Madrid are a mess of a club Constantly changing managers, constantly changing presidents, constantly changing everything.
Also they just took out something like a 30 million loan to cover their current expenses. They buy players they don't know, sign free transfers they'll never use, and in general are an absolute mess.
They haven't challenged in the CL in years, and Roma knocked them out this year, Roma who United just beat 3-0 at a canter, without even playing Ronaldo!

La Liga ain't that great in terms of competitiveness. They are 7 points clear, but they keeo ****ing up, it's just the other clubs **** up more.

Any club that is willing to spend 100 million on one player are a bunch of absolute idiots. Even Chelsea wouldn't do that!!!
While I think this story is a load of crap, it wouldn't surprise me to see Real do this. They are the Harchester United of the footballing world, a soap opera.

As for United, if it was reinvested in the squad, even if only half of it was, it still wouldn't make business sense. He's too much of a marketing property. Beckham made back his transfer fee in something like 4 months. Ronaldo has that potential.

Also, United aren't a selling club, and Fergie would never sanction it. And if he was overruled, he'd instantly resign imo. And then the club would be royally ****ed. Ronaldo is the one truly untouchable player at UNited.

Until Ronaldo wants to go himself, he'll stay. When he goes, it'll be for a record transfer fee I think, beating Zidanes record.
When will he go? I think he will go at the end of this teams cycle. When Carrick, Hargreaves, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra are all ending their careers, which will be in 3-4 years. At that age he'll be 27, Fergie will also defo be gone, and will then move on I'd say.

He is not going to get any better

Personally I think he is. I still think he has a good bit to add to his game, and I think he is working on it all the time.

Ronaldinho imo is harshly done by in the current press, but Ronaldo has a desire and determination far beyond Ronaldinho ever had.

Xavi6

PHB wrote: »

Madrid are a mess of a club Constantly changing managers, constantly changing presidents, constantly changing everything.
Also they just took out something like a 30 million loan to cover their current expenses. They buy players they don't know, sign free transfers they'll never use, and in general are an absolute mess.

Any examples?

This is Madrid's transfers in for this season -

Pepe D Brazil FC Porto
Roberto Soldado F Spain Osasuna (Loan Return)
Jerzy Dudek G Poland Liverpool (Free Transfer)
Christoph Metzelder F Germany Borussia Dortmund (Free Transfer)
Julio Baptista F Brazil Arsenal (Loan Return)
Javier Balboa M Spain Racing (Loan Return)
Royston Drenthe M Holland Feyenoord (14m Euros)
Wesley Snijder M Holland Ajax (26m Euros)
Arjen Robben M Holland Chelsea (36m Euros)
Gabriel Heinze D Argentina Manchester United (12m Euros)

Bunch of no-namers alright.

And sure lets look at 2006/07 while we're at it -

Reyes F Spain Arsenal
Diarra M Mali Lyon
Cannavaro D Italy Juventus
Emerson M Brazil Juventus
van Nistelrooy F Holland Manchester United
Marcelo D Brazil Fluminese
Fernando Gago M Argentina Boca Juniors
Gonzalo Higuain F Argentina River Plate

Heard of any of them?

PHB wrote: »

They haven't challenged in the CL in years, and Roma knocked them out this year, Roma who United just beat 3-0 at a canter, without even playing Ronaldo!

Could say the same about United tbh. Aside from last year they haven't done much since 1999, even failing to get out of the group stages.

PHB wrote: »

La Liga ain't that great in terms of competitiveness. They are 7 points clear, but they keeo ****ing up, it's just the other clubs **** up more.

Or it could be argued that the standard of teams in La Liga overall is better than the Premiership and it is therefore harder to win.

PHB wrote: »

Any club that is willing to spend 100 million on one player are a bunch of absolute idiots. Even Chelsea wouldn't do that!!!
While I think this story is a load of crap, it wouldn't surprise me to see Real do this. They are the Harchester United of the footballing world, a soap opera.

Maybe two or three years ago but certainly not now that the Galacticos are gone.

PHB

Xavi6 wrote: »

Any examples?

Heard of any of them?

Sorry, meant to say need. They buy players they don't even need.

Could say the same about United tbh. Aside from last year they haven't done much since 1999, even failing to get out of the group stages.

You could, except for the last 2 years, i.e. the current team, we've been knocked out by AC Milan, once in the semis, and are now going into the semis facing Barca.

Also, to re-iterate, they just got knocked out by Roma, a team United beat at a canter.

Or it could be argued that the standard of teams in La Liga overall is better than the Premiership and it is therefore harder to win.

It could, but it'd be bull****. The reason Madrid keep dropping points is because their defence is a joke. It's why Roma beat them, because they are a very beatable team.
Even Barcas defence is pretty average!

Maybe two or three years ago but certainly not now that the Galacticos are gone.

Yeh? They are linked with players for 100 million. They signed Saviola last year, for utterly no reason whatsoever!
Their president was elected promising to sign Kaka Fabregas and Ronaldo. He has recently said he won't be able to sign anyone for the foreseeable future!

They are a joke of a club. They don't think about money. Except this time it's going to **** them over, because the socialists are in charge, and the government won't be so eager to fund them by buying their training ground for an extortionate rate.

Oh, and to top it off, they just fired Capello! After he won them the league. And it's not the first time they've done this!

Xavi6

PHB wrote: »

Sorry, meant to say need. They buy players they don't even need.

Fair enough.

PHB wrote: »

You could, except for the last 2 years, i.e. the current team, we've been knocked out by AC Milan, once in the semis, and are now going into the semis facing Barca.

Also, to re-iterate, they just got knocked out by Roma, a team United beat at a canter.

Who's to say that with Ronaldo on board that Madrid can't be where United are now in two years? They also have some quality young players in the likes of Gago, Sneijder, Robinho, Robben (when fit) etc. Ronaldo may be the piece of the puzzle needed.

PHB wrote: »

It could, but it'd be bull****. The reason Madrid keep dropping points is because their defence is a joke. It's why Roma beat them, because they are a very beatable team.
Even Barcas defence is pretty average!

Every team is a 'beatable' team in European competition. Roma had Totti when they played Madrid. They didn't when they played United and he is quite the tallisman. I'm not saying Roma would have won but it certainly would have made a difference.

PHB wrote: »

Yeh? They are linked with players for 100 million. They signed Saviola last year, for utterly no reason whatsoever!

Saviola, imo, was signed based on the form of Raul last year and the year before. The guy was going through a rough spell and Madrid weren't to know that he was going to be as sensational as he has been this year. Plus Saviola cost nothing so where's the problem there?

PHB wrote: »

Their president was elected promising to sign Kaka Fabregas and Ronaldo. He has recently said he won't be able to sign anyone for the foreseeable future!

Everybody makes promises when they're trying to be elected, no matter what presidential race it is. Kaka and Fabregas were never going to go and chances are ornaldo won't either. Fans like when clubs talk to the talk and as long as the team keeps winning La Liga those same fans will be happy.

PHB wrote: »

They are a joke of a club. They don't think about money. Except this time it's going to **** them over, because the socialists are in charge, and the government won't be so eager to fund them by buying their training ground for an extortionate rate.

Why would they when they know that their debts will be cleared for them anyway?

PHB wrote: »

Oh, and to top it off, they just fired Capello! After he won them the league. And it's not the first time they've done this!

Hasn't really affected them in the league though has it?

CHD

eZe^ wrote: »

Correct, the King of Spain wrote off a huge debt for them.

Its also against the law for Real to be relegated.Its in the constitution or something!!! anyway yea there not allowed be relegated from La Liga.

The Royal family reguraly pumps money into madrid.

Mr.Nice Guy

I agree with jank. Football can be a fickle and cruel game. We've seen in the past how injuries have curtailed players in a big way. Imagine if Ronaldo - God forbid - was to suffer a severe Gascoigne-like injury that hampered him. From an Irish perspective we've seen how injuries have f*cked over Damien Duff in a big way too.

That's why I think it's crazy to pin your hopes on one player. Hell, look at what happened to Eduardo.

Any club willing to fork out £100m on a player are off their rocker.

MisterAnarchy

Boggles wrote: »

Business analysis have predicted he will be more marketable than Tiger Woods, which isn't a bad prediction considering football is infinately larger than the golf market will ever be.

Really ? Those business analysts can predict almost anything these days it seems.
Tiger Woods is in a league of his own.
The golf equipment market is the largest of any sports market in the world.

Mad_Max

chdpoker wrote: »

Its also against the law for Real to be relegated.Its in the constitution or something!!! anyway yea there not allowed be relegated from La Liga.

The Royal family reguraly pumps money into madrid.

Is that for real :eek: Thats unreal.

Xavi6

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I agree with jank. Football can be a fickle and cruel game. We've seen in the past how injuries have curtailed players in a big way. Imagine if Ronaldo - God forbid - was to suffer a severe Gascoigne-like injury that hampered him. From an Irish perspective we've seen how injuries have f*cked over Damien Duff in a big way too.

That's why I think it's crazy to pin your hopes on one player. Hell, look at what happened to Eduardo.

Any club willing to fork out £100m on a player are off their rocker.

And by your example, any club who would turn down £100m would also be off their rocker?

CHD

Mad_Max wrote: »

Is that for real :eek: Thats unreal.

it is! but i cant see it being upheld if they ever got relegated.

Mr.Nice Guy

Xavi6 wrote: »

And by your example, any club who would turn down £100m would also be off their rocker?

Yeah I would say so. Too good to turn down.

eZe^

PHB wrote: »

Sorry, meant to say need. They buy players they don't even need.



You could, except for the last 2 years, i.e. the current team, we've been knocked out by AC Milan, once in the semis, and are now going into the semis facing Barca.

Also, to re-iterate, they just got knocked out by Roma, a team United beat at a canter.



It could, but it'd be bull****. The reason Madrid keep dropping points is because their defence is a joke. It's why Roma beat them, because they are a very beatable team.
Even Barcas defence is pretty average!



Yeh? They are linked with players for 100 million. They signed Saviola last year, for utterly no reason whatsoever!
Their president was elected promising to sign Kaka Fabregas and Ronaldo. He has recently said he won't be able to sign anyone for the foreseeable future!

They are a joke of a club. They don't think about money. Except this time it's going to **** them over, because the socialists are in charge, and the government won't be so eager to fund them by buying their training ground for an extortionate rate.

Oh, and to top it off, they just fired Capello! After he won them the league. And it's not the first time they've done this!

Xavi6 wrote: »

Fair enough.



Who's to say that with Ronaldo on board that Madrid can't be where United are now in two years? They also have some quality young players in the likes of Gago, Sneijder, Robinho, Robben (when fit) etc. Ronaldo may be the piece of the puzzle needed.



Every team is a 'beatable' team in European competition. Roma had Totti when they played Madrid. They didn't when they played United and he is quite the tallisman. I'm not saying Roma would have won but it certainly would have made a difference.



Saviola, imo, was signed based on the form of Raul last year and the year before. The guy was going through a rough spell and Madrid weren't to know that he was going to be as sensational as he has been this year. Plus Saviola cost nothing so where's the problem there?



Everybody makes promises when they're trying to be elected, no matter what presidential race it is. Kaka and Fabregas were never going to go and chances are ornaldo won't either. Fans like when clubs talk to the talk and as long as the team keeps winning La Liga those same fans will be happy.



Why would they when they know that their debts will be cleared for them anyway?



Hasn't really affected them in the league though has it?

You both make excellent points tbh. Madrid have spent wayyyyy too much in the market these past two years. Was it about 100M last year? And most of those signings have flopped big time, Metzelder has played literally 30 minutes of football, Robben has been promising, but injured way too much. Baptista on his return doesnt know whether he's coming or going squad wise, Saviola was brought in just to piss of their rivals. Pepe has had some fantastic games, but also some absolute shockers. Heinze has been quite solid to be fair to them.


All this aside, for the amount of times people call Madrid a joke, there is no question that they are the biggest team in the world. They are the richest, they are the most sucessful domestically and internationally. They have won the competition 3 times in the past 10 years, thats more the Man Utd or Barcelona have in their history. They have 30 (soon to be 31 league titles), has any club anywhere in the top leagues of Europe near to that much domination domestically? I know that they had alot of dodgy dealings back in the 50's with fixing and stuff like that because of the civil war and Franco, but thats for anothers day discussion.

And again, I still definitely think the standard of teams bar the top 4 is better in Spain. Look at Getafe, they were robbed by Bayern Munich, one of the biggest clubs in world football. They are also in the Copa Del Rey final for the 2nd year in a row, last year they got to the final by beating Barcelona in their stadium 4-0 (coming back from a 5-2 loss in the first leg, that was the game Messi scored 'that goal' in). All this when standing in 12th place. Is it Newcastle who are the equivalent 12th place EPL team? I rest my case.

IrishMike

eZe^ wrote: »

You both make excellent points tbh. Madrid have spent wayyyyy too much in the market these past two years. Was it about 100M last year? And most of those signings have flopped big time, Metzelder has played literally 30 minutes of football, Robben has been promising, but injured way too much. Baptista on his return doesnt know whether he's coming or going squad wise, Saviola was brought in just to piss of their rivals. Pepe has had some fantastic games, but also some absolute shockers. Heinze has been quite solid to be fair to them.


All this aside, for the amount of times people call Madrid a joke, there is no question that they are the biggest team in the world. They are the richest, they are the most sucessful domestically and internationally. They have won the competition 3 times in the past 10 years, thats more the Man Utd or Barcelona have in their history. They have 30 (soon to be 31 league titles), has any club anywhere in the top leagues of Europe near to that much domination domestically? I know that they had alot of dodgy dealings back in the 50's with fixing and stuff like that because of the civil war and Franco, but thats for anothers day discussion.

And again, I still definitely think the standard of teams bar the top 4 is better in Spain. Look at Getafe, they were robbed by Bayern Munich, one of the biggest clubs in world football. They are also in the Copa Del Rey final for the 2nd year in a row, last year they got to the final by beating Barcelona in their stadium 4-0 (coming back from a 5-2 loss in the first leg, that was the game Messi scored 'that goal' in). All this when standing in 12th place. Is it Newcastle who are the equivalent 12th place EPL team? I rest my case.

Top quality post.
Have to say i agree with almost everything that you have written.
Oh and Getafe should have beaten Bayern with 10 men, which makes
their progress even more impressive.

astrofool

Newcastle are a joke club, they can't be used to conclusively prove anything other than how deluded a club can be.

You have to remember with the premier league, the top 4 are such a success that they usually go through the group stage, avoiding the uefa cup, which pushes down the quality of English team that could be present. Even at that, English clubs have done relatively well in Europe the last few years, getting to the final, and semi's, and this year missing out due to penalties. Bolton also put up a good match against Bayern, so it's hard to see what the point is here?

It's took almost a decade for the english clubs to start performing in Europe again after being left out during the 80's/90's, and it now looks like it's starting to filter down the league, with the likes of Everton and Tottenham establishing themselves as UEFA cup regulars, and having the ability to take on the European sides (which they had very little previous experience of).

Boggles

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Really ? Those business analysts can predict almost anything these days it seems.

Yeah it's there job, there not clairvoyants, it's more of an educated opinon, I'd even suggest more education then you in the world markets. Could be wrong thou.

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Tiger Woods is in a league of his own.

Yes at the moment he is, no one stays top for ever thou. Thats why they said he has the potential to surpass.

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The golf equipment market is the largest of any sports market in the world.

Well if that is indeed true, I am shocked. Have you figures to back that up, because it isn't in the top 10 of the worlds most played or watched sports.

The football market is estimated at 3.5 billion, people who watch and play the game.

Lets concede what you say is correct and the golf equipment market is the largest sports market in the world, doesn't matter a damn, because the likes of Pepsi would trump it with any commericial offer.

Tiger is shaving with Gillette in his latest commercial venture, but because of their association with a certain club I have switched to Wilkinson Sword and now support Ernie Els.

Boggles

chdpoker wrote: »

Its also against the law for Real to be relegated.Its in the constitution or something!!! anyway yea there not allowed be relegated from La Liga.

The Royal family reguraly pumps money into madrid.

Are you sure about that, I thought it was Real Madrid B could not be promoted?

Mitch Connor

Boggles wrote: »

Are you sure about that, I thought it was Real Madrid B could not be promoted?

no B team can be promoted.

IrishMike

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah it's there job, there not clairvoyants, it's more of an educated opinon, I'd even suggest more education then you in the world markets. Could be wrong thou.

May i ask what market analysts said that Ronaldo could be the most marketable sportsman on earth?
How is he ahead of Beckham or Ronaldinho?
And both of them combined are not as universally marketable as Tiger Woods.
The US market is worth a lot more than the entire of Asia put toghether.
There are not many people in China willing to pay €200 for a pair of Nike boots
or the lastest United away strip, but there are millions of yanks willing
to buy a $400 Nike driver or an $70 Nike Golf top.
There is no possible way a soccer player, any of them, could generate the
revenues that Woods can.

Boggles

Xavi6 wrote: »

Every team is a 'beatable' team in European competition. Roma had Totti when they played Madrid. They didn't when they played United and he is quite the tallisman. I'm not saying Roma would have won but it certainly would have made a difference.

Totti is a spent force I'm afraid, not the tallisman anymore. I watched both those matches and he was beyond bad. Should have been taken off, but similar to Raul he is untouchable. When you have players who are undroppable at a club whether they perform or not, that club is in trouble.

Totti brings nothing to the Roma party and is certainly not good enough anymore to have made any sort of difference against United. So in my opinon that arguement is flawed.

Madrid are certainly not a joke but I have laughed out loud at some of their defending this year.

eZe^

Boggles wrote: »

Are you sure about that, I thought it was Real Madrid B could not be promoted?

No, I think youre getting something mixed up. The rule is a B team cant be promoted to the same division as their first team (for obvious reasons). They can however be promoted to the first teams division IF the first team is relegated (in essence the B team goes up as the first team goes down, thus never coming in contact), but in that case the B team should really be the first team as they are in a higher division... Bit of a catch22.. hahah

I know i know, confusing...

Boggles wrote: »

Totti is a spent force I'm afraid, not the tallisman anymore. I watched both those matches and he was beyond bad. Should have been taken off, but similar to Raul he is untouchable. When you have players who are undroppable at a club whether they perform or not, that club is in trouble.

Totti brings nothing to the Roma party and is certainly not good enough anymore to have made any sort of difference against United. So in my opinon that arguement is flawed.

Madrid are certainly not a joke but I have laughed out loud at some of their defending this year.

I have to disagree, he was the European golden boot last season. And against Madrid he had this air about him that he has as much time on the ball as he wanted, he acted like Riquelme, slowing down the game to the pace he wanted to play it. Sign of a good player imo.

Boggles

IrishMike wrote: »

May i ask what market analysts said that Ronaldo could be the most marketable sportsman on earth?
How is he ahead of Beckham or Ronaldinho?
And both of them combined are not as universally marketable as Tiger Woods.
The US market is worth a lot more than the entire of Asia put toghether.
There are not many people in China willing to pay €200 for a pair of Nike boots
or the lastest United away strip, but there are millions of yanks willing
to buy a $400 Nike driver or an $70 Nike Golf top.
There is no possible way a soccer player, any of them, could generate the
revenues that Woods can.

2 page story in one of the papers last weekend.

Mr. Presentable

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3404583,00.html



If there is truth in this - and who knows at this stage - it throws up a lot of interesting questions. Is Ronaldo worth that much money? Would he fit in at Madrid? Would Fergie want to cash in? Would the Glaziers want to cash in? Would Ronaldo want to move? Who could replace him?

I wouldnt be surprised if Madrid did go for him. They have said recently that they weren't going to be spending big money in the summer, but their squad is stagnant. He'd be a huge addition to the side, and would adapt well to La Liga. It's big money, but if anyone would spend such a sum, it would be Madrid.

I don't think there's any argument that he's the best player in the Premiership, perhaps the world, so would Man Utd sell him? Man Utd aren't short of attacking players as it is, and 100 million could go a long, long way to improving the whole squad. Ronaldo himself is probably close to irreplaceable, but they could pick up the likes of Diego, David Silva, Dani Alves and Huntelaar and probably still have change! I wouldnt be surprised if Fergie wanted to cash in, though I would be surprised if the Glaziers went above his head and sold him against his wishes.

What do the Man Utd fans on here think? Would you sell him if Madrid came calling with a huge offer like that?

It's tabloid talk - nothing more than speculation

He's not irreplaceable - did they win nothing before he arrived?

If the offer were made I'd say they'd take the hand off Real. He could break a leg next week and be finished.

Of course he'd want to move. A Latin city, sunshine, even higher celeb status.

Xavi6

Boggles wrote: »

Totti is a spent force I'm afraid, not the tallisman anymore. I watched both those matches and he was beyond bad. Should have been taken off, but similar to Raul he is untouchable. When you have players who are undroppable at a club whether they perform or not, that club is in trouble.

Totti brings nothing to the Roma party and is certainly not good enough anymore to have made any sort of difference against United. So in my opinon that arguement is flawed.

Madrid are certainly not a joke but I have laughed out loud at some of their defending this year.

ROFL at this.

Spent force? The guy who scored 32 goals in 50 games last year and 17 in 32 this season so far?

Oh lets not forget that he was Italian Footballer of the Year for 2007.

Yes the guy is clearly past it and couldn't offer anything to what was a lacklustre Roma attack :rolleyes:

Boggles

Xavi6 wrote: »

ROFL at this.

Spent force? The guy who scored 32 goals in 50 games last year and 17 in 32 this season so far?

Oh lets not forget that he was Italian Footballer of the Year for 2007.

Yes the guy is clearly past it and couldn't offer anything to what was a lacklustre Roma attack :rolleyes:

Italian Footballer of the Year, Italian League.

He scored one in Europe this Season. I have watched him 7 or 8 times in the last 12 months in europe and have not been impressed.

I also said I watched the 2 games against Madrid and he should have been taken off.

Also more often than not he is the lone striker, free kick and penalty taker. One goal in europe thou, speaks volumes.

Boggles

nipplenuts wrote: »

He could break a leg next week and be finished.

Or he could go on and beat all kinds of records for the next 10 years.

Xavi6

Boggles wrote: »

Italian Footballer of the Year, Italian League.

He scored one in Europe this Season. I have watched him 7 or 8 times in the last 12 months in europe and have not been impressed.

I also said I watched the 2 games against Madrid and he should have been taken off.

Also more often than not he is the lone striker, free kick and penalty taker. One goal in europe thou, speaks volumes.

A lone striker who bags goals? Isn't that every manager's dream?

You said he was a spent force. He clearly isn't.

The same way Raul wasn't a spent force 14 months ago.

Boggles

Xavi6 wrote: »

A lone striker who bags goals? Isn't that every manager's dream?

You said he was a spent force. He clearly isn't.

The same way Raul wasn't a spent force 14 months ago.

I said from what I have seen, has he impressed you this season in europe?, I don't watch the Italian league, so can't comment on that. He has something like 13 league goals thou, including 4 or 5 penos. So 8 or 9 from play in what is considered a poor league, is hardly a world beater.

I can comment on what I seen of him and he has done nothing to impress, testiment to the fact he has one goal in europe.

I never mentioned Raul.

UnitedIrishman

nipplenuts wrote: »

It's tabloid talk - nothing more than speculation

He's not irreplaceable - did they win nothing before he arrived?

If the offer were made I'd say they'd take the hand off Real. He could break a leg next week and be finished.

Of course he'd want to move. A Latin city, sunshine, even higher celeb status.

He's priceless though, not just for his football talent but look at it from Glazer's point of view..

Ronaldo has been the major factor for us this season (and last season). He hasn't done it single handed but in certain games he hasn't been far off. So IF (and its a big if) we win the premiership and the Champions League the team (Ronaldo being a major part of that team) would have netted £60 million is it?

Then take into account any other trophies he may help us win in the next couple of years as well as the lucrative market that is sponsorship, shirt sales and merchandising of the Ronaldo brand (because really that's now what he is in a sales and marketing sense).

Regardless of feeling, would these business men really sell this limitless commodity?

As for the above sentiment about him wanting to move to be a bigger celebrity, how would you know exactly what he wants? I'm sure Ronaldo wants to win titles, and he can do that here. Leaving United to go to Madrid would be a step down at this point in time. Maybe in 4-5 years then he may decide to move on. But not now.

Boggles

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

As for the above sentiment about him wanting to move to be a bigger celebrity, how would you know exactly what he wants? I'm sure Ronaldo wants to win titles, and he can do that here. Leaving United to go to Madrid would be a step down at this point in time. Maybe in 4-5 years then he may decide to move on. But not now.

Plus he would have to learn Spanish and listening to him the other night, it sounds like he is only getting to grips with Manc!

PHB

People think about United as if he's some sort of stupid football. He's not. Every time he talks he appears to be very clever.

He wants to become the best player in the world. To do that, you probably need to play at two clubs for your career.
Teams go in cycles. The key is joining at the right times and leaving at the right times. Seedorf is a perfect example of this imo.

United are at the start of their current cycle, which will end when Ferdinaind, Hargreaves, Carrick, Evra, Vidic all go past their prime, which will be in about 3-4 years. At which point, Fergie will go.
At this point, Ronaldo wil have the choice. Stick with United in the rebuilding process, or move on. I'd say he will move on.

Can you tell me a club in the world where he has a better chance of doing the league and CL double this year? What about next year?

If you can, I'd say Ronaldo is thinking about going there.

Boggles

PHB wrote: »

People think about United as if he's some sort of stupid football. He's not. Every time he talks he appears to be very clever.

He wants to become the best player in the world. To do that, you probably need to play at two clubs for your career.
Teams go in cycles. The key is joining at the right times and leaving at the right times. Seedorf is a perfect example of this imo.

United are at the start of their current cycle, which will end when Ferdinaind, Hargreaves, Carrick, Evra, Vidic all go past their prime, which will be in about 3-4 years. At which point, Fergie will go.
At this point, Ronaldo wil have the choice. Stick with United in the rebuilding process, or move on. I'd say he will move on.

Can you tell me a club in the world where he has a better chance of doing the league and CL double this year? What about next year?

If you can, I'd say Ronaldo is thinking about going there.

That about sums it up.

Although if I were his agent and were to recieve 5% of 100 million, I'd be on the other side of the fence.

IrishMike

Boggles wrote: »

2 page story in one of the papers last weekend.

What paper may i ask?
A 2 page story in a tabloid such as NOTW or the Sun means **** all.
He is not the most marketable sportsman in the world.
He is not the most marketable sportsman in Europe.
He is not even the most marketable sportsman in European football.
To say he could be is pretty pointless.
I could say im going to win the lotto, could happen but chances are stacked against it!
To put it in context, Tiger woods makes as much from endorsements in a
year as Ronaldos world record fee of 100m which is also less than David
Beckhams total net worth.
Its like comparing a skoda to a ferrari, they are not even in the same ballpark!

Boggles

IrishMike wrote: »

What paper may i ask?
A 2 page story in a tabloid such as NOTW or the Sun means **** all.
He is not the most marketable sportsman in the world.
He is not the most marketable sportsman in Europe.
He is not even the most marketable sportsman in European football.
To say he could be is pretty pointless.
I could say im going to win the lotto, could happen but chances are stacked against it!
To put it in context, Tiger woods makes as much from endorsements in a
year as Ronaldos world record fee of 100m which is also less than David
Beckhams total net worth.
Its like comparing a skoda to a ferrari, they are not even in the same ballpark!

Ammm, we have 3 pages of debate currently on a tabloid story!

I wondfer if he moved to Spain could he come out with the Spanish equivalent of the word "polemic" and have the TV pundits jumping for their dictionaries. That was gas!

Xavi6

Boggles wrote: »

I said from what I have seen, has he impressed you this season in europe?, I don't watch the Italian league, so can't comment on that. He has something like 13 league goals thou, including 4 or 5 penos. So 8 or 9 from play in what is considered a poor league, is hardly a world beater.

I can comment on what I seen of him and he has done nothing to impress, testiment to the fact he has one goal in europe.

I never mentioned Raul.

You can't make a statement that someone is a spent force having seen them play 6 games out of a whole season. That's just plain silly.

Boggles

Xavi6 wrote: »

You can't make a statement that someone is a spent force having seen them play 6 games out of a whole season. That's just plain silly.

It was more than 6, what else can I base it on? I think 8 games is a good enough gauge on whether to rate a player or not. I'm sure players have been brought to clubs on less viewings than that.

Has Totti impressed you from what you have seen of him this season? Or have you seen him this season?

Edit.

I will watch him next season if I can and if he turns a corner, I will start a thread stating "Totti no longer Spent force" - Deal?

IrishMike

IrishMike wrote: »

What paper may i ask?
A 2 page story in a tabloid such as NOTW or the Sun means **** all.
He is not the most marketable sportsman in the world.
He is not the most marketable sportsman in Europe.
He is not even the most marketable sportsman in European football.
To say he could be is pretty pointless.
I could say im going to win the lotto, could happen but chances are stacked against it!
To put it in context, Tiger woods makes as much from endorsements in a
year as Ronaldos world record fee of 100m which is also less than David
Beckhams total net worth.
Its like comparing a skoda to a ferrari, they are not even in the same ballpark!

:rolleyes::rolleyes: Quote of the day so far, in terms of how misguided it is.

Ronaldo is 23. He has the potential. Do u understand the meaning of the word "marketable"? You're talking about people who are already "marketed". Do u work in marketing or have u ever worked in or studied marketing? Its not all about the here and now. Its about potential. You couldnt market a guy like Hargreaves r Vidic past a certain point. Hence they are not really marketable. You have to look and ask can the Beckham brand grow any more? I dont think it can, especially in Europe. Can the C. Ronaldo brand grow? You're damn right it can. It could be huge if he wins the Premiership, Champions League, Euro 2008, and World/European/PFA Player of the Year this year. All realistic possibilities. Then he could be HUGE. Then companies would be tripping over themselves to sponsor him.


Ronaldo now, is potentially a huge star if marketed correctly. This means that if the Glazers wanted to make a huge amount on him then if they used the right avenues and people then they could. Merchandise, image rights, gate receipts, sponsorship etc.


I laugh at the suggestion that the chances are stacked against it. What do you base that on? Ronaldo has everything you would need to market him into a worldwide star. He's a marketing employees wet dream (even the male ones ):


- the skills of a Ronaldinho etc who was marketed to huge proportions based on that. Would u be really shocked to see Ronnie in pepsi ads soon? I wouldnt.

- good looking, one of Beckhams main attributes from a marketing perspective.

- plays for Man United, thus guaranteed to be recognisable in markets such as the Asian one.

- Already one of the faces of Nike.

- Will probably mop up te awards this year which was what propelled Zidane/Ronaldinho into superstardom.

IrishMike

Boggles wrote: »

Ammm, we have 3 pages of debate currently on a tabloid story!

Good retort.
I dont know why i bother replying to your posts.
You pluck most of them from the sky it seems!

Xavi6

Boggles wrote: »

It was more than 6, what else can I base it on? I think 8 games is a good enough gauge on whether to rate a player or not. I'm sure players have been brought to clubs on less viewings than that.

Has Totti impressed you from what you have seen of him this season? Or have you seen him this season?

Considering I watch both Serie A and European competition then yes he has impressed. The same way he has done for over ten years.

Boggles wrote: »

I will watch him next season if I can and if he turns a corner, I will start a thread stating "Totti no longer Spent force" - Deal?

Ah so you ignore the facts from both last season and this in the hope that he may conform to your ideas next year? Fair enough.

Boggles

Xavi6 wrote: »

Considering I watch both Serie A and European competition then yes he has impressed.

Totti impressed you this year in Europe? You must be very easily impressed.

Xavi6

Boggles wrote: »

Totti impressed you this year in Europe? You must be very easily impressed.

*sigh*

You said he hasn't impressed overall in the few games you've seen him play. In general, over the 30-odd games he's played in all competitions he has impressed me. I never specified a competition.

Boggles

Xavi6 wrote: »

*sigh*

You said he hasn't impressed overall in the few games you've seen him play. In general, over the 30-odd games he's played in all competitions he has impressed me. I never specified a competition.

Boggles wrote: »

He scored one in Europe this Season. I have watched him 7 or 8 times in the last 12 months in europe and have not been impressed.

Boggles wrote: »

I don't watch the Italian league, so can't comment on that.

It was pretty clear I was talking about Europe.

Do you support Roma?

Xavi6

Boggles wrote: »

It was pretty clear I was talking about Europe.

Do you support Roma?

Look at my sig and you'll see who I support.

In your original post you made the statement that Totti is a spent force. That implies you think he's finished as a player. Correct? I don't see how it is possible to make such a sweeping comment having seen only a handful of the games he's played in.

Boggles

Xavi6 wrote: »

Look at my sig and you'll see who I support.

In your original post you made the statement that Totti is a spent force. That implies you think he's finished as a player. Correct? I don't see how it is possible to make such a sweeping comment having seen only a handful of the games he's played in.

Apologies I had sigs turned off. I see now you don't support Roma. It was not a handful of games it was 8 as I have already told you. 8 games in Europe which would be considered top flight and an excellent arena to gauge a player.

You said you have seen him play 30+ times this season, I have the channels that show Italian football and there is no way Roma have been on 30 times.

Have you been travelling to the matches?

Xavi6

Boggles wrote: »

Apologies I had sigs turned off. I see now you don't support Roma. It was not a handful of games it was 8 as I have already told you. 8 games in Europe which would be considered top flight and an excellent arena to gauge a player.

You said you have seen him play 30+ times this season, I have the channels that show Italian football and there is no way Roma have been on 30 times.

Have you been travelling to the matches?

Nope I stream. TVU player has them on every week pretty much.

Plus the stats don't lie. His goal ratio in general speaks for itself.

Look the whole argument is based around you making a ridiculous sweeping statement about a player then getting upset when you were questioned on it. 8 games is simply not enough to say a player is finished, especially when he has been excellent in those other games you haven't seen.

Boggles

Xavi6 wrote: »

Nope I stream. TVU player has them on every week pretty much.

Plus the stats don't lie. His goal ratio in general speaks for itself.

So you have seen Roma play 30+ Times this season? And you are not a Roma fan. Why such interest?

Stats can be very misleading to how a player is performing, you have already said you can't gauge a player on viewing 8 european matches but now your dismissing seeing someone play alltogether and relying on stats?

Xavi6

Boggles wrote: »

So you have seen Roma play 30+ Times this season? And you are not a Roma fan. Why such interest?

Stats can be very misleading to how a player is performing, you have already said you can't gauge a player on viewing 8 european matches but now your dismissing seeing someone play alltogether and relying on stats?

You can nit pick all you want to try deflect from your original silly statement but you're talking bollox about Totti being finished as a player and that's all that matters. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, once you know it's crap.