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Here is another one, during 2012 we may protest for the freedom of Falkland, and the next US Olympic, we may protest for the freedom of Hawaii, here is the fact:
Falkland, 300 miles from Argentina, 8,000 miles from England,
Hawaii, 2,000 miles from North America,
And the history of indepence of those were all from your own creditable source, wiki.
Does that mean, whoever invades a place it become his? So, just say the Chinese invaded Tibet in 1959, by your western logic Tibet is justified to be part of China then, let alone Tibet was alway part of China.
Go to the Falklands and ask them who they'd want to be ruled by. They won't be begging for independence.
Go to Hawaii and ask them who they want to be ruled by. They won't be begging for independence.
Go to Tibet and ask them who they want to be ruled by (but make sure you do it in secret
). Wanna guess what the answer will be? (I'll give you a hint: it's not the same as the Falklands and Hawaii!).
Now here's a little gem:If the western is doing wrong, don't criticise others until correct your own act, that's mutual respect.
Who exactly is Ireland oppressing? Or do we have to speak for all western countries. Sure why not speak for all countries then. Can I now speak for China?0 -
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Go to the Falklands and ask them who they'd want to be ruled by. They won't be begging for independence.
Go to Hawaii and ask them who they want to be ruled by. They won't be begging for independence.
Go to Tibet and ask them who they want to be ruled by (but make sure you do it in secret ). Wanna guess what the answer will be? (I'll give you a hint: it's not the same as the Falklands and Hawaii!).
Have u ever being to China?
Have u ever being to the Tibet Autonomous Region?
If not, i suggest u need to pay a visit there, b4 u speak.
i lived in China for many yrs, and i had 1 Tibetan classmate.
he told me that 95% of the people are against the Independant movement in Tibet.
Why?
1. Tibatan do Not need to pay any income tax in the TAR, and the famers receive tax-free leases of land.
The Central Gov in Beijing pays 90% of the expense of the TAR's gov.
if Tibet become a country, where would its gov obtain its revenue from?
do u think tibetan would still pay no income taxes?
do u think they would be happy to pay taxes?
Tibet Through Chinese Eyes
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199902/tibet-china/2
2. frankly speaking, Han, Hui and Tibetan are not treated equally, minorty groups in CHINA are treated more favourablely.
the 1 child policy does not apply to Tibatan and Hui, it only applies to han people.
Tibetan are entilted to have more statutory hoildays than Han.
Tibetan secoundary students who set their Uni entrance exams are given extra points.
3. the Central Gov had spend billians on improving infrasturtures and other facilities in TAR,
the average life expextancy of tibetan rose form 36 years (1950's figure) to 65 years (1990)
the poor and the olderly are properly looked after.
where b4 the Dalai's Gov was in control, there were Slavery, no one cared about the poor people.
do u think the tibetan want to go back to live in a feudalism world?
The Life of a Tibetan Slave
http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/tibet/tibetsd.htm
4. tibet and han had being a family for many years.
5. since the liberation of tibet,
for the 1st time in Tibet history, ordinary residents of tibet could have a say in its gov.
Local elections in Tibet
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/monitoring/36651.stm
do u think the majority of tibetan want to go back to the religous dectator?0 -
Go to Tibet and ask any Tibetan if they want to be free of China. They'll all say no because they are afraid to speak out against China. Freedoms are being clamped down on. This isn't right, in any country. I honestly don't see how you can say that it is. And it's insane how much deflection is going on: "Well America/Britain/France is worse, so China is grand." Then the constantly referring to a Buddhist monk as a dictator to paint him as a villain. There are much better arguments you could make.
Stop blindly backing a corrupt government, there's no reason to. Think about what is right and what is wrong. Should every one be equal, or should the few look down on the many? The whole point of the Olympics is to bring people together, to create a spirit of unity and equality. So how can these games be held in a county who's government spits in the face of this goal?
Every country has problems with their governments (I'd say Ireland has more problems than most
), but we can do something about it. We don't have to just point out flaws in other governments to try and make ourselves look better. That achieves nothing.do u think the majority of tibetan want to go back to the religous dectator?
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Go to Tibet and ask any Tibetan if they want to be free of China. They'll all say no because they are afraid to speak out against China. .
ask them in privte, if u think they will not speak the truth openly.
as u have said in ur post prevoiusly.make sure you do it in secret
what freedom?Freedoms are being clamped down on. This isn't right, in any country. I honestly don't see how you can say that it is.
rioters are not freedom fighters
no gov would allow riots .
Stop blindly backing a corrupt government, there's no reason to. Think about what is right and what is wrong. Should every one be equal, or should the few look down on the many?
i agree there are many offcials in the Chinses Gov are corrupters, so are the rest of the world,
[mod snip]
from most Chinese i know, they dislike the corruption in the Gov, but many are still supporting the Gov, because corruption is unavoidable in any types of gov.
plus, it is a fact that
the Chinese Gov did alot of good things for the Tibetan people.
1 question for u
when dalai was in power
did he do anything or make a tinny effort to free the slaves in Tibet?
did he spend much money on improving the life of ordinary Tibetan?
Video by Monarex Hollywood Corp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY
http://www.monarex.com/chinacol.htm
all of a sudden,
after he fled to India in 1959, he became a good guy in ur eyes?!
he is an human right supporter now?
this is the greatest Irony in the last 2 centurys
extracted from http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A34385367In 1965, 80 industrial enterprises were established in Tibet. Employing close to 10,000 workers, they covered the building, power, motor vehicle repair, lumber, tanning, borax and coal industries. The total industrial output value reached 28.83 million yuan that year. The government has paid close attention to the development of the national handicrafts. In 1965, it had widened to encompass 33 trades and its total annual output value rose from 1.24 million yuan before the Democratic Reform to 8.9 million yuan, showing a 7.2-fold rise. Tibet was short of petroleum and coal, and energy supply was inadequate in the past. To change the situation, a power station was built in Lhasa in 1956. It was the first public power enterprise in Tibet. Tibet is rich in geothermal resources and the state invested in building a geothermal power station in Yangbajain with the biggest generating capacity in China. In 1991, the installed power generating capacity of Tibet reached 140,000 kw and the annual output of generated electricity came to 400 million kwh. After 40 years of construction, Tibet boasts a dozen or so modern industries such as power, mining, building materials, lumber, wool textile, printing and food. Employees of state-owned enterprises total 51,000. In 1991, the total industrial output value came to 403 million yuan, a rise of 5.3 times that of 1959. The output value of the handicrafts stood at 46 million yuan.
Tibet had no regular highways in the past. After the peaceful liberation of Tibet, the first large-scale construction project was to build highways from Sichuan and Qinghai to Lhasa on the high mountain ridges with an average elevation of 3,000 meters. The Sichuan-Tibet Highway is 2,413 km long and the Qinghai-Tibet Highway 2,122 km long. Since then, the Xinjiang-Tibet, Yunnan-Tibet and China-Nepal highways have been built one after another. Currently, there are 15 arterial highways and 315 feeder roads, with a total length of 21,842 km, throughout Tibet. Except for Medog County which is located deep in the mountains, highways provide access to all the counties and 77 percent of the townships in Tibet. A highway network, with Lhasa at the center, consisting mainly of the Qinghai-Tibet, Sichuan-Tibet, Yunnan-Tibet and China-Nepal highways, has taken shape. In order to solve Tibet's fuel supply problem, the state allocated funds to build a refined oil transmission pipeline from Golmud in Qinghai Province to Lhasa. This 1,080-km-long pipeline has played an important role in guaranteeing energy supplies for Tibet in its economic construction. To meet Tibet's need to open to the outside world, since the start of an air route from Lhasa to Beijing in 1956, domestic airlines have offered services from Lhasa to Chengdu, Xian, Lanzhou, Shanghai and Guangzhou. International air links have been inaugurated between Lhasa and Kathmandu, Nepal.
Modern science and technology did not exist in old Tibet. The period since the Democratic Reform has seen the establishment of agricultural, animal husbandry, communications, power, construction, geological, water conservancy, meteorological, public health, pharmaceutical and educational research institutions in Tibet. They have trained Tibetan scientific and technical personnel. The Academy of Social Sciences of the Tibet Autonomous Region was set up in 1985. Currently, Tibet has 17 special scientific research institutions with 26,900 technical personnel. Over the past 40 years, 347 scientific and technological achievements have been awarded prizes at the autonomous regional level. Of these, 21 scientific research achievements such as "the comprehensive development and utilization of solar energy resources in Tibet" have been honored by state prizes.
The snowy peaks, famous monasteries and relics of historical interest on the Tibetan Plateau have attracted many adventurers and tourists from other countries. In opening up, Tibet's tourism industry has gradually flourished. At present, Tibet has 11 travel agencies and 19 tourist hotels and guesthouses with 3,600 beds for foreign guests. The autonomous region has opened over 60 scenic spots to the public. Between 1980 and 1991, Tibet received 150,900 overseas tourists.
Due to efforts made in the past 40-odd years the living standards of the Tibetan people have improved markedly. Most farmers and herdsmen have adequate food and clothing and some have attained relative affluence. In 1991, the average net income of farmers and herdsmen in the region was 455 yuan. Allowing for price increases, the figure was 2.6 times higher than the 159 yuan of 1979. In the Zholgyur Village, Yadong County at the foot of the Himalayas, the annual income of the 75 households was 361,600 yuan in 1986 and 74 households have built new dwellings. The per-capita income of residents in cities and towns is 2,120 yuan a year, 3.3 times higher than in 1981. By the end of 1991, savings deposits of city and township residents totalled 492.4 million yuan, over 500 times more than in 1959. Farmers and herdsmen have obtained considerable amount of means of production. Each household owns 6,021 yuan worth of fixed assets for production purposes and 75 head of cattle. For every 100 households, there are nine motor vehicles, six tractors, three power-driven threshers, and 12 horse-drawn carts. The average per-capita material consumption of farmers and herdsmen has increased enormously compared with the period before the liberation of Tibet. In 1991, the per-capita consumption of grain was 183.6 kg. Other figures were 3.6 kg for edible oil, 14.7 kg for meat and 50 kg for milk. While retaining their traditional diet, Tibetans have expanded it to also include more vegetables, eggs, wine, sweets and pastries. The living conditions of the people have improved markedly. According to statistics produced by the local government of old Tibet, of a population of 1 million in Tibet in 1950, some 900,000 lacked real housing. Currently, except for the pastoral areas, all households have fixed housing. In 1991, the per-capita floor space of city and township residents reached 13.7 square meters. In Gyangze County of Xigaze Prefecture, which has a population of 56,700, over 80 percent have moved into new dwellings, with a per-capita floor space of 40 square meters. The traditional way of life of the Tibetan people has been somewhat modernized. A sample survey shows that for every 100 urban households, there are 212 bicycles, 88 color televisions, 84 radio cassette recorders, 42 washing machines, 24 refrigerators and 26 cameras. The construction of various cultural facilities has increasingly enriched the ethical outlook and cultural life of Tibetan people.
Due to Tibet's extremely harsh natural conditions and its extremely backward social development in history, the level of economic development and the living standards of the people are still lower than the nation's average. In 1989, the government of Tibet Autonomous Region formulated the Strategic Ideas for the Economic and Social Development of Tibet. It has implemented the policy of opening up to the rest part of China and the outside world as well; exploring the regional, domestic and foreign markets; developing advantageous resources and stepping up development of key areas and key industries. The goal is to narrow as soon as possible the gap in economic development between Tibet and other areas of the nation in order to lay a solid foundation for the common prosperity of Tibetan and other ethnic groups.0 -
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Go to the Falklands and ask them who they'd want to be ruled by. They won't be begging for independence.
Go to Hawaii and ask them who they want to be ruled by. They won't be begging for independence.
Go to Tibet and ask them who they want to be ruled by (but make sure you do it in secret ). Wanna guess what the answer will be? (I'll give you a hint: it's not the same as the Falklands and Hawaii!).
Now here's a little gem:
Who exactly is Ireland oppressing? Or do we have to speak for all western countries. Sure why not speak for all countries then. Can I now speak for China?
Somebody above pointed out to speak with proof, where do you get the idea of people in Hawaii or Falkland will not beg for independence, where is your proof then. The message I am trying to confer is that in our belief, the integrity of our motherland has the highest priority, even higher than Human rights if needed to. That's how much we will fight for. China will never tolerate and give any part to the British government not like some country did.
Let's focus on this point, do a survey here if you like in your way as a vote, ask as many Chinese as you like include the tibetans, if your rule is majority wins, then the vast majority will prefer China's Integrity than Human rights issue, simply because if you do nothing wrong in China, you won't be jailed or tortured, the Chinese government are not as crazy as your media portrayed. If you ask proof for this, you must have missed the protest on Saturday.0
:)haha
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