firewood

Qwerty?

Casinoking wrote: »

I saw half-tonne bags of split firewood for sale yesterday at €100/ea. Sounds expensive judging by what I'm reading here

What approx cubic meterage would a half tonne bag be?

Casinoking

Qwerty? wrote: »

What approx cubic meterage would a half tonne bag be?

I suppose there wouldn't be much more than a cubic metre in them

rokz

firewood wanted dry and seasoned drogheda area.........can pick up if required...thanks

allscape123

try allscape in dublin they have dry ash split wood they deliver and have it in their yard 015050013.was mjust in there today

rokz

will try them...later,got a load today but not very dry...they said it was...!,might use it for next year.

vanderbadger

have ordered a load of split timber from mccauley landscapers, in leitrim i think but deliver anywhere, hasnt arrived yet so jury out

dfbemt

vanderbadger wrote: »

have ordered a load of split timber from mccauley landscapers, in leitrim i think but deliver anywhere, hasnt arrived yet so jury out

Did you get your delivery? How's the wood? How much did you get and what price did you pay?

Lovely fire going here tonight :cool:

_mooneyboi_

i have lots of timber ash and beech would sell and deliver to anyone intrested in the tipperary, offaly limerick area!!

elenadomercq

Hi Sam,
Could you PM me with info on imported timber @ €56 p m3
Regards,
Elena
elenadomercq@gmail.com

reilig

Sorry to hijack the thread.
I have an opportunity to buy a lorry load of pulp wood that will be burned in my gasifying boiler after I saw it (no splitting). The lorry load is 25 ton. Approximately how many cubic meters would be in 25 ton??

I kow that there is a difference between wet and dry timber, but i'm just looking for an approximate figure. Or maybe someone can tell me what the average m3 a lorry would carry????

Would I be right in saying that there would be approximately 40 m3 in 25 ton of pulpwood that was freshly harvested?

hammer73

whats the dimensions of the trailer its coming in, work that out in metres, multiply them together and you have the m3 value. artic trailer is probably 40ft x 8ft x ? high, convert over to metric and thats the answer.

When you say pulpwood what do you mean, is it all split or is it shreaded?

reilig

hammer73 wrote: »

When you say pulpwood what do you mean, is it all split or is it shreaded?

Neither, its wood that would have been initially been planted for pulp wood. ie. Evergreen, Spruce etc. It comes in 3 meter lengths that are 10 to 35cm in diameter. I have a gasifying boiler so I intend to just saw them and stack them for seasoning - no chopping.

hammer73

sounds like a good plan, have you got the wood yet? Are the lengths heavy?

I was thinking of getting a load of wood from coillte myself but havent a loader to lift the wood around.

reilig

hammer73 wrote: »

sounds like a good plan, have you got the wood yet? Are the lengths heavy?

I was thinking of getting a load of wood from coillte myself but havent a loader to lift the wood around.

I haven't got the wood yet. I just spoke to the guy about it today. He quoted Eur 1000 approx. for a 25 ton load. I spoke to a guy this evening who said that there would be far more than 40 m3 in a 25 ton load. The logs are already seasoned, have been cut for a year. That's less than Eur 26 per cubic meter.

Logs that size can't be too heavy, I'll be able to lift them myself, and any that I can't lift I'll split in two with the chainsaw.

Still considering it though. If anyone has a cheaper way of getting a minimum of 10 ton of firewood, let me know.

hammer73

reilig wrote: »

Still considering it though. If anyone has a cheaper way of getting a minimum of 10 ton of firewood, let me know.

Have you tried tree surgeons? they might have a job on where they need wood shifted? Hardwood may be more expensive but will produce more heat.

reilig

hammer73 wrote: »

Have you tried tree surgeons? they might have a job on where they need wood shifted? Hardwood may be more expensive but will produce more heat.

I've tried about 10 of them. They're selling hardwood for between 70 and 100 euro per m3. When I can buy softwood at 25 euro per m3, it doesn't pay to buy hardwood at these prices.

hammer73

i agree. if you have tried that many surgeons and there is such a difference in price i would say get your cheque book out and get the pulpwood ordered!

Johnnyr

Originally Posted by reilig... I spoke to a guy this evening who said that there would be far more than 40 m3 in a 25 ton load. The logs are already seasoned, have been cut for a year. That's less than Eur 26 per cubic meter.

I'm not so sure about that advice you got Rellig. I think 40m3 is a bit optimistic. To convert from tonnes to cubic metre of fresh timber the conversion factor is 1.1, i.e. 1 t=1.1m3. Allowing for some drying out over the past year, this factor could be increased to 1.3. This means that your 25tonne would be equal to 32.5m3, which is €30.76 per m3.
Bearing in mind all the rain over the last year its hard to gauge the level of drying small diameter spruce/pine could achieve stacked in the open. Worse case if the conversion factor is left at 1.1, then the cost is €36 per m3, still not bad value if left to dry for a while in a shed.

Bitten & Hisses

Reilig, how do you reckon your boiler will perform on softwood as opposed to hardwood? I'll probably be installing a gasification boiler this year or next but most of the wood I have available at home is spruce and I was concerned that it mightn't be the best.

hammer73

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

Reilig, how do you reckon your boiler will perform on softwood as opposed to hardwood?

It depends if you have underfloor heating or rads. Rads use water at about 60 degrees where as underfloor heating uses water at 30 degrees. Therefore you need the boiler to work harder if you have rads than for underfloor.

I am just about to build a house and have gone with underfloor heating for that reason. Using oil initially but will eventually go with renewable energy which wont have the same calorific value as oil.

Hope this makes sense

reilig

Johnnyr wrote: »

I'm not so sure about that advice you got Rellig. I think 40m3 is a bit optimistic. To convert from tonnes to cubic metre of fresh timber the conversion factor is 1.1, i.e. 1 t=1.1m3. Allowing for some drying out over the past year, this factor could be increased to 1.3. This means that your 25tonne would be equal to 32.5m3, which is €30.76 per m3.
Bearing in mind all the rain over the last year its hard to gauge the level of drying small diameter spruce/pine could achieve stacked in the open. Worse case if the conversion factor is left at 1.1, then the cost is €36 per m3, still not bad value if left to dry for a while in a shed.

The wood I was offered has been stored in a shed for over 12 months.
There's a guy not far from me who is selling this type of wood. Its chopped and bagged. I saw where he weighed a truck load at a local weigh bridge a few weeks ago. He had 12 cubic meters on board and the load weighed just under 6 ton. It was wood from the same source that i will be buying from. He sold the load for €500. I'd be buying five times the weight of his load (all be it unprocessed) for approximately €1000.

EDIT: Are your conversion figures above not for hardwood???

CJhaughey

Johnnyr wrote: »

I'm not so sure about that advice you got Rellig. I think 40m3 is a bit optimistic. To convert from tonnes to cubic metre of fresh timber the conversion factor is 1.1, i.e. 1 t=1.1m3. Allowing for some drying out over the past year, this factor could be increased to 1.3. This means that your 25tonne would be equal to 32.5m3, which is €30.76 per m3.
Bearing in mind all the rain over the last year its hard to gauge the level of drying small diameter spruce/pine could achieve stacked in the open. Worse case if the conversion factor is left at 1.1, then the cost is €36 per m3, still not bad value if left to dry for a while in a shed.

I think you are correct Johnnyr
Whole logs take a very long time to dry, most of the drying occurs through the end grain and whole logs just don't dry in the summers and winters we have had for the last 3 yrs.
The MC would want to be below 20% or you are just wasting energy steaming the water out of the wood.
There was a Coford report about firewood and they said that it has to be stacked under cover to achieve any meaningful drying. short lengths <10cm dry the same whether they are split or not.
Considering Sitka has a MC of 65% when green it will have to come down a long way.
Seasoned Sitka should be around 450kg per m3

reilig

hammer73 wrote: »

It depends if you have underfloor heating or rads. Rads use water at about 60 degrees where as underfloor heating uses water at 30 degrees. Therefore you need the boiler to work harder if you have rads than for underfloor.

I am just about to build a house and have gone with underfloor heating for that reason. Using oil initially but will eventually go with renewable energy which wont have the same calorific value as oil.

Hope this makes sense

Hammer, that does not make sense, well it does if you have oil, but that's not how a log gasifying boiler works. The idea is that you light the boiler and get the heat in the boiler up as high as you can so that the water exiting the boiler is between 8o and 95 degrees. The boiler burns out the fuel at full burn and heats all the water. This water is then stored in the buffer tank. A circulation pump pumps the hot water from the buffer tank around your radiator circuit of underfloor heating circuit. As hot water exits the buffer tank, it goes through a mixing valve which mixes cooler water from the circuit with the hot water in order to have the water going through your heating circuit at the desired temperature. (30 degrees in your case). The boiler does not have to work any harder if there are rads. You want the boiler to work its hardest every time you light it in order to heat all the water in the buffer tank.

[/QUOTE] Originally Posted by Bitten & Hisses
Reilig, how do you reckon your boiler will perform on softwood as opposed to hardwood? [/QUOTE]

I have burned both over the last few months. Softwood gives about 30% less burn time than the ash that I have burned. But it lights up faster and heats the water at over 72 degrees (the laddomat opening temp) much sooner after lighting than ash does. So in relatave terms, Softwood gives about 20% less heat overall than hardwood. Softwood is far more plentyful and therefore is almost 50% cheaper than hardwood (well that's what I found anyway).

hammer73

reilig wrote: »

Hammer, that does not make sense, well it does if you have oil, but that's not how a log gasifying boiler works.

That makes sense all right, my understanding of the gassification boiler needed updating. all in all it looks like softwood at that price is fairly good value. The only thing is that the logs need to be good and dry (M/C less than 20%) before burning to get the best from them

ipod

i baught a artic load of softwood.i have a palix combi processor.but realy its alot of hard work.softwood realy drys fast if its split as soon as you get it.what i do is stack it in crates made from pallets.put lots of pallets on the floor and stack the wood on the top to let the air under the wood.

barrowheights

_mooneyboi_ wrote: »

i have lots of timber ash and beech would sell and deliver to anyone intrested in the tipperary, offaly limerick area!!

Mooneyboi could you contact me i would be very interested in finding out more about that timber you have. Ciaran 0879107385

ipod

i also have lots of firewood for sale and its realy dry.i can also deliver.

hammer73

ipod wrote: »

i also have lots of firewood for sale and its realy dry.i can also deliver.

where in the country are you and how much are you charging per cubic metre?

reilig

Just to say that it pays to ask around. I was offered an opportunity to cut firewood on land over the weekend. The land is going to be cleared in a few months time, its bog, and consists of mainly birch - some of them up to 18 inches in diameter. A couple of ash trees through it and a bit of smaller black sally through it. Enough to keep my boiler going for the next 2 years anyway. I'm doing the farmer a favour and he's doing me a big one.

hammer73

reilig wrote: »

Just to say that it pays to ask around. I was offered an opportunity to cut firewood on land over the weekend. The land is going to be cleared in a few months time, its bog, and consists of mainly birch - some of them up to 18 inches in diameter. A couple of ash trees through it and a bit of smaller black sally through it. Enough to keep my boiler going for the next 2 years anyway. I'm doing the farmer a favour and he's doing me a big one.

Fair Play, Looks like you landed on your feet there

Johnnyr

reilig wrote: »

Are your conversion figures above not for hardwood???

To convert from tonnes to cubic metre of fresh spruce the conversion factor is 1.1, i.e. 1 t=1.1m3. The conversion factor for oak is 0.94 and beech 0.97. Faster growing broadleaves like ash and sycamore, have expansion factors of 1.28 and 1.20, respectively.

All of the above is for fresh timber.

reilig

Johnnyr wrote: »

To convert from tonnes to cubic metre of fresh spruce the conversion factor is 1.1, i.e. 1 t=1.1m3. The conversion factor for oak is 0.94 and beech 0.97. Faster growing broadleaves like ash and sycamore, have expansion factors of 1.28 and 1.20, respectively.

All of the above is for fresh timber.

Jasus,,, I thought fresh cut oak and beech weighs far far heavier than fresh cut spruce -like almost twice. Fresh cut oak and beech weighs much heavier than fresh cut ash anyway. I can tell you that from experience.

The_Conductor

Johnny- where did you get the conversion factors from?
Just curious......

Johnnyr

reilig wrote: »

Jasus,,, I thought fresh cut oak and beech weighs far far heavier than fresh cut spruce -like almost twice. Fresh cut oak and beech weighs much heavier than fresh cut ash anyway. I can tell you that from experience.

The conversion factors are from the British Forestry Commission. So you can take it they won't be far off.

Johnnyr

smccarrick wrote: »

Johnny- where did you get the conversion factors from?
Just curious......

Forestry Commission Booklet No. 39
Foret Mensuration (aka the blue book)
Page 39 in the 1975 edition

reilig

Johnnyr wrote: »

The conversion factors are from the British Forestry Commission. So you can take it they won't be far off.

Thanks, its good to know. As I said, I don't know much about it.

The_Conductor

Johnnyr wrote: »

Forestry Commission Booklet No. 39
Foret Mensuration (aka the blue book)
Page 39 in the 1975 edition

Haven't dug my copy out in a while- I should have guessed though

Cheers,

Shane

stackerman

Hi all, sorry to jump onto thread
Would anyone know of a good supplier of seasoned logs in the west Dublin or Kildare area ? May also be interested in uncut timer, so I can process myself for another year.
Many thanks in advance

stackerman

Anyone ?

kuro_man

I recently got some hardwood logs delivery from www.turftimber.com, based in allenwood. Burns well.

ipod

firewood for next winter.

Indubitable

i get my firewood from trees.

Casinoking

kingofthe3rdyrs wrote: »

i get my firewood from trees.

A radical new concept, you should patent it immediately!

Indubitable

Casinoking wrote: »

A radical new concept, you should patent it immediately!

I will do so tomorrow morning

RoryZ

Hi is there any one in North Cork / Mallow have any wood they need to get rid of ,its just for my fire throw the winter cant Afford to buy....
Kind regards Rory.

Tora Bora

RoryZ wrote: »

Hi is there any one in North Cork / Mallow have any wood they need to get rid of ,its just for my fire throw the winter cant Afford to buy....
Kind regards Rory.

And would you be needing matches and firelighters as well ......... :cool:

$kilkenny

i can point you in the right direction for split firewood in the south east,my uncle does it and i do abit although im 15, anything needed either of us can provide,split timber soft and harwood,car trailer,12x6 or tractor loads,bags to shops and tonne bags

RoryZ

Sound great to me, any type of wood will be appreciated at start, I might get car trailer for a weekend to make it done. Is it any way I could contact you?

pollyfolley

ipod wrote: »

i have lots of ash for sale and softwood..

What quantity and what price?

haybob

Lads whats the story with soft wood as firewood